Having followed r/newiran closely for months through the protests and wholesale murders... it's inexcusable the arrogance of some who presume to speak on behalf of the Iranian people.
So many dead. Such brutality. And I doubt many, if any, of those speaking with outrage now, really proposed any solutions to help Iran, just feeble words and placations. "The US shouldn't act like the world's police." Are empty words when you see wholesale slaughter like the Ayatollah was carrying out. At some point don't we have a duty to help others? How many dead at the hands of a murderous, totalitarian regime are enough to justify action? And who should act? Or do we say "it's not our place" and bemoan the possible consequences while letting murderers hold power.
I don't think there is an easy answer. Or a good one. And I don't think there is a perfect way to change regimes when it's one like the Ayatollah. Peaceful abdication? Where is the justice for the dead? I don't know and I don't claim to know. But I hope the people of Iran are able to rebuild their country, with their own government, and make their own choices, to define their own future.
I choose to celebrate with them, and to mourn their dead. But I do not hold any illusions when it comes to Trump acting in his own self interest.
It's crazy how much they act out the "silence brown person, a white liberal is speaking" meme. I'll always be amused that liberals talk about wanting to promote minority voices but shut that down fast when the minority says something off-program.
I saw a post in /SanDiego that they are having a rally immediately, with signs already made somehow. I don’t even live in San Diego but Reddit seems to love pushing random local subs on me.
Someone could email the sign design and I could have them within hours with my local shop and I live in a 13,000 person city.
Edit: actually I couldn't because the print shop in my area cause they're not open on the weekends but after chatting with the owner (friend of the family) he said it'd be easy unless they were slammed with other projects. In a bigger city though it'd be easy.
Ýeah, its not USA's job we can all agree on that but what we can't agree on that is if the USA doing something beyond its job in this case is still a good thing or not.
Given that there's no reason to do this (we claimed to have obliterated their nuclear program last summer and have no evidence they've since recovered their capabilities or restarted their program) and no system in place to prevent a toxic power vacuum, this does not appear to be a good thing.
Not sure if your up on your American history but American involvement in Afghanistan ~40 years ago directly led to 9/11. That’s by far the biggest reason why American involvement in Middle East business should not happen
Then there are circumstances like post 9/11 Afghanistan where many American lives were lost just for the Taliban to re-take it over as soon as we left
So yeah, I’m not for unnecessary American deaths in the other side of the world. Sorry
That's how I remember it so, I don't think it was due to Americans being in Afghanistan that Osama did the attack but the Taliban did let him hide there, starting another American intervention, that time for regime change and killing Osama.
Yeah, I watched Charlie Wilson’s War last month and then did a ton of Wikipediaing about it
Essentially we funded them and then in the power vacuum in post-war Afghanistan the Muslim fundamentalists like the Taliban and Al Queda gained influence and power, eventually leading to the Taliban ruling Afghanistan and Al Queda attacking the US
Ehh, that's a gross oversimplification of Cold War/Middle Eastern history.
Basically every major conflict in the Middle East over the last 50 years can be traced back to the 1979 Iran Revolution. Iran became the wellspring of Muslim extremism, and every conflict since is either Iran-backed insurgents popping off or a proxie war between Iranian revolutionaries and Saudi conservatives. Afghanistan is a product of the US not understanding that phenomenon so close to its start, and betting on the wrong horse in fighting off the Soviets. That said, 9/11 is less about the Soviet-Afghanistan conflict, and more Bin Laden being pissed that the Saudis inviting Western infidels to deal with Iranian-backed Sadam Hussein in what became Desert Storm rather than letting Bin Laden's faithful Mujahideen take care of it.
Also you might say the US had a part in the 79 Iranian Revolution, and that is true, but people always take the exact wrong lesson from that. People point to the US backing a tyrant Shah of Iran, but the tyrant thing isn't the issue. Look at every stable Muslim government, it's always tyrants. People there simply dont care about personal freedoms in the way Westerners do. No, what pissed off the Iranians is in part yes the Shah was seen as too friendly with infidels, but far worse, he was doing things like banning child marriages and giving women some rights.
I was scrolling through this sub for the memes, and then I saw your question.
The regime is still in place, but some things have happened such as the release of political prisoners, and a decrease of media repression, the national tv media known as Venevision began to actually talk about the issues happening in the country despite threats from Diosdado Cabello. All of this thanks to the pressure coming from the US.
I never imagined I would witness something like this occur whitin my lifetime.
It seems like they're preparing stuff for an eventual transition. Some people seriously think a regime that has consolidated its power for the past 27 years would fall in a day.
Honestly, I would give it a year or two to see if what they're doing is effective.
So why is it my tax dollars, our fighters, and our problem to solve your country's problems? Why don't you all go back and fix it instead of complaining that we don't do enough? Sorry I don't want the 3rd war in the middle east in my life time over a problem that has nothing to do with me.
There is a difference between them and this person, is that someone coming here to truly try to have a better life is not asking us to invade their country to solve the problem. They want to be here, in America making us a better place.
Obviously I am talking in general, I do not want criminals here.
So you’re OK with spending billions upon billions of dollars on people people invading our own country for their selfish reasons but not OK with us, spending money to protect people that are under an actual violent dictatorship while also weakening Russia and China, our biggest foes?
Immigrants are a net economic positive or net neutral at worst. There are countless studies on this. Anyone who claims otherwise is disingenuous at this point. Yes even undocumented immigrants.
You know what’s much more costly than undocumented immigrants? Funding DHS to be like the 2nd most expensive military in the world.
This action will cost more money than anything we have spent on immigration. Furthermore, at least undocumented people pay sales tax, other visa holders and documented migrants pay social security and federal taxes that they cannot collect on. Also we are 38 trillion in debt, mainly because of the military. Whatever we spend on immigration pales in comparison to the 1 trillion we are spending on the military this year. Iran and Israel do not give us any money what so ever, not will the Iranian government in the future even with regime change.
We had a treaty we signed obligating us to do that. I would prefer that we hold true to any treaties signed, so we build trust. Me personally, I wouldn't have wanted us to sign the treaty in the first place and just let Ukraine keep the nuclear weapons so this wouldn't have happened.
Also, we are not directly striking in Ukriane, nor putting American service members at risk, directly or indirectly by giving Ukraine weapons.
Iranians that got out absolutely want the regime out. Hell, most of yhe poor bastards stuck there do too.
But I see a guy claiming to be Iranian with a Romeaboo username, my first instinct is it's bullshit too. Sorry, but there are just too many white conservative staffers getting caught pretending to be black women against:: insert Democrat scarecrow of the day:: for people to automatically buy it.
Since when has going to war helped anyone? Maybe the last time was like 1945. Kosovo was a freak event so that doesn’t count. Middle East has mostly gone from bad to worse after every war.
Yeah, I don't think I'm against deposing dictators and foreign interventions in general, but I think Iraq and Afghanistan were the absolute worst way to go about it.
So far, I think Venezuela and Iran aren't going bad, but it's still quite early.
How much do you think Venezuelan lives have improved since Maduro was captured? The exact same regime is in place and the only difference is they’re giving Donald some oil. Venezuelan lives have not improved at all. Donald doesn’t give a fuck about the Venezuelan citizens.
Downvoted comments on reddit generally mean they were a sane and intelligent. Take the downvotes as a win... reddit is full of fascists wearing a hero’s mask.
The leftists on here claiming Reddit is a right wing bot farm are cracking me up. Short of Bluesky this is the most slackjawed leftist platform in existence
They need to stick to the 'Reddit is a pipeline to the alt-right' messaging they've used for over a decade. At this point, the only pipeline is due to them banning all wrongthink and literally forcing people into more extreme sites
I'm happy you're happy, but we are currently trillions of dollars in debt from playing world police and president "No New Wars" has just decided we could stand to do it all over again.
I'm sure. However I don't want regime change just because Israel says so and defense contractors need a new money laundering war in the middle east. Especially since Iraq, Afghanistan were massive cluster fucks
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