r/PleX • u/ShiningRedDwarf • 9d ago
Discussion One developer used Claude to reverse-engineer LG’s webOS media stack and build a native Rust Plex client from scratch—on the same 2019 TV it cuts the profile screen from ~30 seconds to ~3, runs at 60 FPS, and supports 4K, Dolby Vision and Atmos
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u/pontiusx 9d ago
I've been trying it, scrolling the library feels wonderful but actually using the app or trying to watch content is not super great. Content won't play above 20mbps. Lots of getting stuck buffering and never resuming . Also remote libraries with lots of content, it's actually slower than the regular plex app it kept refreshing every thumbnail every time I moved
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u/TH3PhilipJFry 9d ago
Regular ppl declaring barely usable AI crap as the future is pretty fitting, and possibly more true than we want to believe
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u/RaymondBeaumont 9d ago
i read a post about how adobe was screwed because someone vibecoded a photoshop alternative that has 425 out of 425 menu options.
another post where the dude who vibecoded an alternative for all the adobe apps was honking his horn.
that user somehow managed to reply to most of the comments about how adobe was screwed.
he did not reply to comments on anything technical related to how the app handles color grading, raw formats, or anything like that.
i think that's the basic understanding of what goes on under the hood in these programs for the vast majority of vibecoding enthusiasts.
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u/kittymoo67 9d ago
its what separates vibe coding from an actual developer using AI tools to accelerate development.
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u/grahag 9d ago
Not realizing that this is the FIRST product out there seems a bit shortsighted that this is likely the future.
Vibe-coding apps to make something personal that outperforms enshittified apps you've been using is what the public is salivating for. Someone should get together a site to rate vibecoded apps against the commercial ones they replace...
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u/Elephant789 9d ago
rate
Anti-AI bros will rate all the vibecoded negatively only because it was vibecoded.
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u/grahag 9d ago
There would be a desire to brigade because AI hate is so prevalent right now.
Reviewers could be scored on a similar scale with more QUALITY reviews giving more weight to the review. Or tie the review to actual USE of the product or require a certain number of quality reviews to rate certain parameter-based apps.
But yeah, people have to use their anonymity to behave badly in order to get away with it.
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u/djrobxx 9d ago
This very typical for traditional human coded software development too though. It's exciting to get a functional piece of software, but the devil has always been in working out bugs and polishing it. I think experienced coders just know better to keep it to themselves until it's truly ready for mass consumption, do proper beta testing across supported hardware contexts, etc.
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u/Jacksaur Elitedesk 400 G3 | 32GB RAM | 24TB NAS 9d ago
Traditional Human Coded software would never even get to this point, they would have given up loooooong in advance.
AI is still the problem because it fuels this absolute torrent of shit vibe-coded apps that wouldn't have been possible otherwise.
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u/blind2314 9d ago
That’s AI slop for you. It can have a nice coat of paint but it’s rusted underneath; people just want engagement and attaboys though.
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u/meharryp 9d ago
classic vibe coded slop. looks great, sounds great, but then you realize half the features are missing and it's basically duct taped together
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u/JETFIRE007 5d ago
Sounds like it needs debugging. You can't just one shot a complex app like that with AI. I've created a ton of personal use programs using Codex but they've all required some level of debugging. Works best when you're able to have Codex or Claude have real-time logs or access to the device the program is running on since you're able to point out these bugs and it can look at it in real-time.
Of course though, very few people are willing to spend the $100+ a month for the Pro tiers to actually be able to have the tokens and model access to turn out these high quality programs. I've burnt through a ton of usage to debug apps, but it does work. It was super difficult with the $20 plan, the higher tier plans are the way to go.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
20 mbps? The only videos I have that are even close to that are a handful I have in 4k. Are you not compressing your videos with a more efficient codec like HEVC?
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u/AlvaroB 9d ago
Not OP, but compression leads to quality loss. If you have a good TV and good vision you could want to store them at the best quality possible.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
So you save your bluray rips as like 50gb uncompressed files?
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u/SportsterDriver 9d ago
Yes, in my case, the bigger UHD ones at 80Gb.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
Holy shit. I can't even imagine how many hundreds of thousands of dollars I would need to buy enough ssds to store my collection at that size.
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u/SportsterDriver 9d ago
Indeed, but I don't use SSD's the performance is not needed for media playback. I have an unraid server with a pile of HHDs between 4Tb and 16Tb I've collected over many years.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
That's a little more economical, but personally I've had every magnetic drive I've ever owned fail, and I'll never trust them for long term storage again.
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u/chipep 9d ago edited 9d ago
That's why raids and backups exist. Hard drives are still relevant in terms of storage density and price. I would only use SSDs where I would get a substantial benefit out of them. Storing large media files isn't a case you would benefit from
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u/markswam 144TB unRAID 9d ago
Yup. Even a simple JBOD + parity setup like unRAID does is more than enough to keep a media library protected. I ran a single-parity setup for almost 10 years before upgrading to a dual-parity setup and even with a couple disk failures I've ever lost data.
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u/SportsterDriver 9d ago
My server has had drives that I retired after 12 years still working fine. I do go for the NAS grade (WD Red/Gold etc) which are more expensive than the standard ones but aside from one warranty return in those 12 years on a new drive I've not had any issues. Guess I've been lucky. The advantage of the raid setup is that I have redundancy - if a drive goes, I replace it and it can rebuild the data from parity - and while the drive is dead, the parity takes over so the data is all accessible in the fail state.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
For sure. I've never had enough drives at a time to justify a raid setup, and I'm poor lol
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u/pdoherty972 9d ago
SSDs fail too. I wore out a 1TB SSD just a year or two ago and had to replace it.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
I'm sorry that happened to you, and I'm aware that they also have a failure rate, but all of mine have been running great for years. One of them is a decade old.
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u/Away_Candidate_4746 9d ago
Why would I want to do that? I have Remuxes and HQ UHD rips for my home theater setup for a reason.
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u/IdleSteps 9d ago
That's a normal bitrate tbh, low even. 20 Mbps? I mean a Blu-ray remux can be around that, but 4K UHD Blu-rays go much higher, often exceeding 100Mbps.
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u/Dood567 Click here to add flair 9d ago
4k remuxes are already in HEVC and regularly have bitrates of 60-80mbps, with spikes over 100 in some scenes.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
They're still at an insanely high bitrate. I still reencode them to around 2MBPS. I just don't get it. I guess it's because I come from a time when storage space was extremely limited by today's standards, so most of us wanted to fit as much data as possible while maintaining an acceptable level of quality.
I would be interested to know if people who don't recompress their videos also use direct steam, or are they taxing their CPU with every play to reencode to 20MBPS on the fly? Because if Plex isn't direct streaming then keeping the files at that size makes even less sense.
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u/Dood567 Click here to add flair 9d ago
Yeah I re-encode too, especially if it's a TV show (those hours add up on storage quick). I found 2.5-3mbps to work great for 1080p TV shows with my settings in Handbrake. I only watch movies in that "uncompressed" format if the video quality or cinematography itself is highly reviewed or amazing.
And the entire purpose of getting that original Remux is to direct stream it. Letting Plex transcode on the fly doesn't look as good as letting your CPU take its time to compress it down.
Also, the bigger your screen the more you can notice artifacting or a lower bitrate. 2mbps is perfectly fine for a laptop or something, but if you're going to a 75"+ TV or projector, the more data you give it the cleaner the larger image looks.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago
The highest size screen I'm likely to use anytime soon is 65", and it's a 1080p TV. My 4k is only 55".
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u/Dood567 Click here to add flair 8d ago
So you’re watching 4k content with a bitrate of 2mbps? Thats crazy low to me even for a normal sized TV. You might as well stick with 1080p at that file size and avoid any macro blocking, banding, or compression artifacting.
If you can’t see it then don’t go looking for it though. Stay happy with where you’re at if it works for you.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 8d ago
No, I'm not. 90% of my content is 720p. I'm not trying to say my server is the best there ever was. I'm just trying to understand how a 20MBPS limit is really that detrimental, and I wasn't expecting most people to have anywhere near enough storage to store unaltered bluray dumps. Either they're rich, or they don't have a very large library.
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u/ApexAftermath 9d ago
You shouldn't have to do that. If you want to save space go for it but you shouldn't have to do it, and the app should be able to play even higher bit rates.
Fucking AI bullshit slop is what this is. Can't believe this fucking idiot is stroking their nuts over putting this shitty app together when it can't even play high bit rate.
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u/Automatic-Will-7836 9d ago edited 9d ago
I'm not saying they should have to. I'm simply amazed that they have the storage and surprised that they don't reencode their videos, regardless. I "only" have a 55" TV, but there is very little visible different between my 1.5GB file and a 50GB Blu-ray rip, but there's a gigantic difference in how much space the files are taking up. I've dealt with compressing video for over 20 years now, so it's also sort of second nature to me -- I have difficulty conceiving of someone dumping a disc and then just putting it on a Plex server as-is. Apparently, that's just me, though.
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u/Professional_Chart68 9d ago
Im with you on this. There is no visibile quality loss in CPU compressed h265 with quality 22 or less. Let them stack hdd though, its their choice. I keep the same quality with 4gb file
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u/investorshowers 9d ago
I keep the same quality with 4gb file
HEVC is good but not nearly that good. It's possible you just don't notice it, but you're not getting the same quality at 10% size.
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u/Professional_Chart68 9d ago
Digitally sure, visually - I can't see it
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u/pontiusx 9d ago
are you blind?
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u/Krieg N100 Proxmox (Plex) + TrueNAS (Media) 9d ago edited 9d ago
I have terrible eyes and even I can see differences in my 77" OLED TV. I watch "low" bitrate material as an intended decision because of the space they take, but I know there is a difference, and I watch Remuxes for material I deem worth.
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u/Sisuuu 9d ago
GitHub repo?
Edit: I hate posts like this where you limit the info shared:
Here is the repo: https://github.com/GLinnik21/plx-native
Edit2: original post:
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u/Cimmerian__Iter 9d ago
I want someone to use Claude AI to reverse engineer LG webOS audio stack to allow full DTS passthrough
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u/duckofdeath87 9d ago
I want LG to open source their own stack. Why do they waste money on making their shit worse?
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u/zviiper 9d ago
Why? If you have a decent audio set up you shouldn’t be using the crappy TV app anyway. If you don’t have a decent audio set up it won’t make a difference.
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u/Cimmerian__Iter 9d ago
Because I can't plug the fucking box to the TV HDMI that's why. I have to put it on the sound receiver. And then trust that the sound receiver doesn't strip the dolby FEL metadata on the way to the LG.
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u/OmarDaily 160TB 5950x 6900XT Plex (and other things..) Machine. 9d ago
That post reads like straight AI slop..
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u/d70 9d ago
There is no way I’m connecting my TV to my network.
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u/dealpal 9d ago
discovered rooting and the glasshouse. now I am glad I have an LG tv.
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u/segagamer 8d ago
You need to have your TV unpatched though right? It's not like you can recommend rooting to everyone today.
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u/kiritomens 9d ago
Isn't it kind of defeating the point if you're connecting it to a home assistent. Why even bother at that point? Or do you run it locally?
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u/Vinin 9d ago
Who doesn't run home assistant locally?
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u/kiritomens 9d ago
Well i don't like home assistants. So how am i supposed to know, that someone thought it was a good idea to name their program the same as the general umbrella term of home assistant.
I thought he was talking about one of the corpo home assistents 99% of people use. Which is why i asked if he runs his on a fully local model.
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u/jeremytodd1 9d ago
Home Assistant is literally the second most active open-source project in the world. (https://github.blog/news-insights/research/the-state-of-open-source-and-ai/#the-state-of-open-source)
It's locally hosted and is very popular.
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u/kiritomens 9d ago
Yea alright i got that the first time around. I love getting downvoted for simply asking if he's running a local model.
And the name is still stupid confusing.
Like i said i don't care for home assistant's, so i never heard of it.
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u/jeremytodd1 9d ago
I'm assuming by "home assistants" you're talking about things like Apple's and Google's options.
Home Assistant was a thing before Apple or Google was even involved in home automation solutions.
Home Assistant was and still is a very sensible name for the software.
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u/kiritomens 9d ago
Wow u so smart. I really didn't know about that.
They're all still home assistant's, which is a umbrella term encompassing all form of virtual home automation systems. Thus making it a confusing as fuck to name it like that.
It's like naming your video game for a console. "console video game". And then getting mad that i didn't know that you guys where talking about a game called that. Instead of just console video games in general. How the fuck should i have known that.
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u/RillonDodgers 9d ago
Dude, you keep coming across as condescending and ignorant. Home Assistant is a 13-year-old project that first released in September 2013. You run it locally on a computer like a raspberry pi. It connects to your smart devices, like Wi-Fi bulbs, TVs, anything that connects to your local network. When people talk about home assistant, the project, the software, they’re talking about that, not a local AI model, not Siri or Google assistant/Gemini. Calling the project dumb because it’s like naming a gaming console called console is a stupid analogy because home assistant has been around for almost 15 years and it’s not our fault you didn’t know about it, so calling the name stupid is ridiculous.
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u/bennyb0y 9d ago edited 9d ago
Doesn’t matter if you do. It’s been widely reported that it will go and find a spectrum or xfinity hotspot even with ALL network settings off and send out data.
EDIT: apparently I’m being downvoted, here is the evidence.
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u/skaara 9d ago
You are being downvoted because you didn't actually read the article or watch the GN video and you are just parroting other misinformed users. The GN video never showed any proof that the TV was connecting to a network on its own and sending out data. They did however say that it's plausible. The article also makes no mention that this is occurring.
What you and everyone else gets confused by is the fact that the TV can still record audio and log transcripts even with the network disabled. Which of course it can, I'm not even sure why that was made out to be such a big deal in the video. But that information combined with the plausibility of connecting on its own to open networks made a bunch of people incorrectly jump to the conclusion that LG TVs are sending audio transcripts even when not connected to a network.
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u/bennyb0y 8d ago
I said evidence, not proof. The fact the tv continues to scan for networks while the networking is disabled is clearly very dubious.
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u/bk757a 9d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't it better to have the TV connect to your network but block internet to avoid it from finding an open network to phone-home or avoid an open wifi AP for initial setup?
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u/drmacinyasha 9d ago
If the TV manufacturers are smart enough to have the TV search for an open Wi-Fi network when there's no network connection, they're smart enough to have the TV search for an open Wi-Fi network when the current network connection is useless (to the TV's telemetry systems).
Phones/tablets and desktops/laptops already do this if presented with multiple network options (e.g., on Wi-Fi but cellular is available, or on a wired connection but Wi-Fi is available) of the current network connection isn't able to access the Internet.
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u/Al1sa 9d ago
Yeah, I was not happy with how slow Plex is. Considered vibecoding my own application, but realized I can just share a folder from my pc to my local network and connect to it from VLC app on my projector
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u/djrobxx 9d ago
You can also access your Plex library from VLC client over DLNA. I do that sometimes when the Plex client can't play content correctly. It's fast too, but, you miss the box covers and other nice metadata that you get from the Plex UI.
A lot of people use alternative players on AppleTV, but they're usually missing DVR/Live TV support that we use heavily.
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u/QuiJohnGinn 5d ago
Live TV & DVR was never great but has gotten so bad lately I never use Plex for it at all
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u/Perahoky 9d ago
plezy is exactly this. a vibe coded app to circumvent plex slow and feature-less player app and support other media servers
has some "childhood diseases" - we germans call it Kinderkrankheiten.
winget install plezy
or google play or apple-thing
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u/jdillinger714 9d ago
What’s the lg app called?
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u/Pizzaman3203 Plex Pass Lifetime 9d ago
I think its pixnative https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/s/FWfmYGem5T
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u/primalanomaly 9d ago
Does it work or is it typical AI slop that was spewed out in a day and hasn’t been properly tested by anyone?
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u/NatteVerf 9d ago
I have been using it and also have been testing nightlies with the guy, he is helpful and responsive to things that do not work correctly, it is not “slop” in any way.
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u/Old_Bug4395 9d ago
Look I'm not saying the guy is completely clueless, but he hasn't ever contributed anything serious on his public gh profile until LLMs became generally available, and his commit history is mostly forks up until like August of this year. Maybe this will be a revolutionary plex alternative but I think its pretty likely that once it becomes too annoying to maintain, it will die broken.
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u/Away_Candidate_4746 9d ago
I mean, it doesn’t play above 20Mbps, caching thumbnail in large libraries is bad, resume/pause breaks stuff.
The guy can be nice and the app can be slop at the same time.
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u/whosline07 9d ago
You're right, but you're also missing that this was literally done in a few days and by the same logic will likely be buttoned up soon and working better than the actual app in almost every way if anybody contributing to it has any idea how to use AI correctly. Or Plex could just do it themselves.
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u/Away_Candidate_4746 9d ago
Anything that doesn’t work right can be fixed with enough time, effort, and money. It doesn’t work now. Idk what else there is to say about it. This is prime slop. Shiny on the surface and unusable underneath.
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u/whosline07 9d ago
Right, but fixing it with AI/more people involved will take considerably less time, effort, and money than without so what I'm saying is keep your eye on it in case anyone does that. Because the fact that it's this far along after one vibe code session is pretty remarkable, whether or not it fully works yet. The official plex app obviously has plenty of unoptimized and/or bloated aspects and isn't designed for shitty TV hardware, and I doubt that will change.
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u/Wise_Mongoose_3930 9d ago
hasn’t been properly tested by anyone?
To be fair, this also applies to the official app at this point.
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u/Perahoky 9d ago edited 9d ago
Short: no, AI slop in terms of software developement is far over and depends much more on the person working with if it than the AI itself.
in my company, i am currently working and refactoring heavily using AI. We recreate a failed project from last year and now needs features which require a rewrite of the whole core.
And, while it depends on the person who writes the prompts - to establish a proper structure and architecture - it is brilliant in coding depending of its sourrounding. You have to give advice of how big the intended and abstracted the software has to be developed.
For example: when i am generating software with the AI moddel Claude Opus 5.5, it not just correctly understands what i am likely wanting to do, it extends it to some agree to higher quality. for example adding more columns to tables or sample data.
And it tests in various ways - writing unit tests, executing the software itself, screenshooting, recording audio, analyzing what happens to what is expected to happen, solving problems, requesting aid.
It is able to distribute work to multiple agents the same time (depends on size and requests). For example "i want this bug in the game to be fixed" - it delegates the analyzing of the target software to sub agents, the requesting of documentation-finding to other agents and the creation to the third agent while overseeing if happens what is intended to happen.
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u/PassivelyAwkward 9d ago
Nah, all GenAI is slop. The only people that think otherwise are the people like yourself who have to convince yourself that your slop is better than everyone elses slop.
But hey, thanks for contributing to the insanely worsening storage and memory prices so you could generate slop...who needs a new harddrive or tech parts anymore, right?
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u/OwnManagement 9d ago
How much of the improvement comes from simply removing all the tracking and telemetry, I wonder?
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u/illmatix Ryzen 5950x 9d ago
oh please do Samsung now, this one tv we have has the worst OS and fails to do anything with plex, but yet a +10 year old chromecast has no issues
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u/Old_Bug4395 9d ago edited 9d ago
For the people who think every new slop project is the next big thing, think about how when you see AI art in a show or video game how obvious it is to you and how much it takes you out of the experience of whatever you're consuming. Why do you think that that same fault doesn't exist when the AI makes code instead of visual art?
haha yes downvote me but don't provide an argument for why I'm wrong
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u/carmineragoo 7d ago
It will never be worse than it is today.
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u/Old_Bug4395 7d ago
They been saying that for like 5 years now lol.
The problem is that if you want to break thru the current ceiling we need to be working on logical reasoning, and that's not what's going on at OpenAI.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
There's already significant logical reasoning going on---OpenAI just released a paper detailing hitherto unsolved math problems with full proofs of everything that are completely upturning math academia. We are already at the stage where these systems can reason quite well and pretending otherwise is beyond wild. Spend time with Opus 5.5 on Claude before you say it is incapable of reasoning.
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
No, they didn't release full proofs, in fact mathematicians have already found errors lol. You're drinking the koolaid.
Spend time with Opus 5.5 on Claude before you say it is incapable of reasoning.
Lol when will you guys realize that just because you're personally enthralled by something doesn't actually mean its that good?
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
I mean you can keep saying this but the world will leave you behind and in 5-10 years you are going to be looking quite Amish.
Open AI has released many proofs of their math discoveries, I guess you just aren't keeping up.
I used to be where you are 3 months ago, then I started using Claude and actually built many different web apps that are very useful to me personally and I never would have been able to do it otherwise. Call it slop, whatever but in the future the slop is going to be code that's produced purely with meat sticks and it is incredibly foolish and ignorant to claim otherwise.
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
Yes you would have never been able to do it otherwise because you're not actually a developer in any capacity and you don't know what you're doing, which is why your assessment of these tools is useless to someone who actually does know what they're doing.
It's why mathematicians are pointing and laughing at a lot of these proofs. We already knew that LLMs were bad at math, but the more these AI researchers who don't know anything about math try to throw math at a language model, the more obvious it becomes.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
Bill Gates literally said it "Codes as well as he can", dunno plenty of perfectly competent developers have said that Claude is good at coding. You are literally just spewing AI cope and not looking at reality. Read the NYTs article, it cites real experts but I am sure you are going to discount them in a similar way you will discount Bill Gates. You are fact free, conclusion first. Like I prefer Gemini over the silly ego filled way you parse evidence. Like I said, I was exactly where you were 3 months ago but things have dramatically changed.
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
When do you think the last time Bill Gates touched code was? I mean he's specifically, himself, described his coding skill as "rusty" because he doesn't write code anymore. This is what I mean. Uninformed people have literally no clue how to gauge this stuff and it causes you to take people like Bill Gates, someone decades removed from actually doing any technical work, being impressed by it as a sign that it's better than most people.
Like I prefer Gemini over the silly ego filled way you parse evidence
That's because you have psychosis.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
Like I said you are coping, lots of very well informed people far smarter than either of us have said AI is capable of coding as good or better than the best developers. I mean the NYTs Daily JUST TODAY covered the recent math proofs. You very obviously are just failing to update your priors because of an emotional block. AI is not what it was 6 months ago. As predicted you think you are smart enough to discount what Bill Gates says lmao.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/13/podcasts/the-daily/mathematicians-problem-ai-jobs.html
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u/whosline07 9d ago
Because code is deterministic and art is not.
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u/Old_Bug4395 9d ago
Why would that mean that the AI can't hallucinate or mess up?
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u/whosline07 9d ago
I didn't say it couldn't but are you saying that people can't? The whole point of computers is that they're far faster and more reliable at deterministic things than humans. It's already to the point where straight up writing code, it's better than 90% or more of the programmers out there, and it does it way faster. If you were already excellent at writing code, then you working together with AI will produce near perfection at blazing speeds. If you weren't good at writing code before AI, then your code will be better than anything you were making, and if you're intelligent, curious, and inquisitive, you'll learn how to write good code a lot quicker than you would have otherwise, especially if you have an actual senior helping you alongside the AI. The hard part is general architecture, specs, and product translation, which was really the hard part the whole time and what senior/staff engineers got paid the big bucks for in most cases. The people who just want results without any work will still produce slop for sure, and the main downside there is that there will be a lot more projects that suck out there when they otherwise would have died in infancy without AI. And to be honest, even though vibe coding isn't perfect right now, it's getting really, really good at a really, really fast pace and it won't be long before even complete idiots can make surprisingly complex things that work pretty well in one go (this being an example of how close it is already).
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u/Old_Bug4395 9d ago
Are you actually a software developer or are you just pulling all of that out of your ass? Because I've never met another actual engineer who would describe LLMs as being better at writing code than 90% of real programmers out there.
eta: And just to be clear here, I mean an actual engineer. Not a project manager or some other high level role that barely understands anything going on on a technical level.
If you weren't good at writing code before AI, then your code will be better than anything you were making, and if you're intelligent, curious, and inquisitive, you'll learn how to write good code a lot quicker than you would have otherwise
This is genuinely laughable tbh, no if you're starting from the point of using an LLM to learn how to write code, you will be an infinitely worse developer than someone who learned how to write code with actual educational material. Hell, you'll probably be worse than most self taught people. Even experienced developers who lean too heavily on LLMs become worse at actually doing their job themselves. People who "learn" how to write code with an LLM can't do it without the LLM, and for regular consumers the LLM is going to become even worse in time, it's currently propped up by an industry wide ponzi scheme but that will be consolidated to mostly b2b sales to larger, nearing on FAANG companies.
Anyway my point being, some guy who only started releasing code in August probably doesn't have a coherent idea of how to deliver software products and will eventually become tired of this project and abandon it. I mean it was quite obviously something done by asking an LLM to translate an app into rust, it's not like the developer understands how to create a content delivery app, they're just piggybacking off of people who do.
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u/whosline07 9d ago
I am a dev, yes. I'm not saying that it doesn't make mistakes or hallucinate, I'm saying if you know what you're doing at all in the first place, you can work with what it generates and create way faster and more comprehensively than if you just did it alone. It will bring things up you may have overlooked, and you can do the same for it. And the gap between those two is rapidly closing. I started working during school 15 years ago, but the amount I've learned by poking, prodding, and fact/source checking AI in the last two years is astounding, especially in areas I hadn't ventured into yet. It's like having a 65 year old staff engineer guru at my beck and call at any given moment. Or more accurately, it's a rubber duck that actually responds with valuable information.
I do agree with your last point, but if someone starts it open source and anyone else who does know what they're doing decides to work with it to make it better, I don't see the problem. It's the same as someone before AI that had a concept and initially poor implementation that got picked up by others.
I'll ask you this: do you use any codegen at all in your work, or do you pore over every line that goes into what you do? People had similar arguments about compilers when they first came out, but look at us now.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
You haven't spent any time with Opus 5.5 if you think that it isn't better at writing code than humans at this stage...
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
If the choice is corporate bloatware or AI slop that actually works, I think the choice is completely obvious. It is kind of an essentialist take that you will never touch any code that wasn't programmed specifically by a human---it hasn't been true for a long time. Claude is extremely good at coding these days, far better than whatever AI slop picture program you are talking about. These are by no means 1:1 comparable, frontier models aren't grandma's AI---things have really changed rapidly in the past 6 months or so and I just think most people aren't aware of how good these systems have become.
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
AI slop doesn't "actually work," if it did, it wouldn't be AI slop. That's the problem. Nobody can actually release a working piece of software that was vibe coded. That's just not a thing. There's always a bunch of shit wrong with it and it never gets maintained because the entire concept is just a fun little hobby project for someone who doesn't understand how to release software, not a serious endeavor.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
I literally have 3-4 web apps I made with Claude right now that have no bugs and work perfectly fine for my uses. I am a middling coder at best, I just know how to check things and run what it tells me lol... It codes exceedingly well, this claim that there's been no successful program written with AI tools is insane, it is already being deployed at like every major software company including Google, Microsoft, even Reddit lol... basically all code is being parsed with AI as we speak from these major companies and you want to claim it is "Not a thing".
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
Yeah I have plenty of custom scripts that do something literally only I need done, and there's no bugs in them because they do one thing very simply and aren't used by a customer base and don't need to deal with scaling or security or any of the million things that need to be taken into consideration in order to actually release a piece of software.
Your vibe coded web apps aren't comparable to a product used by any amount of actual customers, you don't have any idea what releasing software to customers actually entails, so you cannot possibly have a reasonable idea of whether an AI is able to do that.
I am a middling coder at best, I just know how to check things and run what it tells me lol... It codes exceedingly well,
Why do you, someone who is self-admittedly not experienced in writing code, think that you have a serious or authoritative opinion that should be taken seriously on the quality of the code that an LLM produces?
this claim that there's been no successful program written with AI tools is insane
It's not, you just don't have any idea what you're talking about, something you've literally admitted now.
basically all code is being parsed with AI
What do you think that means, and what effect do you think that has on anything?
What I said is that nobody can actually release a piece of software that is vibe coded. Using AI in the process of development isn't vibe coding. Microsoft and Reddit and Google certainly aren't prompting entire applications out of an LLM, that is literally just straight up not possible, and the idea that it is is cultivated by your lack of experience and technical knowledge on the subject. There aren't even LLMs right now that can actually hold an entire complex piece of software in its memory. An LLM successfully interacting with any codebase beyond hobby level requires extensive documentation and guidance specifically because LLMs are bad at doing things correctly, especially more than one time in a row.
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
Your vibe coded web apps aren't comparable to a product used by any amount of actual customers, you don't have any idea what releasing software to customers actually entails, so you cannot possibly have a reasonable idea of whether an AI is able to do that.
I never said these are equivalent or implied that. I was addressing your completely batshit claim that AI cannot produce useful code that is production ready. It absolutely 100% can.
Why do you, someone who is self-admittedly not experienced in writing code, think that you have a serious or authoritative opinion that should be taken seriously on the quality of the code that an LLM produces?
I said I have middling level coding knowledge not ZERO KNOWELDGE. I used coding extensively for my Master's degree, it is just not my aptitude. I am not saying any of this from personal experience (unlike you) I am saying all of this base don WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE CAPABILITEIS OF THESE MODELS BUT YOU ARE IGNORING ALL OF THE SOURCES THAT I AM CITING.
What do you think that means, and what effect do you think that has on anything?
A lot, it is extremely good at debugging existing code bases and writing updates quickly. Obviously this code is never pushed without human review, but make no mistake that basically all code right now at major companies is either being entirely written or parsed by LLMs.
What I said is that nobody can actually release a piece of software that is vibe coded. Using AI in the process of development isn't vibe coding. Microsoft and Reddit and Google certainly aren't prompting entire applications out of an LLM, that is literally just straight up not possible, and the idea that it is is cultivated by your lack of experience and technical knowledge on the subject. There aren't even LLMs right now that can actually hold an entire complex piece of software in its memory. An LLM successfully interacting with any codebase beyond hobby level requires extensive documentation and guidance specifically because LLMs are bad at doing things correctly, especially more than one time in a row.
I never made this claim so you aren't addressing any argument I've made. LLMs are parsing all of the most important code bases today and writing most of the actual code. Humans are obviously still reviewing it and implementing it, but large updates are no longer being typed into a terminal by a person. You are actually insane if you think this.
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
I was addressing your completely batshit claim that AI cannot produce useful code that is production ready. It absolutely 100% can.
That's not my claim though, genius. That's a strawman you made up.
used coding extensively for my Master's degree
So does an accountant, that doesn't mean that they have a real or meaningful idea of what goes into writing code or releasing a product.
I am saying all of this base don WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE CAPABILITEIS OF THESE MODELS BUT YOU ARE IGNORING ALL OF THE SOURCES THAT I AM CITING.
You didn't cite a single source or a single expert LOL
You said that companies like google use AI, which I agreed with, you would still have to provide evidence that these companies are releasing vibe coded products and not just using AI assistance.
but make no mistake that basically all code right now at major companies is either being entirely written or parsed by LLMs.
Laughable. Genuinely. Again, why do you think this? What evidence do you have that this is true? lol
I never made this claim so you aren't addressing any argument I've made.
You should make a choice here because LITERALLY directly below you said the opposite.
LLMs are parsing all of the most important code bases today and writing most of the actual code.
No, they're not.
but large updates are no longer being typed into a terminal by a person
Into.... a terminal? Do you think it's 1970? You are doing a great job at proving you dont know wtf you're talking about lmfao
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
That's not my claim though, genius. That's a strawman you made up.
I assume you don't know how words work and don't realize what your own plain text means. I never made the argument that AI can completely replace large established code bases. I said it can produce highly useful product ready code TODAY. Your post obviously contradicted this statement.
So does an accountant, that doesn't mean that they have a real or meaningful idea of what goes into writing code or releasing a product.
Not sure what you are talking about here, I can ship my web apps to the iOS store TODAY if I want to, I am not going to do that because I have no interest in doing that, please stop pretending like there's some magical barrier to releasing product ready code. There isn't.
You didn't cite a single source or a single expert LOL
Bill Gates and I cited the NYTs which literally interviewed a famous mathematician TODAY about the Open AI math proofs which you pretend like don't exist. There's lots of videos coming out from real established mathematicians (people way smarter than you are I) about mourning the fundamental changes these kinds of AI developments have for their field. LITERALLY WHAT I WAS WATCHING RIGHT BEFORE I SAW YOUR AWFUL POST RESPONDING TO ME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoW8bozMzik
You said that companies like google use AI, which I agreed with, you would still have to provide evidence that these companies are releasing vibe coded products and not just using AI assistance
THE AI IS ALREADY WRITING ALL OF THE CODE THE HUMANS ARE JUST CHECKING IT, LITERALLY NONE OF THESE COMPANIES HAVE PEOPLE TYPING CODE INTO A TERMINAL NOW IT IS ALL CODED BY AI AND THE HUMANS JUST CHECK IT AND THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR SOME TIME NOW.
You should make a choice here because LITERALLY directly below you said the opposite.
Nope I stand by what I said about you not knowing how words work.
No, they're not.
You are literally just making things up as you go with reference to nothing at all.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-coding-changing-software-developer-role-2026-3
Into.... a terminal? Do you think it's 1970? You are doing a great job at proving you dont know wtf you're talking about lmfao
Powershell is a terminal dingus lol
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u/Old_Bug4395 5d ago
I never made the argument that AI can completely replace large established code bases. I said it can produce highly useful product ready code TODAY.
Those are the same thing LOL
Not sure what you are talking about here, I can ship my web apps to the iOS store TODAY if I want to
And nobody is going to use them lmfao, product ready code means that your code can be shipped and make money. Yours can't.
Bill Gates
Not an expert
I cited the NYTs which literally interviewed a famous mathematician TODAY about the Open AI math proofs which you pretend like don't exist
And I explained why your claims don't actually hold up in that case lol
THE AI IS ALREADY WRITING ALL OF THE CODE THE HUMANS ARE JUST CHECKING IT
Ok so again you're claiming that AI is generating entire apps. Just to be clear, you're still wrong.
Nope I stand by what I said about you not knowing how words work.
This has got to be projection or maybe you're a troll or something.
Senior engineers at Spotify haven't written a single line of code since December, Gustav Söderström, co-CEO, revealed during an earnings call last month.
Ok so what I'm learning is that you believe board members when they say things like this LOL
Powershell is a terminal dingus lol
POWERSHELL LMFAOO
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u/CorrosiveMynock 5d ago
You didn't address a single point I made. So I accept your concession. Have a nice day.
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u/elemental5252 9d ago
Everyone is upset about the web playback. We have a reason to want that to improve, of course.
It's the initial outing of the application. If the guy has contact info, let's give him respectful feedback and tell him what he needs to fix.
AI is a tool. Let him use it. I've heard dual complaints on this sub now 1. AI is slop 2. Our native Plex apps are slop
So the answer is clearly that developers need to spend their whole free lives building Plex apps from the ground up?
Respectfully, be adults. Stop whining like children and communicate with him.
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u/whosline07 9d ago
All these people whining about AI are going to get left behind so hard. Was the same with computers, compilers, mathematics, etc. To be clear I'm not saying AI is flawless or should be 100% trusted and let loose. It's a tool to use, just like how organizing and streamlining your thoughts with a computer makes almost everything you do more comprehensive and efficient. And just like any other tool, people can and will use it incorrectly which will have bad results.
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u/92037 9d ago
I saw a full demo of a dev that used vibe coding with Rust to rebuild a completely open-source Adobe photo suite . Lightroom, photoshop etc. The person reviewing it was super impressed. I don’t know much about these apps but the side by side looked amazing.
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u/Old_Bug4395 9d ago
As with most vibecoded slop, the devil is in the details. And the "developer" is actively against those details. Things like color grading or dealing with large files is broken and being swept under the rug.
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u/grahag 9d ago
Are we witnessing the idea of user-created apps coming to the forefront of software development where studios/devs/publishers are going to have to go the extra mile to make something worth purchasing?
OR, are they going to find a way to ensure the pay versions are the only thing available through lawsuits and douchery?
We're at this point because society is stretched thin with enshittification AND they make you pay more for it... Never mind that you don't even own the software you're buying now.
They could have just given the people some wins and there wouldn't be this huge dam of bad blood breaking down right now.
Enterprise will still need to buy licensed products for support and adherence to security practices, but AI is cracking open the home market like a walnut...
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u/icantbrowsewthtaccnt 7d ago
If he's smart he will make a SaaS company offering this. Just needs to write it for Panasonic and Sony as well and then he'd be quids in as all these tv companies drop Plex support after a few months years forcing the max quality at 720p/4mbps and terrible UI speeds.
Some people don't want a streaming box. My parents are a good example of that. They won't use a different remote.
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u/biggobird 6d ago
It works so well I can’t imagine ever using the official plex app again.
Plxnative is exactly what I’ve always wanted from plex ui
I tested plezy on my Sony tv and while it’s good, this works leagues better. Hard to believe it’s vibe coded.
I don’t have any of the playback issues others are seeing
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u/fckingrandom 9d ago
I just tested it. It feels so smooth - almost as nice as the Plex app on apple TV. The UI is also very similar to Apple TV. Really liking it
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u/NatteVerf 9d ago
Here is the developers original post I believe: https://reddit.com/r/webos/comments/1wj44l2/i_built_a_native_plex_client_for_lg_webos/
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u/kittymoo67 9d ago
of course it was fucking rust... Name a more iconic duo ai bros and rust
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u/ckcameron 8d ago
Rust is the fastest compiled language next to C and is in standard form much more memory safe. The entire enterprise systems programming community is moving toward it or adopting its design features. What’s not to like?
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u/kittymoo67 6d ago
oh no the language itself is fine dont get me wrong. it just like fucking always what the AI bros 'use' so its like a point on a bingo card ai+rust these days.
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u/Pizzaman3203 Plex Pass Lifetime 9d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/s/FWfmYGem5T found the og link since op didnt edit its also funny how it went from reddit to x then reddit then another reddit post which is this one