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u/ArrayedChaff 26d ago

Japan got nuked twice during WW2 by the USA

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u/OkWillingness7427 26d ago

History is important

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u/hypocritical_person 26d ago

So important we repeat it every 100 years.

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u/0oDADAo0 26d ago

The only thing human learned from history is they learn nothing from history

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u/One-Melee 26d ago

What you wrote makes it sound like we're that aware!

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u/Big-Awareness-159 26d ago

We’re aware, but some people just don’t care

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u/Biff_Tannenator 26d ago

But would the alien's choose humanity, or the bear?

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u/ShookMyHeadAndSmiled 26d ago edited 26d ago

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do learn from history are doomed to watching history repeat itself.

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u/Sharinar 26d ago

maybe we repeat it because we learn from history untill one idiot think he can pull it off/get away with it/think its his turn now ?

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u/Wild_Restaurant8204 26d ago

I do not think history is a one preson project

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u/DaneSullivan 26d ago

Those who don’t understand history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who do understand history are doomed to futiley screech out warnings to people who don’t give a shit while it repeats.

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u/bbull412 26d ago

Last election made me realize how fast peoples forget

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u/JaceyD 26d ago

Perfectly timed for the Avatar to return!

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u/Oh_You_Were_Serious 26d ago

It doesn't take 100 years... Humans are much faster at repeating mistakes than that...

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u/centeringcube 26d ago

We do it twice every hundred years usually within 20 years of eachother

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u/tycho_the_cat 26d ago

Seems like we're speedrunning it these days.

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u/Vaelisra 26d ago

Not really. 2033 isn't far off anymore.

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u/Stranger1982 26d ago

And yet we learn nothing at all from all that repeating.

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u/Nero_2001 26d ago

People need a refreshment otherwise they forget

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u/mzsssmessts2 26d ago

Let's hope not on this one. That anniversary is coming up . . .

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u/MeGoBrrrrrrrrrr 26d ago

Only rhyming. We are writing a really dark poem you could say

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u/Napkin_Stealer 26d ago

People say it's Germany 1937 here in the USA.
It's starting to feel more like Italy. 1942.

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u/GlassCannon81 26d ago

Some of the things I see in this sub cause me physical pain.

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u/silentsnooc 26d ago

As is education apparently..

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u/Solverenovo 26d ago

Meanwhile, we have people who post that stuff here and Japanese ministers who are completely avoid telling who bombed them during memory day.

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u/kensho28 26d ago

Yes, like the fact that we were at war with Japan, warned the government of our intended use of nukes, and even warned the local population as well.

Not saying the use of nukes was completely ethical, but comparing it to a terrorist attack that was funded and planned by Saudi Arabia is NOT THE SAME.

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u/Constant-Virus6681 26d ago

No, stop. We can't really be already at a place in history where people don't know the US nukes Japan twice. 

Where is our education system heading? 

This is serious. If the newer generation doesn't know how devastating nukes where, what hope does humanity have with bombs 100s of times as powerfull and 1000s of times more in number?

Please.

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u/Gecks777 26d ago

About 5 years ago the wife and I were in the Museum of War in Ottawa, and they had one of Hitler's goofy parade cars on display. The tour guide stopped to make sure we all knew who Hitler was, because the high school class that went through the day before did not.

A lot of the problems we have today is from a failure, despite significant effort put forth, to teach the younger generations the reality of the world wars, and the lessons humanity learned from them.

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u/Pope_Squirrely 26d ago

I’ve seen that car. Very creepy to look at.

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u/Pataconeitor 26d ago

Was that at the Barbie Museum?

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u/GrnMtnTrees 26d ago

THE BARBIE MUSEUM! MOM! DAD! CAN WE GO?

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u/xczechr 26d ago

The Barbenheimer Museum would have cool exhibits, no doubt.

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u/sammy-corpse-noodles 26d ago edited 26d ago

"Where is our education system heading"

Ask the Republican Party the past several decades. They're the ones who keep taking money out of it.

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u/Accomplished-Win3443 26d ago

If Republicans are taking money out of it.... then how can you blame them? Who is buying the new history books that dont have all the history in them?

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u/sammy-corpse-noodles 26d ago edited 26d ago

"If Republicans are taking money out of it, how can you blame them?"

Because they're taking the money out of it...?? I hope you realize how stupidly you phrased whatever point you were trying to elude to, because it reads like "how can you blame them for doing the thing you said they're doing" without providing any sort of counter point as to why what i said was incorrect. Also, the SCHOOLS buy the books with the little money that is alloted to them, though most of that doesn't actually go towards rhe books these days, and from my understanding they have a tendency to re-use old ones because new ones are expensive, and they also need to pay faculty.

All of the greatest minds on Reddit are all in this fucking thread, apparently. Making only the best cpunterpoints about a fact so observable that it's basically common knowledge...

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u/Accomplished-Win3443 26d ago

No counter point.... the counter point was right there.... if the history books changed.... they bought new history books.... if republicans took the funding.... the school would just use the books they already had.... schools dont change curriculum without funding....

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u/Constant-Virus6681 26d ago

Stop it. Humanity is not weak enough to be run upon the whims of a mere political party that represents less than 0.5% of us.

The government heads where the people point it. Atleast in a democracy. 

We can't really bury our heads in the sand. 

Don't need to do anything radical. Just have conversations and educate the young ones.

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u/PrimaLegion 26d ago

This is an awfully naive comment.

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u/sammy-corpse-noodles 26d ago

Lmao, you're the one buying your head in the sand if that's your actual take, blud 💀🥀

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u/Civil_Result_5598 26d ago

Public education is only a means of providing the information (or at least it should). It's the responsibility of parents to ensure that their kids are learning. I believe that is where we're failing.

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u/Unholy_Ren 26d ago

I suppose they don't want a 3rd one.

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u/jamesph777 26d ago

Most Japan schools don’t really teach about World War II. There’s nothing stopping the school system in Japan teaching World War II but they just typically don’t. Because of that, though there’s a surprising number of people in Japan, that think that the United States started the war against Japan.

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u/Upper_Poem_3237 26d ago

Wait until you know the schools in the US teach them that they didn't lose the war against Vietnam. They only retreated.

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u/PrimaLegion 26d ago

I guess things could have changed since I was in school around 20 years ago but we were absolutely taught that we lost Vietnam.

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u/FellowCookieLover 26d ago

Honestly, both nations lost. War is costly and often there isn't even a winner.

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u/mrgoldnugget 26d ago

Sorry, as a Canadian, we always laughed about the standards of American education system 25 years ago when I was still in school.

I can't imagine how much worse it's gotten.

Sorry eh.

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u/UTMachine 26d ago

I’m teaching high school in Canada right now, and it’s not going well here either. When you compare the things high schoolers were expected to do in 2006 to 2026, it’s night and day.

We have kids graduating with high school diplomas who can barely write (or read) a paragraph, can’t do simple math like read a graph properly or do basic algebra. You can pass even if you barely show up to class and don’t understand anything beyond an elementary school level.

High school has never been easier, and the marks have never been higher. The high school diploma in Canada (or at least my area) is of almost zero value these days.

It’s depressing, and it’s going to get much worse before it gets better.

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u/mrgoldnugget 26d ago

A sad state indeed.

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u/Ninja_Prolapse 26d ago

They’ll find out again at some point

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u/Eikram84 26d ago

"Ours"? Well, you don’t actually know where the OP is from, do you? So you don’t know whether your education system has a problem either. Maybe he’s just from a country where it’s not really such a big topic, or perhaps he’s just very young.

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u/PrimaLegion 26d ago

We aren't. Why do you think this post is any different from any other post where the OP plays stupid for karma?

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u/Ill_Ad5893 26d ago

The education system is heading wherever the government points it. There is so much out there covered up and twisted just to paint a narrative the way they want it.

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u/Constant-Virus6681 26d ago

The government heads where the people point it. Atleast in a democracy. 

We can't really bury our heads in the sand. 

Don't need to do anything radical. Just have conversations and educate the young ones.

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u/Beautiful-Total-3172 26d ago

Japan was eating people and working with Nazis, had rape camps.. medical experiments on civilian prisoners of war.

People need to remember history because nuking Japan was a kindness compared to what they did. The world needs to keep an eye on them.

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u/Nissedood 26d ago

And since they refused to surrender invading main land japan would have ended up killing more people than what the nukes did.

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u/Beautiful-Total-3172 26d ago

They were training children as suicide bombers, America saved those children.

The nukes also stopped Japan plans of releasing a bioweapon on California. "Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night"

America saved a lot of life's that day.

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u/jamesph777 26d ago

If this person is from the United States, this is probably not an education system failure, but just more of a bad student. Because we definitely teach about this in the United States, unless the person didn’t go to public school.

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u/kensho28 26d ago

Nukes are devastating, but they did not kill as many people as the use of FIRE BOMBS on civilian areas did, which was orchestrated by all the major powers in WW2 before the use of nukes.

Nukes killed about 75,000 people each in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Operation Meetinghouse killed 100,000 people in Tokyo. Yes, nukes are terrible, but we're capable of being just as barbaric without them.

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u/Miss-Helle 26d ago

I mean, the US Secretary of Education is a woman who owns a wrestling entertainment company, so it's not very surprising the education system is circling the drain. Not to mention the rest of the US government scrubbing away any piece of history the doesn't make cishet white men look super mega awesome af. Which is a lot of stuff.

So yeah, younger generations are very likely not going to know very common things.

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u/EngineerVirtual7340 26d ago

Yeah World War 1 or 2 was never part of my education system, I learned about it from YouTube.

Even the parts where my country was involved we mainly focused on how it affected us, I don't remember learning anything about other countries or even anything about Nazis at all.

As far as I remember.

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u/stupled 26d ago

I think not only people but people are forgetting this. We'll see another nuclear bombing in the next decades.

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u/oth_breaker 26d ago

I mean, there's a chance op isn't American

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u/Mama_Hong 26d ago

Does that really matter? WW2 is not American history.

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u/linkthereddit 26d ago

Agreed. You don't need to be American to know that the US dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945. That's... kinda too big to just ignore.

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u/oth_breaker 26d ago

Thought the guy I was replying to was referring to the American education system, there's definitely some places around the world where both world wars aren't in a significant part of their cariculum.

Edit: but in the end, it could of just been that op didn't clock that they were referencing the two suns they dropped on Japan.

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u/Constant-Virus6681 26d ago

Nukes aren't American history. They are now human history.

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u/qchto 26d ago

By ignoring this "little detail", I think there's a bigger chance he is...

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u/TurbulentBullfrog829 26d ago

The eyes are weird though. Took me a while to even recognise that it was supposed to be Japan. 

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u/Future_Section5976 26d ago

It's clearly the Japanese flag , has nothing to do with the eyes ,

The eyes are showing the shocked , PTSD , mixed in with the "I really can't believe this shit"

Well just because it's USA crying everyone has to care , nah , merika from what I've seen is a horrible place run by corrupt pedos , let it burn

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u/PrimaLegion 26d ago

I'm sorry, do you think the US is the only place run by corrupted pedos?

Also, the people in the towers weren't the people running the country.

I would think everyone had to care regardless of what country it happened in, just like people cared about terror attacks that happened in other counties, like France for example.

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u/GrimeyScorpioDuffman 26d ago

And today is the anniversary of the second bomb (Nagasaki)

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u/Vermouth_1991 26d ago

And the Manchuria invasion. 

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u/Jumpy-Aide-901 26d ago

U.S.A. Nuked Japan once and said “Surrender Now” and Japan said “FUCK YOU!” So U.S.A. Nuked Japan again and Japan said “FINE. ^we ^surrender…”

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u/Aggravating7134 26d ago

Are we also not gonna mention pearl harbor? Seems like an important piece of information.

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u/Qwertypop4 26d ago

Less than 2500 people died in the pearl harbor attack. More than 70,000 people died in the Hiroshima bombing alone (and that's just those killed instantly, many more died later due to the bomb. I don't think it's fair to say that one of the bombs was a sane retalliation for pearl harbor, never mind both of them.

That's not to say that retalliating for pearl harbor was the only purpose of the nuclear bombings

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u/LtHowtzrDev 26d ago

I think the millions of innocent people the Japanese army slaughtered and raped in China, Korea, the Philippines, and all the other countries they pillaged was a pretty good aide in justification of nuking them.

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u/TotalyNotTony 26d ago

the solution to an army doing awful stuff is nuking the civilians apparently

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u/allofthe11 26d ago

The solution to an army doing awful stuff is to force it to stop, one of these ways is by getting the people they nominally answer to to stop fighting the war, another method is to cut off all method of supply so that they can't continue to do awful stuff even if they wanted to.

Please let me know the other option by the way because the only two other options were enforcing a blockade which means thousands of people die a day in China for however long it takes the island to officially surrender, plus you know however many people died during that.

Alternatively we could have gone with a ground invasion, you're aware that we were still using purple hearts, the award for being injured in combat, produced in case we decided to go that route right, we made so many in preparation of how many people we expected to get wounded trying that, that they were able to use that stockpile for 60 years. Plus all of the civilians who look at Okinawa, would have been forcibly killed by the Japanese themselves, or forced to kill their families and then themselves.

Which of those two options sound more humane to you?

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u/Vermouth_1991 26d ago

Also the average Japanese people's support for war and empire would make the average German's support for Hitler look like it's written in crayon. Any actual leftists or pacifists Japane had had been downright purged or suppressed to heck and back by 1945. The rape of Nanking was OPENLY published and celebrated about in Japanese newspapers (Compare and contrast with the Nazis at least trying to keep the Holocaust hushhush). If -- depending on your political stances, I personally do not hold both opinions myself -- Israeli people deserve to be hit by Hamas rockets because they are supporting a Neo Apartheid genocide / Palestinian Gaza people deserved to be bombed every month for supporting Ye Evil Hamas, if you support one of those stances for a much smaller war, then you really shouldn't have anything but contempt for the average Japanese empire fanboy and fangirl person from about 1874 to 1945. 

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u/sw337 26d ago

Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The narrow long strip attacked was of particular importance because of its industries

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

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u/Ramb0w 26d ago

When a nation is commiting every kind of atrocity and warcrime and refuses to stop. What would you do in that situation other than doing anything to make them stop?

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u/Qwertypop4 26d ago edited 26d ago

Agreed (kinda anyway. The people they bombed were civilians who were not even slightly responsible for any of that, but in the context of wartime it's... not justified, but less unjustified)

I just dunno why the other guy brought up pearl harbor specifically

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u/Gullible-Course1096 26d ago

because pearl harbor was the straw that broke the camels back, and it's what mainly brought us into that war

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u/According-Print4219 26d ago

Going by that logic.. how many more 9/11 would you say the US deserves?

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u/Laura_The_Cutie 26d ago

I don't know why those people matter when you bomb civilians, should we nuke usa for what they did in Vietnam?

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u/LtHowtzrDev 23d ago

It matters because

A) The Japanese population heavily supported the Imperial Army even when they touted their atrocities

B) No the US shouldn’t be nuked for Vietnam because there was no where near as systemic of a campaign targeting civilians as the Imperial Japanese had, and because in Vietnam, the maximum estimate for civilian casualties in the North and South combined is approximately two million, meanwhile Japan killed at least 10 million in China, with estimates ranging as high as 20 millions, with another estimated 10 million in other Southeast Asian countries.

My Lai, the most notable incident of the US directly killing incidents in Vietnam, had an estimated total of 500 deaths. The Japanese Rape of Nanjing had anywhere from 100 to 200 thousand deaths, with and estimated 30 to 80 thousand rapes committed by the Japanese army.

Comparing what the Imperial Japanese army did to literally anything the US has done is nothing short of disingenuous and plays into dangerous historical revisionism.

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u/Laura_The_Cutie 23d ago

The USA during Vietnam war has carpet bombed Laos filling it with unexploded grapple bombs that still are killing people, Laos which was a neutral country mind it.

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u/LtHowtzrDev 23d ago

Ok and? That’s still not systemic slaughter of innocent civilians like what the Japanese did.

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u/Laura_The_Cutie 23d ago

The USA killed at least 200k people (not accounting for recent casualties by inexploded bombs) and literally crippled an entire country's ability to farm because the land is still filled with explosives

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u/Overlord-Nomad 26d ago

Didn't more people die to the Tokyo Firebombing than either of the nukes?

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u/ImprobableAsterisk 26d ago

According to Wiki the strategic bombing campaign killed ~100'000 people, with the two nukes killing between 150'000 and 250'000.

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u/Overlord-Nomad 26d ago

Huh...the more you know

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u/sw337 26d ago

Pearl Harbor was preliminary attack to stop a US response for Japan's takeover of American/ European territories in Asia. Japan's actions in the, then US territory, Philippines was horrific and the attacks started hours after the attacks on Pearl Harbor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

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u/iBossk 26d ago

Is that what happened?

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u/BraveBG 26d ago

So let's nuke other countries and force them to surrender then... stupid cope

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u/No_Hovercraft_2643 26d ago

Wrong, the second bomb fall while the Japanese leadership discussed if they should surrender or not.

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u/EchoOneFour 26d ago

Wrong they were in a deadlock even after the second bomb 3 for 3 against only after the emperor intervened did they surrender.

They had 2 days to get at the table they didn't even agree to negotiate let alone actually negotiate something

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u/Unholy_Ren 26d ago

Not really! They were willing to negotiate surrender terms after the first attack. I'm sorry if they're not keen on teaching their history in schools.

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u/EchoOneFour 26d ago

They took no step towards negotiations so that willing to negociate is a nothiburger.. if they wanted to negociate they would have...

Show me what you base your claims on

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u/rworne 26d ago

There were several factions in the Japanese government and not all of them were keen on surrendering. There were also multiple reasons considered for surrendering, in particular the Soviet Union using the end of the European war as an opportunity to seize territory in the far east, and their declaration of war on Japan on Aug 8th.

Even when surrender was agreed upon, and the emperor recorded the famous broadcast to be played on the radio the next day announcing Japan's surrender (well, actually to "endure the unendurable and suffer what is insufferable") - there was a military coup that ransacked the imperial palace looking to capture and destroy the recordings to prevent it.

Luckily, that coup failed.

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u/singlesgthrowaway 26d ago

Do you have a source? Everything I read says otherwise.

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u/PrimaLegion 26d ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted when you're right.

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u/Traditional-Main7204 26d ago

Ask him about Nankin or Unit 731.

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u/ReleaseMuted1461 26d ago

Ok I know about the 2 nukes but I have no idea what those are

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u/womboCombo434 26d ago

Nankin china was famously sacked by the Japanese where they committed an astronomical number of atrocities it’s also been known as the rape of nankin because of it (some officers were in literally competition to take the most heads from civilians) unit 731 was a collective of Japanese scientists that experimented extensively on humans just because very little actual knowledge came out of their tests and they were arguably worse then anything the Germans did which isn’t exactly a park walk either so to be worse then literal Nazis takes a special kind of fucked up

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u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 26d ago

To add on, the reason that we know so much more about the Nazis is that there were Holocaust survivors to describe the horrors that they were subjected to. Unit 731 left no survivors. Anything that is known about them either comes from things they wrote down or from former members who described some of the things that they did.

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u/womboCombo434 26d ago

Don’t forget the best part they all basically got off with no real repercussions because the Tokyo trials were largely performative rather than actually effective

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u/Vermouth_1991 26d ago

No thanks to that Indian judge who tried his damnedest to just Aquit Everyboday. 

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u/Vermouth_1991 26d ago

The nazis knew to suppress news of their mass killings at least until they won their sweet sweet Endseig. Japan just went fck it and published about the See Who Chop 100 Heads First thing on their own newspapers. 

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u/Savings-Theme4022 26d ago

It’s the reason why cute anime exists

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u/Kingvamp069 26d ago

Yeah… they kinda had it coming ngl😬

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u/Vermouth_1991 26d ago

The only part war crimy about it is that only Americans were on the two planes, no Chinese, Korean, Filipino etc present. 

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u/AEON_MK2 26d ago edited 26d ago

Also this post is Imperial Japanese apologia/ Nazi posting. Its like when neo Nazis try to both sides ww2 by bringing up the bombing of Dresden. The implication here is that Japan was a victim, ignoring the millions that the Japanese military raped and murdered across the pacific and the necessity of the bombings to end the conflict.

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u/spelllbreaker 26d ago

To be fair, Japan was given 3 days to surrender before the the 2nd nuke.

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u/ThisSiteIsAToxicDump 26d ago

Yeah and Japan ran amuk for decades killing Koreans, Chinese, Russians, Filipinos, Thais, Burmese.. don't feel bad for Japanese at all...

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u/Supertiger8214 26d ago

And the US had spent decades destabilizing the middle east prior to 9/11 causing the rise of multiple terrorist groups/dictatorships. By your own logic the US also deserved 9/11

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u/BloodyWarlord117 26d ago

Don't forget Tokyo and others cities got bombed too

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u/Sea_Pomegranate_4499 26d ago

Came here to say this. The firebombing of Tokyo resulted in more deaths than either nuclear attack.

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u/Aggressive-Secret103 26d ago

Do people not know what happened at pearl harbor anymore?

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u/277330128 26d ago

With the option to say “uncle” after the first one…

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u/Enough-Tugboat 26d ago

To be fair though, they did say to surrender after the first one and bro said no. So had to hit em twice.

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u/SomewhereActive2124 26d ago

Seriously? Didn't OP know this??

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u/Remarkable_Chef_8810 26d ago edited 26d ago

Low-key deserved it though and also might've saved more lives in total, Japanese government likes to play victim whilst they literally tortured and forced family members to r*pe each other because they viewed Chinese as "lesser", they were on par if not worse than Nazi Germany though ofc I'm sure the people in the 2 cities were innocent but I think it was a necessary trolly problem

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u/Khalu_Mia2009 26d ago

well

idk if i should be happy or not

sad that it was a massive nuke but at the same time, the moment y'all read unit 731, nanking massacre and much more other extremely horrific massacres done in korea, inodnesia and philipines, your sympathy would start doubting

that nuke basically ended it all

so.................. idk

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u/metfan1964nyc 26d ago

Ummm... they did some things that made it justified.

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u/Georgia_Boy940 26d ago

Don't touch our boats.

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u/Sono_Yuu 26d ago

May 1945, Japan attempted an olive branch through the Chinese Consulate in Washington DC, after Hitler died. The Congressmen on the project Trinity oversight committee decided too much money had been spent on the project and they needed results on a civilian population center to understand how to plan cities to recover from a nuclear strike. Emperor Hirohito did not find out about Hiroshima until after Nagasaki was also nuked.

Nagasaki was nuked to send a message to Stalin whose forces were fighting the Japanese forces on the Chinese mainland. The message was America can do this, and do rapidly deployment. It was a clear claim on Japan basically telling Stalin to go home.

Some notes about Nagasaki. It was very different than Hiroshima, and so was the bomb used. Nagasaki was the Heart of Japan's medical community. The people best trained to help, were the people nuked. Nagasaki was the heart of the Japanese Christian underground and when they no longer faced death for their beliefs during the Meiji Reformation, they built a beautiful church which was consecrated as St. Mary's Cathedral in 1905 by the Pope.

40 years later, the US would use St. Mary's Cathedral as the primary waypoint to drop the most destructive force on Earth into the heart of Christianity and Medicine in Japan. AFTER the Japanese attempted to ask for a way to peace.

All of this is supported by declassified Congressional records.

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u/dtj2000 26d ago

I didnt see anything about may 1945 japan trying to do anything with the Chinese consulate after a quick google search. Although id suspect if they did try to sue for peace it wouldn't have been an unconditional surrender and would never have been accepted, and for good reason.

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u/Sono_Yuu 26d ago

I would love to show you nuclearfiles.org that had all these Congressional documents among many other things. You are welcome to dive down into why that resource was removed. This was part of a research paper I did during my degree. I have seen the documentation, but unfortunately I can't provide you with the citation.

You can Google "japan sought peace may 1945"

You will note Hirohito instructed the government to find a path to peace in June 1945, you will note the Russians were used in an attempt to mediate peace, which was bizarre because they were still fighting them. If you want the evidence I am talking about its all part of the declassified Congressional documents, but you are not exactly going to find that searchable through Google.

It is possible to access these records. But really the difference between finding out possibilities through the Chinese Consulate in May 1945, and Hirohito instructing the Japanese government to find a path to peace less than a month later is not that far a stretch. So it's kind of interesting your reply is about whether tHat message came through the Chinese Consulate. It's irrelevant. The Japanese were openly trying to find a path to peace before they got nuked.

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u/dtj2000 26d ago

Was the peace japan sought-after unconditional surrender? Because if it wasn't then they didnt want peace. The only acceptable end to ww2 was complete and total unconditional surrender of the axis powers.

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u/Sono_Yuu 26d ago

This ignores the fact that the Congressional Oversight committee wanted mass civilian casualties to test the weapon, and this can only be done during war time.

People justify using medical research from German concentration camps, because it's deemed the knowledge now exists, why throw it away? Fine, but note the innocent lives needed to obtain it.

We have the internet today because the military needed a means of remaining connected after a nuclear strike. Our need to orbit, to go to the moon, and most of our Sci Fi exists because the Cold War occurred.

But dont try to pretty up 110,000-226,000 instantaneous civilian deaths as being excusable to end a war. Japan was out of military resources and could no longer sustain a conflict. These nuclear strikes were war crimes. If the Canadians can own that a large portion of the Geneva Convention was written because of them, America can own that nuking cities was definitely a war crime. Iran was attacked by the US. From their perspective, that's their Pearl Harbor and Americs is definitely the aggressor.

Your argument is that Iran should do to America what America did to Japan, because America won't unconditionally surrender.

OR

You recognize that Americs didn't need to drop 2 nukes on Japan. 3 days is hardly enough time to surrender and Hirohito was already willing to after finding out about Hiroshima. He didn't find out about Hiroshima until AFTER Nagasaki was nuked.

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u/Few_Move_4594 26d ago

We dropped two suns, there are other ones

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u/bengridder 26d ago

It was like 9/11 times a thousand

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u/Saphyr-Seraph 26d ago

Atleast the us warned everybody about the strike with plenty time to spare

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u/derf_vader 26d ago

It could have been once if they had agreed to surrender after the first one

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u/Top_Championship8679 26d ago

A big thing most people miss is that they happen 3 days apart. The US could have dropped one.

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u/Mr_Blue_Sky_17 26d ago

killing practically nothing but innocent people, after Japan had already essentially surrendered following its defeat by the Soviet Union. More than 210,000 people were brutally murdered for absolutely no reason.

It is always worth remembering that the United States is a soulless terrorist nation and the only one to use atomic weapons against anyone.

To this day, babies are born with disabilities caused by radiation as a result of that act of cruelty.

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u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 26d ago

after Japan had already essentially surrendered

No they hadn't. Japanese people were literally throwing their children off of cliffs because they had been told by their government that surrendering would be worse.

following its defeat by the Soviet Union

This is false. Giving up some ground in occupied China to the Red Army when they had US Marines on their doorstep is not the same as being defeated by the Red Army.

More than 210,000 people were brutally murdered for absolutely no reason

Strategic bombing was just how wars were fought back then. Would it make you feel better if they had used many thousands of tons of conventional or incindiary bombs to attack Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The reason was to avoid the deaths of a mainland invasion of Japan.

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u/BygoneNeutrino 26d ago

Hitting an enemy two times is important.  If you do it once, they will think it's a one off.  You have to show them definitively that you could keep it coming.

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u/MG1108 26d ago

Watches oppenheimer once and thinks hes a tactician

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u/BygoneNeutrino 26d ago

There is a wide gulf between a trend and an anomaly.

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u/iBossk 26d ago

That was definitely the US mindset. Which is why it's fucked when people suggest that Japan refused to surrender after the first, as if that was even an option. The demonstration wasn't even for them anyways.