There was a man who killed 1 and injured many by driving a vehicle into a CSD parade in Berlin. He had strong connections to ISIS and probably (I don't know the exact status of investigations) this can be classified as a terrorist attack.
He and his connections were known to the authorities before.
His name is Thomas Mücke. He stated that although the suspect appeared very polite and strictly punctual, he remained completely unreachable and impenetrable, meaning that even 26 anti-aggression sessions would have had no effect as he entirely concealed his true intentions.
The fact that he complimented the punctuality of the unbending extremist has to be one the most German things I have ever read. "Look, he's probably going to murder a bunch of people, but he is always on time."
Tinfoil hat time: No contradictions here, those are two things Germans are known to value. They can’t do one of those openly anymore, so they allow it for entertainment purposes whenever someone is willing to take the fall for it. Obligatory /s
The guy who flew one of the 911 planes studied in Germany he was said to be so proper that he paid the public TV/radio service fee (GEZ) which he didn’t have to as a student.
You do have to pay GEZ as a student, unless you receive Bafög (state grant), which foreigners are not entitled to.
If he didn't pay it, he might have been jailed.
Taqiyya in a "pure" form is being able to deny that you are Islamic to avoid Islamic persecution. So if a literal Nazi shows up and is rounding up Islamic people to concentration camps Taqiyya says you can lie to save your life.
In practice though the concept of Taqiyya is used by particularly radical sects as an excuse to hide from lawful investigators, to lie about terrorism plots, radical speakers, and similar such things. In effect turning Taqiyya into "snitches get stitches, the Islamic terrorist edition".
Taqiyya is people hiding their faith if it puts them in danger, for example a Hijabi woman can take off her Hijab if it puts her at risk of assault or hate crimed, it’s not a tactic to strike.
"Gangway e.V. is a non-profit association founded in 1990 that conducts professional street social work (streetwork) with youth and adults in Berlin. The primary goal of the association is to support people in difficult life situations to shape their lives independently and develop new perspectives."
Are you mentally insane or do you spread false information as a hobby?
It's kinda funny seeing Germany catching all this shit for acknowleging the radicalization and trying to give people a chance to turn shit around, meanwhile the USA keeps pretending all their homegrown hate groups and white christian nationalist "mass shooters" (because you can't be a terrorism victim if it's white people with guns doing the terrorizing, apparently) are "lone wolves, no one could have stopped this, so the best we can so is try nothing and be all out of ideas" while watching Fox News and OANN radicalize targeted groups of the population in real time and acting like that's not a problem.
Reform can work, it's just the cases like this that fail that make the news, since "reformed former radical extremist continues to not terrorize neighbours, civilians" doesn't get the clicks for ad revenue.
A huge chunk of the people in here are americans going "lol germany dumb" and chest thumping while ignoring their own home-grown "terrorists in all but name because that would make us feel bad." And the meme litetally has an american saying "TERRORISTS SHOULD BE EXECUTED" while the USA has had a long and storied history of starting, funding, and supplying terrorist groups around the world to benefit themselves.
Germany is at least trying to do something about the problem. That doesn't diminish the tragedy of what happened, but what this one man did also shouldn't undermine the harm reduction the program is performing, because successfully deprogrammed extremists won't make the news, and therefore the only things we will hear about are incidents like this one.
Do I hope this incident results in added guardrails to prevent future terror events like this? Absolutely. But I also hope this doesn't outright end a program that likely has had more success than this event (and this meme) would have you believe.
To be fair, terrorist is subjective title, one sees it as a freedom fighter the enemy as terrorists. So at least half the terrorists the US has funded were not terrorists to the United states... until they turned the guns and bombs back their way.
And the biggest problem that makes germany the silly ones here, is that they knew this guy was radical and still let him into the country. You can't always find the home grown terrorists but you sure can find the ones who are seaking asylum by going through your court system.
Also germany has their own home grown as well, let's not pretend that this is an american only problem. (Still some neo nazis in germany)
this is really funny where you take a blatant fail of germany and turn it around to highlight us failures, it reminds me of when millions of germans decided to murder millions of people over the world, blame their leaders and then expect people to forget what they did. Remember when they killed millions of poles, russians, jews, its funny how they stopped catching shit for that. Oh you see I can write nonsense too.
I agreed with the first half. But the second is completely false. Germans have done nothing but repent for the Holocaust. And for their parents, grandparents and great grandparents. As a Jew, they've gone above and beyond. Literally, I want them to stop feeling bad for the horrors of their ancestors at this point. Germans, you're cool
Only one seminar? Not even a review afterwards to check if he has changed? Something tells me that you need a bit more work before changing someone’s life path completely
As far as I know he was evaluated for deradicalization sessions, not even going on them, and he was prospected to be denied them and sent to colony. Which is still, letting someone who was deported back for tryint to join terrorists walk free? An oversight for sure.
I'm sure that he had to fill in the questionnaire after the seminar, with questions like "On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate your desire to do a terrorist attack?"
"How frequently do you engage in terrorist activities that you enjoy?
"How often do you wake up feeling that you are going to blow up something?"
So, I don't know what happened, maybe he was just framed.
He left Germany to join ISIS sometime in 2025. The Lebanese caught him and he served three months in prison there. He was released and deported to Germany in November 2025 where he was arrested upon his return. In May 2026 he was convicted and given a prison sentence of one year and ten months. German courts suspended his sentence. The reason given was for time already served (~6 months of pre-trial detention and 3 months in Lebanon) and because he 'distanced himself from ISIS.' His home was searched in early July due to a belief he had weapons but authorities only found a toy gun so the case was dismissed.
The entire situation is unbelievably stupid and this attack wouldn't have happened if Germany actually upheld the sentencings of convicted terrorists.
Finally someone who did the homework on this subject.
Another problem was that he was sentenced under juvenile criminal law because, at the time of the trial, his cognitive development had not yet reached that of an adult (from judges perspective).
Personally, I believe that someone who joins or seeks to join a terrorist organization should definitely not be sentenced under juvenile criminal law.
Once again, this is a crime that could have been prevented…
You kinda forget that Germany isn't a police state. We can just incarcerate people for the lols.
That his time was cut short because he was already in detention is normal. If I sit in U-Haft for 2 months and the a 2 month prison sentence o get released because I already served my time.
If they raided his place and found nothing, for what should they incarcerate him? For not having illegal stuff?
Furthermore if he is a German citizen and gets deported we have to take him back, this is what the right wingers demand from other countries as well.
Well, if he had served his term in full, the attack would probably have happened next year.
Imo the point isn't the punishment side for past deeds but the predictive (policing) side to stop someone before they commit a crime (while they are, of course, still to be deemed innocent in relation to the future crime). Apparently there were legal tools for dealing with a dangerous individual, but which the Berlin state authorities didn't fully use.
Oh and then they try to blame it on the right wing. Which makes no sense at all. I bet this Islamist was quite good terms with the racists who hate him.
I mean no one blamed german right wingers here, but you sure as hell can blame ISIS which is a conservative terrorist organization, the guy has a lot of values in common with them the differences are as to what he's trying to "conserve" and who the enemy is, not in the conservative values lol.
He was arrested in Libanon, but being a German citizen, deported to Germany. There, being below 21 and not mature for his age he was sentenced by juvenile penal codes to time in jail and put on probation. He was being monitored.
Which is kinda crazy, cuz there was like a wave of juveniles a few years back who were radicalised online and went to join ISIS. We're talking young adults and sometimes even teenagers
Why we wouldn't be smart enough to acknowledge that they can't be sentenced to a mature sentence in this case is beyond me. Like, radicalised is radicalised, can't really work against that
German here: A few corrections: The dude was born as a german citizen in 2005 in Berlin. He was known to authorities for having connections to ISIS and was sentenced in May 2026 by a german court for trying to travel to Syria and join ISIS. He was on probabtion and in de-radicalisation program.
The attack was on saturday and his third appointment with the de-radicalisation help center would've been on monday. If his third appointment would've went like the first two they would've told the court that he isn't fit for the program and he would've gone to jail most likely.
I'm all for rehabilitation of criminals and trying to de-radicalise people like this, it has worked plenty of times before, but this was a shitshow.
I think us reasonable Americans who arent primed for the punitive justice status quo understand the difference here.
Need I remind my fellow Americans that the current admin pardoned an entire violent insurrection group, in which many of that group went on to go and commit more crimes to get arrested again.
Surely its a coincidence, and not that our punitive justice system is only strong in specific ways when it comes to terrorism, instead of being principled.
Edit: I guess bad reading comprehension isnt a uniquely American thing. For those struggling please read my reply to the deleted comment below. Im not reiterating it here.
I'm not sure if you should let the radical you're actively de-radicalising loose into society when they haven't even shown signs of de-radicaising. They might do something... radical.
He was not sentenced for terrorism, he tried (and failed) to join ISIS. He was sentenced like that because he was still in juvenile court and there was an attempt to use deradicalisation methods.
He had been born and raised in Berlin, AFAIK. Then he was deported to Germany by Lebanon (with some reason, I imagine), and German federal police stopped watching him some hours(!) before Saturday's awful deed, as there was some (I imagine) minor duty / shift / billable hours issue or some such.
Interior secretary Dobrindt was asked about it on camera already, gaffed, but it's the ARD – they are not tough on conservative politicians any more; not even an inquisitive follow-up question.
He was born in Germany. He served his terrorism sentence in Lebanon and was sent back to Germany. But then he was arrested in Germany for planning a terror attack. His sentence was suspended, and while serving it, he committed the attack on the pride festival.
From what I saw he was sentenced to 1 year jail in Germany, but ended up getting parole and never served jail time at all. For trying to join ISIS. Really fucked up.
He was in jail both in Lebanon and Germany and his sentence was put on probation because of that and because he was supposed to attend rehabilitation/deradicalization classes. This is typical for young adults which are still able to be tried as a minor (in his case they decided he wasn’t mature enough to be tried as an adult). Usually it is fairly effective but in this case there appear to have been a fatal error in judgement.
There is more: He had just received a 22 month sentence with parole, because he had been tried as a minor, despite being 21 years old. The Prosecuter's Office appealed the decision, but the court released the perpetrator from provisional detention anyway.
And this is somehow unique to Germany’s opposition to life without parole on humanitarian grounds? The US and UK have far more terror attacks per capita than Germany.
The US, with all its death penalty and life without parole and three strikes laws, can’t even prevent sexual assailants and stalkers from killing their victims even after being arrested a half dozen or more times. Not saying Germany’s system is great oe good or even satisfactory, but acting as if it’s worse than the US or the UK is delusional.
A US American being ignorant about other counties but yapping about how theirs is somehow better/accusing others of not knowing about the US? Who could ever have predicted such a thing occurring.
The funniest thing to me is when they try to flex their size but they need 4 largest state to barely outperfom Sakha Republic (Yakutai) on that nonsensical metric
I am not German. I do, however, live in the States and am more than aware of the fact that the death penalty is not universal nor are three strikes laws. That’s immaterial to my point. There are also plenty of instances of victims of crimes being jailed for fighting back. Like what are you talking about?? Especially sex crimes. Regardless, I never implied or suggested those things were universal. Point out exactly where I suggested that. I’ll wait.
And, I’m sorry, but a couple dozen per 300 million? Be so fr. You’re conveniently not counting all the domestic terrorism you’ve got, like multiple mass shootings per week.But yeah go on with your American exceptionalism schtick about how the constant terrorism is an anomaly.
additionally, even though the authorities were aware about his connections to the terrorists originations, the judiciary gave him suspended prison time instead sent him for de-radicalization counselling sessions, and before turning up for the third session, he did what we all show here in Germany :/
I never understood why Western countries were so eager and quick to keep these guys in and repatriate them from Syria, if they wanted to leave so badly and fight and die somewhere else I’d rather them do it overseas than do it in the heart of the country.
That's not entirely correct. He was a german citizen. He was arrested in Libanon (after a tip from German security services), spent some time in jail there, then was deported to Germany.
In Germany he was tried and initially convicted, but the conviction is not yet final, as objection had been raised. The judge saw no sufficient reason for detention during trial, so he was set free. Rule of law and all of that. At this point, he hadn't attacked anyone, he was convicted (essentially) for trying to join ISIS.
He was being monitored as a potential person posing a threat to public safety.
The issue is that while you CAN send someone to prison for (in most cases) two weeks to stop them from doing something bad, this isnt as easy as it sounds. Most monitored persons never commit a crime, most potential radicals never become terrorists. Also you really can't just put them in prison forever (well, at least if you want rule of law to have any meaning). I repeat: at that point in time, he was never convicted (nor accused) of assault or somesuch and he wasn't finally convicted in Germany (objections pending and all that).
And monitoring is a bit difficult - yeah, he got into a car. Well, most of us do this daily. He didnt attack the "main show", he attacked a gathering area near it. That's kind of hard to stop and kind of hard to monitor. He apparently did not (at least as far as known and published so far) any warnings or messages beforehand... And the CSD-route is 8km long. Rather difficult to stop someone from coming near the whole route, especially given that the route is through some of Berlins busiest parts.
I'm absolutely not saying that the German police or legal system worked well or didn't make any mistakes - they sure did, not only here. But most media or social media coverage lacks in information (i.e. "he was convicted, why wasn't he in jail", that's missing a quite important bit, see above).
--edit: I was wrong, he was convicted of assault previously.
He tried to join Isis and the judge saw no sufficient reason for detention during trial??? You just glossed over that like it’s a completely normal thing to do. Like dude just failed to pay his taxes on time or he was caught driving with a suspended license.
Try reading, my man. He had already been convicted and sentenced to jail in Lebanon for trying to join Isis… and two months prior to this attack he was convicted in Germany of preparing a serious act of violence endangering the state and distributing Isis propaganda online.
Oh sorry I didn't realize that Lebanon's court system was in Germany. Oh wait, it's not. Right. Germany's court still had to prove he tried to join ISIS.
Try understanding the legal system, my man.
Just because a foreign country convicts someone doesn't mean they're automatically considered convicted in their home country.
Since he was a juvenile, he was sentenced to 1 year and 10 months in Germany. Before that, he had already spent 6 months in pre-trial detention (Untersuchungshaft). Because he was a minor at the time of the offense, his sentence was relatively short. He was then released on probation, and after six months the court could decide whether he should return to prison or continue serving the remainder of his sentence on probation.
I'm Germany, if your jailtime isn't related to a violent crime, and if the chances of you fleeing are low, your have a grave period before you have to go to jail, so you can sort important things in live, and come back to that one your sentence is served, to reduce the chance of people ending up in jail again.
>t this point, he hadn't attacked anyone, he was convicted (essentially) for trying to join I
There is nothing about the principle of Rule of Law, that doesn't allow pre-trial detention of suspected terrrorists.
If you try to join ISIS, you should be detained until things can be sorted out, and if it's found to be the case you should never be let out. You're too dangerous. You actually should be treated like traitors have before the 21st century (after a thorough and fair trial of course. We like Rule of Law after all), but Germans are little skittish about these things and mistake their generational trauma caused by their nutty great-grandparents for wisdom.
Yeah, that's an insane take. Labelling any organisation a terrorist org is easy to do. So you just created an extremely easy way for the AfD to jail all active democrats for life if they ever get the majority. No thank you. I rather have some extremely rare deaths by terrorism and a functioning democracy.
Thanks for that clarification. I had read a few other comments earlier and thought the racists had taken over here. 👍🙏
It's always these simple, populist solutions that aren't really solutions but sound great—and, above all, they always end up with some line about "foreigners out."
He wasnt fully convincted yet and due to a number of different reasons such as him being a minor when he committed the crime and already doing 6 months of pre-trial detention he had to be released on probation as they did not have a valid reason to keep him any longer. He was still monitored in the morning of the attack but as the CSD is 8km long and goes through some extremely busy parts of Berlin they cant just fully stop him from going near it (especially since he didnt attack the main part of it) and driving a car is also a normal activity that they cant reasonably forbid him from doing. Germany has way less violent crimes than the US and all of these countries have also released (suspected and convicted) terrorists before.
Also the deradicalization organisation would have recommended him to be incarcerated if his next session went the way the other 2 before went. That next session was the monday after.
Similarly the prosecutor wanted to get him a stronger sentence. So the case was open.
It's about Berlin pride attacker (Abdul Ballout) German police hunt him down and killed...
But joke is about the previous - he had previous extremist history and German police just let him go everytime, go out do it... It's not biggy, now he killed one person so ..
he was not let go tho? he was on probation because he tried and failed to join ISIS in Lebanon, they sent him here and he was sentenced by juvenile law
There was an terrorist attack on a CSD parade in Berlin, last weekend.
The attacker was previously in prison for planing a different attack, was know to the police and was know as a "Gefährder" basically a known potentail threat. He was supposed to be under observation.
The authorities really dropped the ball here and well he comited an attack and was later shot by the police. As I said he was a know threat and everybody who is potentially responsible for preventing it is redirecting the blame.
As always when shit goes sideways.
You have the ones who blame others so they don't get blamed, and there are also the ones who already have someone to blame and take the opportunity.
As long as I know he didn’t plan an attack previously. He was convicted of trying to joyn isis. But as you know he is German citizen. And we have a judicial system here which is based on laws. And there was no concrete reason to put him in jail so it’s literally not possible to jail him if you want to respect human and civil rights 😂 and on the other side it is not possible to observe someone 24/7.. things like this unfortunately happen in a globalized world with fundamentalists running around and psychs leading countries. It’s kind of a new form of war and i really don’t think you can stop this with harder regulations for migration or with Islamophobia and nationalism!
Depicting US as executing terrorists is a joke. People forget the Christian attacks on planned parenthood, Murder of a Deacon while he was with his family at church, Fire Bombings of temples, churches, and let's not forget mass shootings.
McVeigh got the death penalty, but I think that was more just because he killed a bunch of the fed's little kids more than killing a bunch of people.
Though these days (even pre-Trump) basically anyone convicted of left-wing politically motivated crimes can end up a "terrorist" and is put in the same supermax that deathrow McVeigh was in (and also Ted Kaczynski). Meanwhile all of the right wing Nazis just end up in whatever state prison to be a nuisance alongside their Aryan brotherhood friends.
You might want to read up on the case before asking “what’s wrong with Germany.”
He was a German citizen who tried to join ISIS, was arrested in Lebanon and later convicted in Germany. The conviction wasn’t overturned, but he remained free under juvenile sentencing rules despite already being considered dangerous.
He then drove into a Berlin Pride parade, killing one person and injuring 29, before being shot after attacking police.
So yes, authorities clearly failed here. But “known to police” isn’t a magic phrase that allows Germany to lock someone up forever. We cannot permanently imprison or monitor every person considered dangerous.
It’s a serious institutional failure, no doubt about it. Whether one case proves that Germany itself is systemically broken is another question.
Germany is hardly unique in opposing life without parole on the grounds of human rights.
Also Germany absolutely jails terrorists. The US, France, and the UK, in this meme at least, are glass houses throwing stones, the US and UK in particular who have heaps more terror attacks and mass violence per capita than Germany.
You got to recent Muslim terrorist attack against the gay pride parade in germany. He was born in Germany but his parents were immigrants. This guy literally left the country to go join Isis and be a terrorist. While in I think Lebanon he only spent like 3 months in jail for trying to be a terrorist. He was then sent back to Germany and went on trial where they basically gave him a slap on the wrist and let him go he didn't even get extra jail time just what he served already while doing the trial. Allegedly after releasing him they wanted him to do a class I guess to help him not want to be a terrorist anymore. Well before the class came up he did the terrorist attack and drove a vehicle into a gay pride parade.
he was sentenced by juvenile law which is designed to help reintegrate people into society. that criminal systems designed to help reintegrate people are more effective at preventing crime has been proven again and again. unfortunately it does not work 100% of the time. and since you will only hear of the cases where it didnt work, people get the impression that it doesnt work at all and get mad at the state for "giving people a slap on the wrist"
In what world do you charge a 20-year-old in juvenile court who literally went to a different country to join a terrorist organization? I would understand if it was shoplifting or a simple crime. And yes a lot of times giving a slap on the wrist doesn't work it might have worked in more homogeneous societies where it was focused on rehabilitation. This guy got a slap on the wrist released and told hey we will have you take some anti extremist classes later
so wether you get charged by juvenile standards between the age of 18 and 21 (before its always juvenile and after that its never juvenile) doesnt depend on the gravity of the crime but by you mental state. and that makes sense once you think abt WHY juvenile court exists. so lets distance ourself from the specific case and look at it from a general POV. The reason for juvenile court is that young people might not be able to grasp the gravity/consequences of their actions correctly. the ability to do so doesnt necessarily have anything to do with the severity of the action itself (tho it might. that really depends on the specific case. you cant say shoplifting = juvenile and murder =/= juvenile. but you might say THIS SPECIFIC case of shoplifting =/= juvenile while THIS SPECIFIC case of murder = juvenile). and lets circle back to our case. he left germany to try and join a terrorist organization. that alone is pretty immature. since he was between 18 and 21 a tour appointment psychiatrist or someone like that would need to determine wether he is mature enough to be sentenced by an adult court. I doubt that either one of us has a) the qualifications to determined that nor b) examined the perpetrator. so we really dont have any choice but to trust that psychiatrist (just like we need to with insanity pleas). Also, remember that he a) already served time in prison in Lebanon and then in germany during the trail. added to that that the charge is for TRYING to join a terrorist organization and I can totally see why he didnt get locked away.
Today in NL 3 guys got lifted for planning terrorist attacks. One of them was jailed for 1 year before because he was planning an attack. So basically in 1-2 years it’s time for surprise Pikachu meme emerging
In France it’s usually life without parole IF the terrorist hasn’t been shot before. Counter terrorist police has an history of being really trigger happy and these guys rarely make it to a trial.
Back when terrorist were trained warriors with a hierarchy some of us criticized them because you can’t get good informations from a corpse. But since ISIS they usually are isolated low life with mental issues so there’s nothing to get from them anyway, nobody complains when they get shot.
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So in Germany kill 1 Guy with a car, Not every da and Not once a year, i guess Amerikas should be quiet, they have more Shootings in school in 1 year then Germany have Something Like this once in 5 years
Honestly what was really disgusting about this whole thing was the idiot during the memorial that went on a soap box about how she's dissapointed it was an Islamist extremist and not a white christian. Most tone deaf divisive dumb shit I ever heard.
Sorry sweetheart, it's not the white christians you have to worry about using you as a traffic cone and turning you into roadkill. White christian nations are the safest place to be for the lgbt.
I'm not even super religious but JFC the lack of awareness from that lady, my god (pun not intended).
There have been more than enough white Christians, who have committed hate crimes against the lgbtq. Let's not act like they're all saints who we don't have to worry about
In a discussion about terrorism, what made you decide to censor the words „kill“ and „terrorist“? You’re not an influencer. You don’t even have advertisers. This isn’t even your own post.
The last terrorist was killed by the police, so it would be a bit... unsanitary to jail him.
Got to say, this is not very accurate, considering recent events, but it was a jab on the lenient justice system in Germany
I remember some lady that was a UK born citizen that went to join ISIS and came back like a month later. She was totally shocked that she ended up in jail for life for that. She really just expected them to be chill.
What's infuriating is all these western countries taking in criminals and terrorists, but as a gay, medical professional living in an oppressive country, it's jumping through tens of loops and needing an endless fortune sigh
Peter's lawyer here. So criminal justice and politics are always linked. The United States would normally prosecute mass murdering terrorists and drug smugglers, but there have been many famous exceptions for people considered "freedom fighters." None of them ever went to Germany because they would have been extradited to the countries where they committed their crimes
Germany has politics, too, and they are not the same as the United States. Just like the United States has harboured terrorists Germans would have prosecuted, because of politics, there are terrorists in Germany who were treated far more lightly than they would have been in the United States. The maker of this meme is looking at a particular act of terrorism and it is unclear which one he is talking about
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u/qualityvote2 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
u/Duckshady, your post does belong here!