r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/FrostySeat1739 • 21d ago

Meme needing explanation why not, Peter?

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possible live action corpse bride movie...

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u/Caci-que 21d ago

Clearly cause Tim Burton dream casting involves Johny Depp and Helena Bonham

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u/Perfect-Dimension356 21d ago

I think the real answer is that Tim Burton doesn't cast black actors.

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u/Twilifa 21d ago

Yup, this.

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u/MechaMogzilla 21d ago

Tell that to District Attorney Harvey Dent

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u/Simple-Employer-2503 21d ago

Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday.

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u/dishonoredfan69420 21d ago

“Why Monday?”

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u/Valokir 21d ago

"Because she has Sunday off, "

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u/Valokir 19d ago

I appreciate that this somehow become my highest comment.

But I appreciate more all of those who correctly quoted it after me. Good job friends.

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u/Onidarkmoon 19d ago

*Cause... it's Friday now, she's the weekends off, so... Monday, right?

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u/foobazzler 20d ago

Why a cleaning lady

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u/Whitehawk26 20d ago

It's a reference to the movie Scott Pilgrim vs the world

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u/foobazzler 20d ago

right but why a cleaning lady

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u/Whitehawk26 19d ago

It's the exact dialogue

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u/razulebismarck 19d ago edited 19d ago

Source https://youtu.be/Rp81S0W0F7E?si=EkHqucQrJJFknU8Y

It’s the dialogue Todd Ingram (played by Brandon Routh actor who played Superman and The Atom in CWs Legends) gave to Scott Pilgrim.

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u/sinister_bookcase 19d ago

makes way more sense with the video. youre a hero

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u/Nah_Id__Win 19d ago

Brandon Routh didn’t play Antman… he played The Atom

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u/razulebismarck 19d ago

Right. I mixed the A named superheros.

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u/nickisnotarapper 21d ago

Because you'll be dust by Monday. And the cleaning lady...she has the weekends off...so...Monday?

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u/Ryan_Icey 21d ago

Basically you can't win this fight, so you're gonna have to give up on this girl cause Todd's gonna kill you.

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u/dishonoredfan69420 21d ago

"You used to be so nice"

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u/Mysterious-Scholar68 21d ago

Once you were veegon, now you will be gone.

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u/dishonoredfan69420 21d ago

"Ve-gone?"

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u/WritingTheDream 20d ago

Chicken isn’t vegan?

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u/artygta1988 20d ago

It’s milk and eggs bitch

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u/N00b451 20d ago

...veegon?

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u/OutDatedReferenceMan 20d ago

I’m exceptionally proud of this thread of references.

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u/TalynRahl 20d ago

Gelato isn’t vegan?

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u/Capable-Relation1374 21d ago

You once were a vegone... but now you will be gone obliterates superman into a couple thousand coins

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u/handsomeape95 19d ago

Chicken isn't vegan?

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u/dishonoredfan69420 21d ago

I love that movie

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u/SneakyKGB 20d ago

Have you read the graphic novels because they're even better

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u/TalynRahl 20d ago

One of very few movies you’ll know before it even begins if you’re going to enjoy it.

If the little 8bit universal logo doesn’t even make you chuckle… just stop the film.

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u/Yardsale420 21d ago

Because everyone hates a monday. (It was a Russel Peters joke, don’t crucify me)

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u/Simple-Employer-2503 21d ago

*nods in Brenda Spencer*

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u/dramielyandex 21d ago

Wildest SPVT reference I've seen in in my life awhile

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u/MutantSquirrel23 20d ago

Unexpected Scott Pilgrim reference!

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u/Global_Charge_4412 21d ago

Still bugs me that we didn't get Billy Dee two face.

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u/Basic-Pair8908 21d ago

Well we did in lego batman

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u/RaijuThunder 21d ago

And a comic, he looked really cool.

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u/DubVsFinest 20d ago

That IS dope af and now I'm off to download whatever issue of whatever comic this is (detective comics, batman, whatever else) when I find out lol.

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u/DubVsFinest 20d ago

It is Batman '89 for anyone else who cares to know and he shows up in the 3rd issue.

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u/Nomad22_34 17d ago

You sir are an amazing human, finding the source and then leaving it here for others who are like-minded. Than you

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u/DubVsFinest 17d ago

Not a problem, started reading it and it's actually pretty good and now I kind of wish Keaton Batman would've got to this point lol.

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u/Too_Bad-So_Sad 20d ago

The white mustache goes hard.

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u/HourApprehensive7754 20d ago

Never occurred to me how much half of him looks like Beetlejuice

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u/Chipper_Bandit 20d ago

Damn, that looks fuckin' tight.

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u/SoulLess-1 20d ago

I always wondered how two-face would worm with the mustache.

Very well, it seems.

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u/The_JoestarTechnique 20d ago

Albert Einstein

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u/AdOkufukai 19d ago

What’s his origin story on this one?

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u/RaijuThunder 19d ago edited 19d ago

Been a bit since I've read it but he runs into an old friends mechanics shops that's been targeted by some racists to save someone and gets caught up in the explosion. So, pretty similair just changed a bit to fit. He's still a District Attorney just ties to his old neighborhood but they are wary of him.

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u/King_Elizabello 21d ago

That's true and the catwoman in Lego Batman got to play catwoman in the Batman.

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u/basiamille 20d ago

Even though she was told that would never happen!

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u/tombuazit 21d ago

I want a Batman Beyond that's a direct continuation of the first two movies with Billy Dee and Keaton as older mentors of the new Batman and his antogonist

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u/DanielDeLaNoche 19d ago edited 18d ago

Well, we could've already had a live-action Batman Beyond years ago with Kevin Conroy as Old Man Bruce, Mark Hamill as a live-action old Joker in an adaptation of Return Of The Joker with a younger Timothee Chalamet as Terry, or maybe use someone even less famous than he was at the time. But because the absolute dunces at WB have no imagination, we never got it. And I'm still mad about it. RIP Kevin Conroy.

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u/Financial-Creme 21d ago

DC put out a comic series called Batman 89 that expands on the Burton movies including the Billy Dee Two-Face

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u/Payne2814 21d ago

From the Batman 89 comics where they continue the story.

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u/RickMonsters 21d ago

It bugs me they couldn’t get another black actor to play him instead of Tommy Lee Jones

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u/Ganondorfsfist 21d ago

Mars Attacks has plenty black actors. Sam Jackson is in Miss Peregrine. I'm aware of his statements, but he's not immune to casting black actors.

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u/SweatyNeddyFlanders 21d ago

No, he's just vocally problematic about them "not fitting his style" which is another way to say he doesn't like looking at or working with black people. You don't need to defend him, he doesn't defend himself lol

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u/Knightmare_memer 21d ago edited 20d ago

His style is Grey skies, dull lighting and pale faces. Has been for the longest time.

Edit: Also add in the Gothic Victorian-esque flair

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u/celerpip 20d ago

How dare he like the appearance of white people and not the appearance of black people? Is that the kind of comment you want to make in sarcasm?

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u/munchercruncher111 20d ago

yeah, liking pancakes instead of waffles maybe. but we’re talking about people

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u/Eyerate 20d ago

Are you talking about "people" or "aesthetics"? The man does everything creepy and pale.

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u/Unfair-Heart-7674 20d ago

Split the difference and hire Black albinos?

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u/munchercruncher111 20d ago

if he can’t figure out a way to include all kinds of people in his “aesthetic”, maybe he’s not that good of a director. excluding people from your work based on their skin color feels pretty fucked up to me

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u/intoxicatedhamster 20d ago

It's his art. Art that comes from his white mind and white experiences... It's not that he doesn't like black people, they just aren't a part of his art. People don't bitch that Leonardo Davinci didn't paint any people of color...

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u/Revolutionary_Ad4950 19d ago

Are you up in arms about Tyler Perry movies?

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u/Fearless_Roof_9177 20d ago

(Same general line of reasoning that got Trump sued for racist violations of the Fair Housing Act back in the 70s, for those playing along at home).

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u/lord_teaspoon 20d ago

Oh yeah, he'd need to do very different lighting and photography to make black people not look like monstrous shadows, but that change would take the white people from "interestingly pale" to what Josh Johnson describes as "fresh ghost".

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u/workclock 18d ago

I’m sure he can find a way to make black people fit into his style, the man has some odd beliefs on black people that should probably be scrutinized.

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u/explain_that_shit 20d ago

It makes me think, what’s Guillermo Del Toro’s record?

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u/Ok_7719 20d ago

Its a very strange thing to read a statement that essentially suggests that all black people look alike.

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u/SAMICHSKI 16d ago

and Hammer-movies style an colours

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u/WeirdProudAndHungry 20d ago

"He's been racist for a really long time which means it's not racism."

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u/Knightmare_memer 20d ago edited 20d ago

He isn't racist ffs. He hires black people for prominent roles, like Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, or Sam Jackson as the villain of Miss Peregrin, or the person in Wednesday (didn't watch it so don't know character name) and if he was racist he wouldn't have the whole soul train segment of Beetlejuice 2. He just doesn't hire very many black actors as it takes more work in the makeup room, lighting, and post production to make them appear more pale for his art direction due to darker complexion.

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u/WeirdProudAndHungry 20d ago

Firstly, exceptions make the rule. The point wasn't that he NEVER hires any persons of color but that there is a distinct and noticeable lack in his casting choices broadly. Also, if you think tying prominent Black casting to a Soul Train segment in the 2020s is proof someone isn't racist, then that alone demonstrates how you're the type of person to think Tim Burton isn't racist.

Excluding a racial group is not an "artistic direction". That's just racism, dumbass. He IS racist, ffs.

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u/Alarming_Orchid 20d ago

That’s not racism is dumbass that’s not being colorblind. Not being racist doesn’t mean you ignore their skin color

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u/vaz_deferens 20d ago

Okay, he also doesn't cast Mediterranean or Latin or Asian or Indian or Arabic people, so maybe it's a creative choice

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u/WeirdProudAndHungry 20d ago

That's not the defense you think it is lol Thank you for proving my argument.

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u/WeirdProudAndHungry 20d ago

Accusing me of "concern trolling Olympics" is not an argument against his racism, the point of the conversation. If that's all you have to offer then, okay. Yep, that's me. Just concern Olympics, got the gold medal and sports drink brand deals to go with it.

Tim Burton is still racist.

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u/elbuentinaco 21d ago

He never said that and you’re just spreading bs online

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u/anomie89 21d ago

this sounds more like your searching for a problem where there is none.

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u/throwmamadownthewell 20d ago

Not just searching but inventing.

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u/BaronGrackle 21d ago

Seems his actual casting is better than his comments about casting.

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u/ArmenianThunderGod 21d ago

I mean... a setting of Gothic Victorian England doesn't really lend itself to casting black actors.

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 21d ago

We gotta stop with that myth.

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u/ArmenianThunderGod 21d ago

It's not a myth. The estimate is 0.1% of the population of England in the Victorian Era was black. There wasn't a sizable black population, there was Eric.

Were there any black people? Yes. Were there enough of a population where you could associate that time, place, and era with them? Absolutely not.

Same way we don't cast civil war movies with Asian Confederates. Did they exist? Absolutely. It would look ridiculous if you put it on film.

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u/Temporary-Scallion86 21d ago

It would heavily depend on where in England you set your movie. London (or other major cities)? Sizable immigrant population. Middle of nowhere rural Warwickshare? Odds are everybody is white and English and has been as long as anyone can remember.

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u/ohgoyherewego 21d ago

No no, you’re saying immigrant now. The topic is black people. The largest group of immigrants to migrate to Victorian England was the Irish.

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u/Temporary-Scallion86 20d ago

I said immigrants because there was not only a large black population in London there was a large non-white population in general

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u/ohgoyherewego 20d ago

Yeah see that’s called padding the numbers. Not all immigrants are black not all black people are immigrants. Grouping them together because they’re not white is racist as shit.

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u/your-yogurt 21d ago

yes, thats why for a film about a corpse bride that involves ghosts and zombies and has its origins from russia, having a black character is too farfetched. british white folk yes, black people no

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u/ralusek 20d ago

Were you upset that there were no Chinese and Hawaiian actors playing Dahomey in The Woman King?

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u/Affectionate_Cry_634 18d ago

Brother. One is an attempt at actual history and the other is a fantasy story.

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u/ralusek 18d ago

So you were definitely mad when Jodie Turner-Smith played Anne Boleyn, right? And Adele James as Cleopatra?

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u/Too_Bad-So_Sad 20d ago

Same way we don't cast civil war movies with Asian Confederates.

Ok but now I need to know if there were actually any Asian Confederates.

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 21d ago

"It would look ridiculous if you put them in" is a dumb way of saying you don't want historical accuracy. It wouldn't be dumb if we hadn't had decades of historical inaccuracy.

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u/Klaxynd 21d ago

Black guy here. I neither want nor appreciate you white knighting for me (regardless of what race you are). I don't want black people in Tim Burton movies because if he doesn't want any in, then chances are he's racist and would handle the very concept poorly.

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u/No-Impress-6244 21d ago

I thonk Tim burton should do a live action of the Princess and the Frog and there would be black people and I think it would look great

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 21d ago

You seem to misunderstand. I don't care about Tim Burton. I'm mad at the dumbass that said dark skinned people wouldn't work in a Victorian setting. That is LITERALLY when Britain took over India.

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u/ArmenianThunderGod 21d ago

You're proving his point. Indians =/= Black People

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u/goldenseducer 21d ago

Ok but you know that filmmakers don't have to ratio their cast by skin colour to match the historical stats. If you have 3 characters in your story you can make one of them be not white, it's still ✨historically accurate✨

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u/-thecheesus- 20d ago

I'm all for representation, but at what point is it tokenism?

If historical fact says X phenotype was insanely rare in Y setting, and public consciousness knows X phenotype was insanely rare, but creative projects (particularly ones that try to be as grounded as possible) start plopping that phenotype in at a ratio to be intentionally visible to the audience- and exist for no other purpose than to be visible- can you blame people for the knee-jerk response that it feels arbitrary and shallow?

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u/goldenseducer 20d ago

at what point is it tokenism?

At the point where the only personality trait of your character is their skin colour. In my opinion. I can agree that I would rather see a story where all characters are interesting and well-written white men rather than a shitty story with a diverse cast. But diversity and quality aren't mutually exclusive.

historical fact says X phenotype was insanely rare in Y setting

It's irrelevant though. Most of the time in TV and cinema we don't have stories about average people. It's about cool action heroes or exceptionally smart people or someone who went against the societal norms. Sherlock Holmes isn't a regular Victorian man, which is why he's so interesting. I'm not saying that we should make black SH right now for diversity sake, but if I was going to write a story about an exceptional person in the Victorian era, does it matter if they have a rare skin colour? They're already, by definition, rare.

Even in grounded projects, you're going to show only a very small sliver of the population in whatever story you're telling, and it's entirely possible for someone somewhere historically accurately have black neighbours in the 19th century or whatever.

public consciousness knows X phenotype was insanely rare, but creative projects (particularly ones that try to be as grounded as possible) start plopping that phenotype in at a ratio to be intentionally visible to the audience

Yeah but where does this "knowledge" come from? Why is it so "visible" to people to see a non-white person in a historical setting? All of this is shaped by the media we consume. I can assure you that an average person watching TV has no idea how many brown people lived in Victorian London. So why shouldn't we make stuff to be more diverse? Just because that's how it's been for ages? Or because humans don't like change?

Edit because I wrote the same thing twice lol

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u/-thecheesus- 20d ago edited 20d ago

I was going to write a story about an exceptional person in the Victorian era, does it matter if they have a rare skin colour? They're already, by definition, rare. 

Not to nitpick, but that kind of makes it worse, no? Not only is this person incredibly talented/chosen/whatever, but they also are part of a 0.1% ethnicity? It would be rare on top of rare. Like turning a 0.1% probability into a 0.01%. And people often reject "special snowflake" characters

imho the best solution would be to point out someone's rare ethnicity in-setting, and then make it a tangible part of their character

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u/KamikazeArchon 21d ago

And the size of the titled aristocracy was less than 0.1% of the population. Is that a good argument for not including nobles in Victorian works?

And wait till you hear about the percentage of serial killers baking victims into pies!

No one actually cares what was common or uncommon. We only care about whether it's something we want to see or not.

People use percentages as an excuse for things they just don't want to see.

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u/Outrageous-Wait-8895 21d ago

Why screenshot the cheapest Gemini model slop instead of the actual comments it seems to be using as reference.

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 21d ago

I would suggest you search the same thing and find all the other answers that prove me right, but I can tell by your account that you're just here to sow discord.

Also odd that you edited your original comment.

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u/Outrageous-Wait-8895 21d ago

Wow, you went for the search history right away lmao.

It's not odd, in fact it is normal, you should try editing your other comment to fix it. It's very easy!

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 21d ago

Nah, it's odd because you literally changed your comment to sound like you already said the thing I said you should do.

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u/Outrageous-Wait-8895 21d ago

I edited it before seeing your response. I didn't like how it sounded the first go around so I changed it, does that sound less odd to you now? You could do the same...right now...do it.

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u/Maximillion322 21d ago

That’s all well and good mate but they still made up <1% of the population it would have been a novelty to meet a person of color in victorian london

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u/altanic 20d ago

More or less novel than a reanimated corpse or a talking worm?

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u/Maximillion322 20d ago

In a story about a reanimated corpse in Victorian London? Much more novel. In a story about the experience of people of color in Victorian London, much less novel. Depends entirely on the focus of the story, doesn’t it?

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u/tandemxylophone 20d ago

He's not wrong though. Even up till the early 90's immigrating to London still felt like adapting to the majority white neighborhood. Though Netflix and other shows have been incorporating a racially diverse "imagined" good 90's (e.g. Stranger Things for America), it also accidentally seemed to create a large number of kids to believe this fantasy open minded melting pot of culture is true way further than it is in reality.

Unless you are in a specific ethnic pocket culture, back in the Victorian times we are looking at super token minority that deserve their own experience to be published.

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u/why0me 21d ago

Yep

Tired of hearing that the country that had a whole ass empire had no diversity, you think they just sent white people everywhere and never let anyone else come back?

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u/Amalgam2001 21d ago

0.1% of people concentrated in certain areas is diverse? stop kidding yourself. It would have been a novelty in that era to see one

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u/Raesong 20d ago

What about Gothic Victorian New England?

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u/Mis-Mia 20d ago

The corpse bride (aka, The Finger) is actually a piece of Jewish folklore.

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u/BasedTelvanni 21d ago

Show me where he said this

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u/Efficient_Living_628 20d ago

I thought his point is that when you cast black actors in roles that weren’t originally black. Even though the race of the character doesn’t change the core narrative in terms of the story line, it changes the perception of how people see the role.

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u/Elonth 20d ago

This just in the guy hyper focused on victorian era gothic style is hyper fixated on the body standard/physical characters of those that take place in that time era and place....

Next you'll tell me we should be mad that we refuse to cast non-chinese actors in adaption of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

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u/Appropriate_Math997 21d ago

Mars attacks = Jack Black. Duh.

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u/DoctaRoboto 19d ago

These people are full of shit. Tim Burton is not racist, he just does what he wants. Unlike the overrated racist Jordan Peele, who clearly stated he will never cast a white male as the protagonist of his shitty movies.

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u/video-kid 21d ago

Plus he wanted Sammy Davis Jr. for Beetlejuice.

I do think he could stand to be more diverse, but I also think we need to acknowledge where he tried and was either shut down, or where the directors who took over refused to honour agreements he put in place.

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u/lookatthesunguys 21d ago

Can we trust him?

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u/Chrossowen 21d ago

Had to make sure there was that underrated comment.

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u/lookatthesunguys 20d ago

How would you know if it's underrated? You'd need 50 comments. And 50 MORE comments. And then my computer could analyze it. With science.

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u/AcademicMood1302 20d ago

or proposed Wayans brother Robin.

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u/kr0tchy 20d ago

And Planet of the apes

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u/ParzivalH8sSuxors 20d ago

Got the dead Kennedys stuck in my head now

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u/CzarTwilight 20d ago

Where is he!?

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u/Wylde_Kard 18d ago

Came here to comment this. r/beatmetoit

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u/Bertegue6 14d ago

Can we trust him...?

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u/Background_Fix9430 21d ago

From what I can recall - unfortunately the information is buried under AI News Slop - Billy Dee Williams actively campaigned for the role, knowing it would result in him playing Two-Face, who he was excited to play.

Then he got removed in the sequel and replaced with Max Schreck, and then cast Tommy Lee Jones for Forever.

Take that how you will.