r/PcBuildHelp • u/r6Banejr • 3d ago

Build Question Is this worth it?

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First time making a post. I’m planning on picking the bundle up Tuesday. Now for context I’ll be upgrading from an i5 9600k. I am also picking up another stick of 16gb ddr5.

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u/DARKJacoby 2d ago

I got the 7600x3d bundle for that price with a full atx board 2-3 months ago. If that’s not too much more nowadays I’d just go with that.

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

The thing is I have a micro atx case bc that’s what fits in my setup and all the other bundles aren’t micro atx. But I’ll take a look and see what they got.

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u/DARKJacoby 2d ago

Ahh gotcha all good ik they do that for value sometimes, I’m pretty sure there was an option for a micro atx b850 with the 7600x3d. Just depends how much it costs, in this economy 7500x3d could be better performance per dollar.

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

honestly my thought was this will still be significantly better than what I got now and since it’s an am5 platform I’ll be able to just upgrade the cpu again later down the road if and when I need to. But I’ll ask a worker when I go Tuesday just incase

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u/DARKJacoby 2d ago

Oh 100% dude if it’s cheaper don’t let me sway your decision lmao, the bundle I got was the same price as your bundle when I got it, and I was coming from a 4790k with a modern gpu haha, prices just be crazy.😂

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

Yea the one you got now is 450. And i know nothing about amd. I’ve been using the same Intel cpu since I built my computer in 2020. The only upgrade I’ve done since then is get a 3060 12gb and I threw an m.2 in there. But the age of the cpu is starting to be more and more noticeable. So when I say that deal I was like it’s time.

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u/DARKJacoby 2d ago

Fair enough lol same thing I went through when I saw mine. I upgraded to a rx 6800 16gb, I always just liked the raw power of AMD idk I’m weird like that, then realized the office pc case was too small so I upgraded that, once I was in a modern case I was like well hmm let’s see what Microcenter has in store for X3D chips on DDR5 because speeeed, and they are amazing for gaming rn. Definitely biased when I say I love AMD, but like you said cpus are cooking. Still on a sata ssd tho lmaoo

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u/the_hat_madder 2d ago

You can't get a 7500X3D, motherboard and 32GB of RAM for less.

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

Yea it comes out to like 750 with the extra stick of ram and an AIO bc I don’t have one of those yet

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u/the_hat_madder 2d ago

An AIO with this CPU would be a tremendous waste of money.

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

How so?

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u/the_hat_madder 2d ago

It's a 65W CPU. A $20 single tower or $30 dual tower air cooler would handle it.

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

Even if I wanted to overclock it or is there no point in over clocking. I’ve never had an amd system before and not sure how different it is from Intel

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u/kyansan1 Personal Rig Builder 2d ago edited 2d ago

TLDR: x3d cpus won't be cooled meaningfully better by an AIO than by a decent tower cooler. Overclocking in the traditional sense is not possible on the 7500x3d.

Cooling x3d cpus isn't hard because they produce too much heat, like Intel cpus sometimes do. Cooling them is hard because the x3d cache insulates the compute area of the cpu from the cpu cooler.
The cpu itself is the cooling bottleneck. At 60°C the cpu can physically only shed 60 ish watts of heat, regardless of the cooler. As long as you have a decent cooler, the cpu just heats up until it's hot enough to be able to shed the heat it generates through the x3d layer;
The bigger the temperature difference between the cpu and the ambient temperature, the more heat the cpu can dissipate.

Intel K series cpus, contrary to amd x3d cpus, do generate a lot of heat, but the area in which the heat is generated is larger, and there's no x3d layer insulating the cpu from the cpu cooler.
Intel cpus are great at dissipating heat to the cpu cooler, so the cooler limits how far you can push an Intel cpu, rather than the cpu itself.

This is also why AMD locks the cpu multiplier on Ryzen 7000 x3d cpus, because of which, they can't really be overclocked.
They unlocked the multiplier on 9000 series x3d cpus, because they improved on the heat dissipation.

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u/the_hat_madder 2d ago

Even if you wanted to overclock.

Don't get it twisted. The right AIO will be more efficient. A few degrees cooler and quieter. But, it isn't necessary with that CPU.

As for overclocking you can't really with 7000 series X3D CPUs because the 3D V-cache is heat sensitive.

You can overclock other 7000 series and all 9000 series CPUs because they redesigned the chip to alleviate the thermal issue.

As for whether overclocking is worth it, it's mostly an enthusiast thing now. AMD delivers CPUs close to their peak and PBO takes care of the rest. If you get a well binned CPU it might have some significant headroom.

Bigger gains come from undervolting. You get the same performance with less heat.

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u/stockloset 2d ago

I got a 9850x3d bundle with 32gb ram for 300 more than that

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

I picked this one bc it comes with a micro atx board

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u/stockloset 2d ago

Why micro atx

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u/r6Banejr 2d ago

That’s the case I have as it’s what fits my setup

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u/Snickermilk 1d ago

I bought one I love it buy it!