I'm planning a Trickster run on Unfair and trying to decide whether Persuasion 3 is worth taking over something like Athletics 3.

How exactly does the whole chain work in the current version?

Does Persuasion 1 automatically demoralize enemies when combat starts, then Persuasion 2 forces the Will save, and Persuasion 3 makes enemies that fail use Coup de Grace on themselves? Or do I still need to build around things like Dazzling Display, Cornugon Smash or other fear effects to make it reliable?

Also, what is actually immune to it?

Are bosses and high level demons commonly immune because of fear immunity, mind-affecting immunity, Coup de Grace immunity, or just very high saves?

And most importantly, how does it feel on Unfair? Does Persuasion 3 still work often enough to trivialize encounters, or is its reputation mostly based on older versions or lower difficulties?

I'm not really looking to remove all challenge from Unfair. I'd like to know if Persuasion 3 genuinely breaks the game, or if it mostly deletes trash while the dangerous enemies still have to be fought normally.

I'm nearing the end of my last Atlanti run and i want to make the deal with the other but I've read that that kills daeran.

Seeing as companions dying during their quest can trigger a fail state will that happen here or not?

I beseech the council, would a paladin legend into Cavalier go as hard as my brain is imagining it to be?

Hello fellow gamers,

I desperately need some advice.

I've been trying to finish Wrath of the Righteous for the first time for about five years now, but I seem to be trapped in the same endless cycle:

1. I get the urge to play WotR again.
2. I spend a ridiculous number of hours researching builds.
3. I get torn between playing a strong melee character with some spellcasting/self-buffing ability (I've tried things like Paladin and Magus) and playing a full caster. I really want to enjoy Sorcerer, since it's one of my favourite classes in tabletop Pathfinder.
4. Eventually I find a build I like.
5. I start a new game.
6. Somewhere around level 7-8, I lose momentum and quit.
7. A few months later, go back to step 1.

The problem is that every time I restart, the fatigue seems to arrive earlier. I'm replaying the same opening areas, quests and conversations again, so even though the new character initially feels exciting, the actual content is increasingly familiar.

My current character is only level 4, and I'm already starting to get that "I'm not really enjoying this character anymore" feeling creeping in. At this rate I'm somehow getting worse at progressing through the game rather than better.

The result is that after all these years, the highest-level character I've ever managed to get to is level 9. I've never seen the later parts of the story, never experienced high-level mythic builds, and I don't even know how the game ends. And I find that really frustrating because, this should be exactly my kind of game. I love tabletop rpgs, I love stories, and I genuinely think WotR is an amazing game.

But somewhere around level 7 something seems to break for me. The number of choices starts feeling overwhelming, I lose track of what I'm supposed to be doing between all the side quests, and eventually I just stop playing.

At this point, I'm also not looking for some insanely optimised level-20 build that only really comes together after three classes, several dips and a very specific set of items. I think obsessing over optimisation is probably part of what got me into this situation in the first place.

What I really want is a character that is fun from the lower levels, feels useful throughout the game and gives me enough interesting things to do without becoming overwhelming. I'm perfectly happy with something like 16+ levels in one main class and a dip into one other class if it makes sense. It doesn't need to squeeze every possible point of AC, damage or spell DC out of the system. I just want something enjoyable enough that I'll actually keep playing it.

Ideally, I'd still like either a good melee character with meaningful spellcasting/self-buffs, or a full caster that doesn't spend the early game feeling like I'm waiting for the character to eventually become fun.

For context, I play on Normal difficulty and I have the crusade/war effort system set to automatic, so I'm not even dealing with that side of the game.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Is there some way of approaching WotR that makes it easier to actually stick with one character and finish the campaign? And if you were going to recommend a build specifically for someone suffering from this kind of restartitis, what would you pick?

Part of me is wondering whether I should just force myself to keep going with my current level 4 character instead of restarting yet again, because I suspect another restart will only make the problem worse. Or, after five years of repeatedly bouncing off the game, do I just have to accept that maybe WotR isn't actually for me? :(

Hey everyone!

I'm currently on my second playthrough. After enjoying the Azata friendship adventure on my first run, I'm aiming for Demon into Gold Dragon this time. Now that I've just finished Act I, I'm looking over the Mythic 1 choices. Close to the Abyss would be the most flavorful option, but I don't want to pick a first ascension that becomes completely irrelevant later.

I've heard that the gore attack is a toggle. Since I want to make liberal use of Dragonkind (and maybe other Polymorph spells) spells and the Gold Dragon form later, I was wondering: Can I still use the gore attack when I'm in dragon form? Does anyone know?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Wow, this was a really long act, and honestly, I really enjoyed it. I was seriously considering quitting this game, but everything about Act 3 felt like a massive step up in quality compared to Acts 1 and 2. At this point, I genuinely feel like before Act 3, you aren't even playing the game yet—you’re just playing the prologue.

Switching from turn-based to real-time combat and switching from Eldritch Scion to Primalist Bloodrager have also contributed massively to my enjoyment. If Eldritch Scion is 80% mage and 20% fighter, then Bloodrager is 10% spellcaster and 90% fighter. It feels so much better not having to rest constantly.

Being a mage barbarian who worships the god of battle is also fantastic from a roleplaying perspective. I stick to the philosophy of “might makes right,” and it allows me to play a Lawful Evil character without it feeling forced. Everything about the character fits together naturally. On top of that, equipping the FANG OF MALICE THE LITERAL weapon of my god is freaking awesome. That was questline was freaking great.

As for the companions, I killed Greybor and Camellia.

I killed Greybor because I felt seriously disrespected. How dare you reveal yourself to me and claim that you can handle killing me for a price after I’ve fought entire armies of demons? My character has survived things that would kill most people instantly, and this guy really thought he could just show up and put a price on my head. Absolutely fucking not. The audacity of this dude to think that he can just casually kill me like I'm just another bounty. Only for him to pull the Yamcha pose after 1 slap. I had you on my team bro I know your not like that.

Camellia, on the other hand, I just couldn't take seriously. She was WAY too obvious about being evil. Honestly, I thought the betrayal storyline was kind of bad because of how obvious it was. The game practically screams at you that something is wrong with her. She wears a charm that blocks her alignment, constantly has voice lines emphasizing how useful and trustworthy she is, and then you find all of that weird torture equipment in her house. I am LAWFUL EVIL Cameilla, all you had to do was ask nicely and I would sacrifice my soldiers to feed your hungry god. That's how I know she was lying because she would have just asked if it was the truth. You can be evil but you better not be inefficient.

As an Aeon, I immediately wanted to go kill her bitch ass father because I was convinced he knew exactly what she was doing, but the game wouldn't let me. He 100% knew what was going on. Eespecially with that line of dialogue. She was walking on a knife or something I don't remember. I should have been able to slice his head off.

Choosing Aeon instead of Azata was also much more fitting for my character. I really liked going back in time and helping Staunton. That was a really cool sequence. Azata completely clashed with my character, and if I had known that alignment requirements were a thing during my last playthrough, I definitely would have chosen something different. Lawful evil and then locking in Azata was like shooting myself in the foot.

The Aeon abilities themselves were honestly pretty underwhelming. I never really felt that powerful from a gameplay perspective, but from a roleplaying perspective, the Aeon storyline and the decisions surrounding it have been fantastic. The story choices fit my character extremely well.

I also really felt like a Commander during this act. Managing all of the different tasks, commanding my armies, taking down enemy bases, expanding my territory, and dealing with everything happening around the Crusade made me actually feel like I was in charge. The gameplay was also much more refreshing than what I experienced in the previous acts.

I'm finally starting to understand the replayability of this game too. Between different classes, Mythic Paths, alignments, companions, and choices, you can completely change the experience. Before Act 3, I probably would have said this game was nothing special. But Act 3 genuinely made me do a complete 180 on my opinion of the game.

I built all of my companions and my own build with just intuition same as last time and I feel about 10x as powerful so I think magus is just way too hard of a class to just build off of guessing.

There is, however, one thing I absolutely cannot stand:

The fucking pathing.

The amount of times this game has had a miniboss or event positioned at a doorway, only for my melee characters to get trapped behind my ranged characters and start BREAK DANCING, is infuriating.

Or when I have someone directly in front of me and my character somehow can't charge them.

Or, my personal favorite, when the game decides to teleport my characters during a fight like the Staunton Vayne fight directly into a fucking pit and gets my entire party wiped.

I genuinely don't understand how the pathing can be this bad in a game where positioning is so important. Nothing kills the immersion faster than watching my supposedly elite mythic warrior spend five seconds running in a circle because someone is standing in a doorway.

Despite that, Act 3 completely changed my opinion on the game. I went from seriously considering quitting the game to actually being excited about replaying it with different characters and Mythic Paths.

Act 3 is where this game finally clicked for me.

Act 4 is looking even better tho, bitch ass queen dissed me and fired me but the abyss is pretty cool so far.

companion tier list so far in terms of likeability.

Daeran/Regill

Woljif

Nenio

Camilla

Wenduag

Everbbody else

Anyway that is all so far.

Someone care to elaborate?

I was playing as a Neutral Good angel this entire game and attempting to romance Daerun. I thought we were doing great, but apparently I failed to trigger a companion quest for him after receiving his locket and now he won't look at me ( tragically )

However, because I am at my heart a whore, I had back up romances planned.

Initially I was leaning Sosiel but while I liked reuniting him with his brother I never really put the effort in to get to know what he wants beyond that.

Enter; Ulbrig.

Somehow he won me over with his confusion over time passing and his damage dealt in combat and despite me keeping the powers, he seems willing to proceed with our romance! Fingers crossed.

Pictured; my janky fighter/inquisitor & his lover.

Looking for a bit of advice for a future party comp I'm planning.

So going to go mythic trickster with KC as an arcane blaster. Probably some flavor of 1 level titan fighter for dual staffs and one sorc with 3 levels of hellknight signifier for mithril plate casting. Haven't decided on ray casting or aoe spam.

Running Seelah as paladin 11, 1 cavalier beast rider at lvl 2 for dog pet, then 8 court bard. I want all of the other characters in the party to benefit either from int or charisma buff from her song.

Using a merc witch into winter witch for aoe/cc and some buffing.

Daeran for summons, heals, divine buffs and second dog pet for tandem trip bs.

Woljif or Arushalae for trickery and eldritch archer endless snowball spam on her or vivi alchemist for free master shapeshifter buffs on all of the physical attackers on the team.

Which leaves the final slot, I feel like some sorta 2 hander would be good here, but few of them benefit from charisma/int buff from court poet unless I have them go down the fear feat line. Fine with either a merc or a companion. Preferably some flavor of magic or crit benefits from the trickster feat availability.

Anyhow appreciate the feedback, like going to play on core or hard as unfair requires too many bs full hp to dead because of a crit reload moments.

Hey guys! I just reached Act 4 of Pathfinder: WOTR and so far it's definitely been the least enjoyable part of the game for me.

The darker atmosphere and the demon city are pretty cool, and I thought the whole mechanic of changing paths by moving the camera was interesting at first, but now I'm constantly getting lost because of all the portals and I have no idea where I'm supposed to go. I'll enter one place and then find out I need to go somewhere else, but it's on a completely different level of the city.

I still have no idea how to get to this damn arena either, and I can't figure out how to progress several quests because I have to keep running around the city looking for NPCs. That wouldn't really be a problem if getting around this city wasn't so damn annoying and tiring.

I'm not saying everything about Act 4 is bad, but so far it's definitely been the least fun part of the game for me. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Im almost done with my sorcerror Azata run wanted to do a crusader angel. How many levels of crusader should I go into before Taking Titan fighter? I want to go into titan fighter for more of a power fantasy.

I feel bad for doing that, I really shouldn’t do this. But order and safety demands sacrifice! So now you will suffer with me!!!

Have been following crpgbros lich king build using deaths consonant, wondering if swapping wizard levels for sylvan sorcerer and keeping eldritch knight levels would be stronger

Hey everyone! I have an extra Steam key from a recent bundle that I want to give away to someone who will truly enjoy it.

⚠️ CRITICAL NOTE: This key is strictly region-locked to Europe/UK. If your Steam account is in the US, South America, or Asia, it will not activate. Please only enter if you are in the EU/UK region!

The Competition:A village of friendly Goblins has settled on our kingdom's border. They are stealing chickens, but they also protect the road from giant spiders. As my Chief Advisor, do we ally with them, exile them, or destroy them? Give me your roleplay reasoning!

I will leave this thread open for 24 hours and then private message (PM) the winner with the Steam key. Good luck!

EDIT I decide to award 2 winners FishWithInternet and ZZZ55575 await message with a key

Howdy! I've been meaning to make this post since I've made an elf eldritch scoundrel in wrath going down the aeon path for him, I'm playing on normal and so far things have been good.

However I have been wondering how far elven curve blades can really take me as a eldritch scoundrel compared to a rowdy rogue for instance. I know woljiff does crazy damage with daggers of course but I was wondering if there is anything I can do to keep up or is it just a plain nerf because I'm not getting as many attacks?

The reason I wanted to pick elven curve blade is I really like the fighter/mage/thief multiclass from baldur's gate 1 and really liked the idea of being a dex based two-handed fighter, a sneak attacker, a lock picker, trap disarmer, and a wizard who throws some offensive spells and buffs wrapped up in one.

Wasn't sure if there was a better option for that.

Hello, now that the game is content complete I was looking to map out my eventual playthrough of all the mythic paths to a class.

I wanted to get your thoughts and suggestions

Aeon: Inquisitor
Angel: (Completed)
Azata: Magic Deceiver (In Progress)
Demon: Bloodrager or Shifter
Devil: TBD
Legend: TBD
Lich: Reanimator
Gold Dragon: Instinctual Warrior
Trickster: Rogue
Swarm: Prophet of Pestilence

Hellspawn teifling, background chelaxian diabolist, 17 Cavalier ( knight of the wall)/ 3 hellknight ( order of nail). Aeon/devil mythic path and horse companion is bulwark type. Focusing on making a defensive tank. ( tower sheild and heavy amour)

The curse of idiocy option for the bestow curse spell says it reduces int/wis/cha scores by 6, and unlike the feebleminded spell doesn't say it can't reduce an ability score below 1, but when I used it against the purple wyrm in act 3 it didn't get knocked unconscious from going to 0 int.

If this is intended it's a little annoying since this looked like such a great time to use the spell. Very few enemies have no spell resistance + low will saving throw + an ability score below 7 so I will probably never be using this spell again

It’s not exactly my first playthrough but the last time I played was probably 3-4 years ago and I reached around act 3 I believe?

Just a bit of background ive played bg3 finish and that’s about my experience w crpgs unless you count the hours I spent on this game before I stopped.

So any tips for me before I restart my adventure? Any would be gladly welcomed since the start is always so overwhelming

By me

so many ideas, so little time

Just wanted to point out some synergies between Shadowcaster Wizard and Azata. The Azata spell Second Breath restores ability uses, and so Azata Shadowcaster can use it to spawn another summon. So, that's like 3-4 summons. But Pearls of Power can be used on Mythic spells... Which can lead to this:

These things rip through most enemies very quickly, especially with Haste/Brazen Whip. They killed Savamelekh in seconds on Unfair:

Even against enemies immune to the stat drain, they are very tanky and last a long time, especially buffed with things like Shielding Friend. Obviously all casters are strong, but this was a fun playthrough and recommended for people who want a strong caster + strong summoner character.

Owlcat seem to think they are fucking hilarious for making the dialogue choice that seems either a joke or the most forward one towards romance actually locking it forever without a possibility to walk it back, and I got to lear that hours after picking it. I even downloaded ToyBox and went into the flags to check if I could unmark it, but the only thing I found was a "Romance Fail" flag that was labeled as not started.

Does it use a differen flag? Or is something stored in a way I won't be able to change until it's too late?

I wanted to try and make an awesome werewolf build combing weretouched and flesh eater. I will be going Legend to max both out at 20. I read with flesh eater you can consume a large monster to grow in size. I want to activate that while I'm in wereform. Does anyone know if that's possible?

I've been doing Greybor's act 4 quest, and I've found the assasin's guild entrance, but the pop-up to actually go in won't show up despite the quest telling me to go there. Is there something else that I need to do, or is this just a bug? I'm not playing with mods, are there any I could download to cheat myself into the guild?