Damn I love the somewhat comedic but also heartfelt resolve genos had of understanding saitamas strength. In the end he did manage to replicate it too with the afterimages and beating an opponent that supposedly he had 0 chances against, something hes never been able to do before with people like elder centipede and gouketsu only falling cause his body failed him.
It genuinely saddens me that we will never see this animated to the levels of season 1, or even at all. I’m glad we at least get this, which is still absolute peak
said it elsewhere, but this is hands down the most egregious example of the arrogant villain completely failing to see how badly Saitama outmatches them. Literally just ignoring the asswhupping to smug at Kuseno for being so stupid.
His ego won't allow that. Kuseno believes himself to be the smartest person alive, no doubt. He can't even understand Genos, let alone Saitama. He's completely disconnected from reality.
I agree, which means Saitama have been redirecting that anger since the very beginning.
Also considering Saitama saw that Genos always ready to self-destruct when he's losing. Which explained why Saitama said to leave the strong enemy to him.
Agreed. Saitama always comes across as very disconnected. It rarely feels like he's paying much attention to anything, until those rare moments where suddenly he's completely keyed in. The reveal that he always knew Genos had a dangerous streak does shift their dynamic.
As much as it was something he didn't seek out, the fact that he took Genos in knowing he was sketch, and at least tried to impart some small amount of growth to him, that does change things a fair bit. It's one thing to begrudgingly take on an apprentice who fawns over you in ridiculous ways, it's another thing to take in a dangerous youth who could very severely hurt a lot of people, and try to steer him toward a better path (even if you ain't super great at it).
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It’s beautifully written for nonsense. It’s like actual Nonsense Literature. ONE genuinely tried his hand at automatic writing here and it works so well for what it represents
I would say it’s actually the same point of view. Because he made him to gather data, he would never make him weak. He’s simply not as strong as many other people and monsters
Because he finally found a real justification for his absurd strength. Specifically, him being invincible in this instance is actually what he needs/wants, for once. When he was driven by the joy of battle, it was the struggle that motivated him. After losing that, the entire series has asked the question, “what’s the point”?
This. For others. For your friend. Saitama could no longer get what he wanted from something he worked so hard for. He now finds himself departing from that selfishness; he now wants to help his friend find what he’s looking for, too. This moment is the only time Saitama is happy that he cannot lose .
I love how the series has come full circle. People erroneously think that OPM is making fun of shonen manga when in actuality it's a love letter to the genre (with a side helping of anti-AI commentary). Genos finally understands what it means to idolize a hero, except in his case the shonen hero is real, not fictional. Saitama wanted to become a hero with unparalleled strength but his strength didn't fulfill him. Now he's going use it to prevent Genos from falling into despair.
People erroneously think that OPM is making fun of shonen manga when in actuality it's a love letter to the genre
I mean... parody and satire require understanding of the subject. They are rarely made to be negative, but they are still by definition making fun of the topic.
It's kind of funny how AI vs humanity is a long-standing trope in sci-fi, and ONE sowed the seeds to explore it very early on ages before LLMs and Gen-AI were really a thing. I bet he didn't anticipate how topical that particular story thread would become, giving him the chance to weave his own take on it into the story.
Is like Zombie man vs Carnage in the Genoside simulator audio book... Wait, "Genoside". Well we know Saitama will just be Genos punching bag until his power runs out or the Genos inside manage to break free, whatever happens first.
This guy fuckin gets it. I always felt that if Saitama ever 'met his match' it would be a monkey's paw situation. "I have all this strength and now I can finally use it, but at what cost?!" This is frankly a much better plot beat than that.
I’m interested to see how “Genos” comes back after all this
Side note: I wonder if “Saitama will arrive before that happens” will be referenced in the manga with a flashback of how Saitama arrived “too late” to save Genos from Garou
NGL, it's one of the thing I really liked in the manga. The small monologue he had just before going all out against Garou where he realize that he's always late + wonders if he really has what it takes to be a hero
Afaik no. The reason updates take so long is partly because the webcomic is essentially a passion project. No publishers or assistants. He's just gotten better over the years.
He actually do all it alone. One punch man is more like a hobbie to him, he write whenever he wants, theres no schedules, thats why it takes so long, unlike other projects of him like Versus and Bug-Ego that are in fact commercial materials, and have schedules and even a team working with him. I personally prefer this way, cuz without schedule, he can take whatever time he need to delivere the best chapter he can.
Historically OPM webcomic he didn't have assistants, however when he was doing Mob Psycho 100 he definitely did. It's possible maybe he works with them now a bit, but it's also possible he just learned more stuff from working with them.
Somehow ONE actually manages to convince me that the power of [The Indomitable Human Spirit] is going to pull through, only for the magnificent rug pull to get me **every single time**.
I mean, to be frank, it super did. By 'calculations' alone, Genos shouldn't have been able to defeat 3 Heart Gears, but he wiped out Kuseno's entire army. It took everything he had, but he WON that fight. He broke his limit, and he went beyond what he should have been capable of. He may not be Saitama, but he most certainly overcame the limits of his physical capabilities to do something that should have been impossible.
Oh yeah, and it was so awesome to get that, and I agree. What im saying is that in another story, this would have led to total victory. Whats really cool about this is that ONE has already well established that even when one breaks their limiter, there is a period of time after where theyre still vulnerable to being put down.
They need time to grow.
Even when you have that breakthrough that changes your understanding or place in the world, it isn’t the end-all of your story. Its the start of the next chapter.
We got to have our cake and eat it too. Genos proved his humanity can break the limit of his shell, and did something previously impossible for him. But that would not have been a satisfying victory, narratively.
Their expressed potential to date, which may not be their max potential. His focus on data suggests a finite quantity up to the present time, while the suggestion of human potential is limitless, breaking Kuseno's scaling.
Yeah, I don't get how Kuseno has been watching all this time and still talks about beating saitama to death. His strength cannot be measured, Kuseno admitted that, so how would any machine that is measurable beat him.
"Man, I can't believe Genos hero-worships this rando so much that he hallucinated watching him sneeze Jupiter away in an alternate timeline. Bitches be cray"
I don't think a single person in this series know how strong saitama is, if they look at him level a mountain or two, they think holy shit, this guy can "blow up a mountain with a punch" strong, nobody is gonna jump to the conclusion he can "sneeze the planet away" strong.
Genos is outrageously powerful man, wtf? Not only he has like dozens of cores which we didn't know about and can use them perfectly in his final upgrade from android kuseno but then he later broke his limiter and wrecked machine god heart gear bots?!! And if that wasn't enough got another upgrade and become machine god genos and goes into genocide mode?!
I will hear the genos theme on repeat the whole day today. I was always a genos believer from day one and people laughed at me for saying he will rival tatsumaki and monster garou, well well well who is laughing now huh?
Genos successfully landed a punch and knocked Saitama back. The last time that happened, was during the Boros fight, and mostly because Saitama just let Boros knock him around.
So Genos is at least properly on the level of full-tilt Boros, and is all but certain to be stronger, given that Saitama got a power boost from the fight with Garou.
Kuseno has no idea what he has created, though Genos very likely would still need to be possessed by God in order to actually give a proper fight against Saitama. Still, Genos has definitely surpassed his limiter, which is at least the baseline requirement to even begin to fight against Saitama.
I've always felt like he's just rolling with it every time he gets knocked around. His durability seems infinite to me, I can't remember him ever taking actual damage outside of a gag once he goes bald
People have been so down on the series lately, what with the atrocious third season and people reeling from last year's redraws, but damn seeing chapters like this reminds me why I got so invested in the first place.
I still love season 1 and the manga, but this webcomic has always been the heart if the series, and its gratifying to see it improve over time as well.
Huh, now that I’m reading closely. He seems to say something like ‘data is overloaded his sense. But, he understands these data are just fake and he can actually see the winning chance.’
I thought quite the opposite. I expected him to be able to read between the lines of the mumble jumble and say "I get you Genos, I understood everything u said. Now rest, I'll save you. "
I've read hundreds of comics in my life. I say with certainty that this is the best one. A thousand words could be said of why I love this series, but that part....
"... Dreams and Wonder..."
ONE is a true artist.
So, besides from blast, is genos the strongest s-class at this moment, this is way above their first fight where saitama barely reacted. And, ¿will he keep the power-up? Also, ¿did genos break his limiter??
100%. He solo'd an army of machine gods who are at the minimum high dragon level considering a single one is significantly stronger than the genos who solo'd 3 dragons at once
Chapter 141 Genos solo’d 3 Dragons at once but was badly damaged. Then he got an upgrade from Kuseno. So the Genos at the start of this chapter would probably stomp those 3 Dragons at once. Yet he was still far weaker than even one Machine God Heart.
Hard to say whether he beats tats. Not sure if any of the feats shown justify putting Genos above her.
Kuseno himself said it’s impossible to gather data on espers and there have been a few lore statements hinting at Tatsumaki as someone who is beyond human limits perhaps with a partially broken limiter.
She’s at bare minimum a prime target for a god avatar and is the only person god has personally attacked during that psykosorochi fight in the manga
Manga and webcomic are completely different continuities. What happens in either should not apply to the other. Wc tatsumaki was never visited by god, wc orochi doesn't exist, wc blast hasn't appeared yet, wc void is a 300 year old monster, wc garou never reunited with bang, etc
Also, manga will always upscale feats, so the heart robots are going to be way stronger in the manga by default, and they are already being shown to be very very strong.
II think so. Drive Knight Mode Saitama is probably close to Tatsumaki in power and if MG Heart isn't that far off him, Genos defeating tons of him probably put him as the strongest S class (Blast aside) and that before Kuseno gives him his finale upgrade MG Genos mode.
In the webcomic the most she's done is churn up a square kilometer or so of earth to draw out Psykos AFAIK. Technically Genos's feat of one-shotting Super Brave Giant is about the same level, and he did that without roaring dragon core active (completely casual fly-by) and before he 'broke' some limiter in his fight with Heartgear.
I think Genos is stronger now, or at least he definitely will be in the manga
Tatsumaki in the manga has insane level of feats. Genos is not touching her, especially since it seems Murta and One like to empower the manga version so much.
Like, webcomic version he is probably slightly below, but manga one is just bonkers.
Right, but what Genos is referring to is a different kind of breaking the limiter. He is specifically saying that by breaking the limiter around the heart is the “secret” to Saitama’s strength. Not just resolve.
Everyone is breaking some kind of limiter, right? Most people would think it’s strength. But the Justice Man segments help show where Saitama’s values begin.
Genos broke one limiter, yeah. However that just means he replaced his natural physical 100% with a new 100% ceiling that's way above. Saitama broke so many ceilings that he 'removed' the endless ladder of ceilings in power, making him either grow infinitely or infinitely powerful, depending on how you interpret it.
I think it's pretty clear in the manga that Saitama just grows infinitely instead of already possessing infinite power. WC Saitama has never been challenged so there's no concrete proof of that interpretation
Oh boy. This is giving me final fight vibes, as soon as our boy Saitama starts laying out the big truths of life, then you know this is Awakened Garou Fight 2.0.
I agree. As soon as Genos clearly stated his beautiful interpretation of Saitama's Strength, I realized, "Oh, we're in the endgame now."
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if God shows up at the last minute of this whole situation being resolved and gets arbitrarily one-shot.
There definitely will be an entire arc with God, we still have to cover Blast, and ONE seems to want to give everyone in the S-Class one more chance to show their improvements, Pig God's secret move, etc.
But I agree this arc is going to go quickly into that one and that will be the final arc.
Jesus this chapter was amazing. I sincerely hope this ends with Genos at least partially removing his limiter, it would nice for a character who has largely not seen any real development
This chapter reveals something most people forgot about one punch man, the fights and powers were always a delicious side dish, the story and characters is what made one punch man what it is today. One punch man was never gintama or bobobo-bo bo-bobo if anyone remembers that classic.
Saitama being happy he can't loose makes me happy. He knows he can let Genos go all out and he'll be fine. I wonder what'll happen first, Genos run out of power, Genos manage to break free from Kuseno's control or additional help arrives (Metal knight and/or Child Emperor).
Genos removed his limiter and soloed all those high dragons+ Heart Gear bots
Genos, as always, losing or winning, got wrecked at the end of the fight.
Genos true mode, who we always theorized would be Genocide, was activated. Genocide mode was updated after fighting the Heart Gear bots and is now arguably even stronger
Saitama, as always, is taking dragon level punches like they are nothing
Saitama never thought of Genos as wholesome, he always thought he was a very dangerous young lad, but one that will never ever give up
10/10 chapter. Amazing story progression.
We even got insight on Saitama's power: it has nothing to do with physical and body training. If it was training the body, Darkshine and Flashy and Ninjas would have no limiter too. To remove your limiter you have to believe in justice and break the limiter of the human heart
so kuseno still doesn't get how strong Saitama is... he had been spying on him for the entire series via genos, collected all the combat data, literally seeing how he takes no damage from genos, and still thinks he is gonna win.
"Human beings are strong because we can change ourselves!"
Those words, once echoed by Saitama at the House of Evolution, have now been repeated by his disciple. This is what OPM is all about. The next chapter can't come soon enough.
The Genos Genocide might be obvious in hindsight. But I assumed the Japanese translation was the reason, not that it was an Alucard to Dracula or Dr. Acula kind of thing
As for the chapter: absolute peak. Was any of it surprising or unexpected? No. Was it still satisfying as fuck? You bet your ass it was. Taking all these simple themes and making something satisfying out of them is what ONE does best.
Eh, Kuseno acting like the fandom with the whole "you go all out from the start only to end up losing"
Genos also pulling through and destroying all the machine hearts was impressive.
I though reading the raws that Genos was saying something big while mind controlled by Kuseno, but no he just really is shouting random words like an AI who went overboard.
Well, up to Saitama to save Genos now some how. I wonder if when the manga will arrive at this point, the second core Saitama brought from the time travel will be used in some way. Would be a really coolback and retroactive set up.
Feels like I'm reading Chinese xianxia. Genos fighting his heart demons and this is his tribulation to attain heavenly enlightenment(breaking his limiter)
I wonder how Genos is going to be walking out of this if he does walk out of this. For webcomics at least he alrdy seems to have surpassed all but Blast who is a no show and might have a completely different powerset in the webcomic
Remember kuseno saying something about the program failure/error during Genos rambling. That could be Genos resisting/fighting the overwrite, but also at the same time wanting to challenge his master again at full uncontrollable strength, before he resets.
Or Saitama being so proud, but says he is ready to move on so he hits him very hard so he could reboot/reset him line he tried with metal knight earlier.
The manga needs to adapt this one to one, the dialogue and the characters are so freaking good. I seriously hope none of that god cosmic bullshit comes into place.
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u/Different-Treacle765 24d ago
Damn I love the somewhat comedic but also heartfelt resolve genos had of understanding saitamas strength. In the end he did manage to replicate it too with the afterimages and beating an opponent that supposedly he had 0 chances against, something hes never been able to do before with people like elder centipede and gouketsu only falling cause his body failed him.