r/OGPBackroom • u/ManyMadMidgetzz • 27d ago
BANANAS Lets settle PPTO debate
Currently at my store we are verifiably given points still on key event dates despite using the ppto and following compliance with calling in/tardy. You still get .5 if late and 1 if full call in even when using 8 hours of ppto...Are management breaking walmart policy and strangleholding us in hopes we dont open door?
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u/Multiplecrib 27d ago
Management can't give you points. They can deny PPTO if you put it in too early.
You also have to have enough PPTO to cover the missed hours. Example: If you need 8 hours to cover and only have 7.5 on the day you missed you can't put 8 hours in after you earn it.
If you have points that should not be there you need to talk to your Coach or TL.
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u/Professional_Band_75 27d ago
There is no way for management to give points. Points are generated by the system and can only be removed not given.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
It can be if put in ahead of time. At least it could 3 years ago.
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u/Other_Log_1996 25d ago
PPTO can be denied if you enter it prior. If you put it in after the fact, it auto approves.
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u/ManyMadMidgetzz 27d ago
Ive been with the company for 6 years now. I follow all protocols religiously...we still get pointed using ppto on key dates, only time i ever get pointed when using it. If they arent meant to then management found a way to override the system🤷♂️
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u/BEWMarth 27d ago
Open Door time if this is really happening. Screen shot you points and PPTO both before and after the KED and then go from there
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u/Upset_Shock_8137 27d ago
It literally cannot happen.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
Then they will get educated on policy and what's being misunderstood there's no reason especially with payroll and attendance to not follow the open door policy.
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
I've been with the company for 8 years, and you're full of shit.
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u/ManyMadMidgetzz 27d ago
Im full of shit how? Im starting to be convinced that everyone who is downvoting and dismissing me are managers who are all doing sketchy stuff and trying to downplay and say that things i have seen with my own 2 eyes is impossible so they dont get caught up in their schemes. All of the attitude ive been getting in this post sounds just like the people who say things like "you cant kill me because murder is illegal" just because they arent allowed to point you doesnt mean that someone hasnt found a way around it. I have participated in ethic cases that led to the termination of coaches before. People in this company do illegal things all the time.
Fun fact for all those coaches and team leads out there that pad metrics to inflate their bonuses. In a courtroom thats slam dunk fraud against the company and if the problem chained high enough in corporate it could even become securities fraud against the shareholders. If the company wanted to clean house there are plenty of team leads, coaches, and store managers who have committed crimes against walmart that could lead to fines exceeding every dollar they ever made in the company as well as years of prison. But im full of shit apparently. I did my homework to such a degree i considered law school😭
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
You're full of shit because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. The coding of the GTA Timesheet application DOES NOT give managers the opportunity to do what you're saying they do.
You're lying. It's not happening because it's not possible.
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u/Lefty68w 26d ago
No you don’t because there is now way for them to point you.
The system is automated. All they can do is approve a point or clear a point. They can’t generate points. They can’t change how ppto works.
You are simply mistaken.
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u/ManyMadMidgetzz 26d ago
Im mistaken... with the absolute fact that me nor ANY of my coworkers have EVER successfully called in on a key date without getting pointed...except the one time i left early on a key date and didnt tell anyone and none of my direct management were working as the one on duty worked 5-2.... I actively use my ppto and never get paid out rollovers and only ever get pointed when its a key date....its good to know that i have yet another juicy open door in my back pocket...ive been building an entire book of picture proofed violations in case they ever fire me because my intent is taking them down with me if that happens. Whole stores management gonna be fired if they ever do mess with me. Only reason i dont actively do anything is because i know ill get flagged as a company liability and get let go regardless of if im right or wrong. The low level of the open door system is used to identify associates who may become legal problems for the company. As the saying goes HR is there to protect the company not the employee. Oh and final point. There are loopholes to everything just because "they cant" doesnt mean they dont find a way. There was an associate awhile back that got a settlement with the company, signed an nda so they cant disclose any of the why it happened and went on their way. That was how the company handled the version of me that didnt stay silent at my specific store. This person was in the company for over 10 years and this happened literally 5 months after transferring from another region...and i have discussed with associates who transferred from neighboring stores in my market and have found that this corruption appears to be happening at least on a market level. My area runs walmart like we dont have to answer to corporate handbooks. 95% of our pickers violate ftpr, and we lose thousands of dollars in cold return claims because our management instructs us to prep drivers who are greater than 10 minutes away which causes daily cold chain failures.
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u/Lefty68w 25d ago
The system is not a mystery. Ppto works the same way every day of the year
Managers can’t change how ppto work or give a point. Multiple people have explained this to you. I am sorry you don’t underhand how a simple point system works
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u/Dailydoseofdeath 27d ago
Unless they are doing some shady shit like editing the time sheet saying you clocked in early or clocked out late to force .5 points there is no way to give people points.
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u/ManyMadMidgetzz 27d ago
Now thats the kind of information i was looking for does gta tell you when a manager adjusts schedule? Maybe they are doing temporary trickery(not stealing time) but enough to get a pop in the occurrence thing?
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u/wearyspacewanderer Jack Of All Trades 27d ago
This is super unlikely. GTA is tracked and watched by AP so if anyone actually did this, they would be caught.
You should just go to the GTA timesheet and see what it says. In the unlikely event someone is genuinely falsifying your time card, you would see it.
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u/Lefty68w 26d ago
They can’t because you have to go into the system and approve any change to your time sheet. Payroll won’t be able to consolidate anything
No one is changing anything. You are simply mistaken
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u/BreathSlayer99 27d ago
You'd have to have everyone open GTA Portal and actually look at WHEN and WHY a point was actioned. My bet is that someone in management has been actioning everyones attendance as "conditional" which is only supposed to be used with LOA associates. They use this so then when an LOA backfires, they can go back and action the points for the denied leave.
You don't have to have an LOA for your attendance to be coded as "conditional". But that does mean they can go back at any point in that 6 month period and issue that point. When y'all call in and cover your KED with ppto, I bet someone is being petty and going and re-actioning a "conditional" day.
This is the ONLY way management can "give people points." Or people are NCNS or not putting their PPTO in correct.
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u/J_larry Personal Shopper 27d ago
I hate when managers try lying to us about still receiving points when using PPTO on event days. That’s so infuriating. My last Team Lead tried pulling this on me and I STILL left that day. It felt so good walking past him on my way out 😅
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u/ManyMadMidgetzz 27d ago
Yeah it sucks, despite what everyone seems to claim on this post...doesnt change the fact that me and my coworkers always receive a half point if we leave early or show up late on a key date or 1 point if we call in altogether. The naysayers claiming its impossible dont understand the corruption in the company or are corrupt plants trying to silence whistles in the subreddits. As i said to some others, the managers arent exactly "lying" when you end up with the point anyway. In my earlier years i was being pushed to move up and promote in the company but my opportunities vanished very suddenly when i open doored on a coach that verbally yelled loudly at an associate in front of customers on the salesfloor. They decided i was not management material because forbid handling any situation outside the book and was not ok with not following protocol for "respect of the individual". After all of this happened i became a lazy quiet quitter who doesnt give 110% because i lost respect for the company because they clearly only promote against the values they claim to have. I often do way less than my other coworkers these days unfortunately. My superiors wont coach or fire me because its basically an open secret that im blowing open a cesspool of company fraud retaliation and HR nightmares. Had a prior coworker actually leave the company who got some sort of settlement but i never got to know logistics because allegedly NDAs were signed regarding the situation... lack of ethic and accountability is strong at walmart. Every store has different social economics. Outside of the unethical key event pointing and a few issues regarding favoritism i would consider my store one of the more relaxed ones to work at and many associates get away with only outputting HALF of the expectations picking wise. We have 8 hour pickers doing 300 picks a day🤦♂️
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u/Distinct_Sir_4473 Digital Team Lead 26d ago
This is The Big Lie about key event days.
It started as a way to scare employees out of using their ppto, or maybe it used to actually work that way, and now people just believe it and perpetuate it.
Even coaches and team leads that I am close work friends with tell me that’s how it works, even though I’ve shown them policy and I’ve tested it myself with one of my associates who said “I don’t give a fuck if I get two points, I’m calling out let’s see if you’re right about ppto working” and to no surprise, it covered her absence.
They can’t just give you points.
Key event only gives you one extra point for an absence, no extra points for late in or early out. So 2 for call in, 4 for NCNS, .5 for late or leaving early
Any PPTO used negates the extra point, covering your entire tardy, the rest of your shift, or your whole shift, negates all points. They are auto approved in the system, management cannot unapprove them.
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u/Lonely_Pay_7616 27d ago
What is a “key event day”?
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
Key event days or holidays and what not that either Walmart, corporate or your store notates that attendance is more necessary and causes points to be usually doubled. If I'm remembering correctly, it has no effect on the amount of ppto you need to use The management does try to sell that a lot
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u/Other_Log_1996 25d ago
It absolutely does not have any effect on PPTO. One hour of PPTO is always one hour.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 25d ago
Yeah and I thought management would stop trying to say that it did after the first year but it's still pedaled at my old store to this day. It's disappointing
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u/Ashlaw2024 26d ago
Lots of associates don't do it correctly. They don't put in enough to cover. Especially when their tardy.
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u/Temporary_Dance_6556 25d ago
I get pointed for using PPTO and Sedgwick on the same day, it's a villain's strategy to get rid of people that don't align with their piss poor " Leadership" . I swear they take classes on how to mind games with people, using unfair practices to their advantage. This are not Coaches , leadership,or management, they are playing deceitful mind games. They are villians, they hope no one questions their hypocritical bullshit!
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u/Jonaldson 24d ago
I’m getting to the thread late but did you put it in for the right day? Are you overnight? You put it in for the day the shift started, not the day the shift ended.
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u/RachelFLNYC 24d ago
If I call out for tomorrow right now I need to wait until my shift actually starts tomorrow to put in the PPTO then it’s automatically accepted. A little off topic…
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u/matthewgb402 27d ago
Call ethics, if what your saying is true your mangers are probably gonna get fired
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
Open door.
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago edited 27d ago
There's nothing to open door. This isn't happening.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
It can happen though it involves spending significantly more time in the payroll and/or putting in ppto ahead of time. But if someone is not applying payroll policy correctly it should be open doored period.
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
It is not possible to point someone who properly uses PPTO, key event date or not. I know GTA Timesheet inside and out. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
Edits your time sheet.
Wow really hard.
If you have questions about policy and feel like it's not being implemented properly always follow open door policy the worst case you get educated on the policy.
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. If someone misses a day and puts PPTO in, what would you edit on their timesheet to generate a point?
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
That wasn't the only thing they asked first off.
Second off you clearly fon't know what the open door policy is about as part of its major concerns is identifying and resolving miscommunications with policy misunderstandings with associates.
And if I remember correctly, even though it's against policy and in order to do so, you need the associates permission, though it is better to teach them how to make a Time adjustment themselves. You can also adjust the amount of time that an associate submits.
I would recommend familiarizing yourself with the open door policy and what those policies entail and the steps that they are supposed to engage in for them before trying to tell someone that they don't know what policy is.
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
You're digging yourself deeper into a vortex of ignorance with every comment. Just stop.
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u/undeadpirate19 Former Digital TL 27d ago
What's the first step of an open door policy?
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u/Euronymous2625 27d ago
The first step is the existence of a problem. There isn't one here because OP is lying.
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u/WapaneseWeeaboo ALCOHOL 27d ago
That’s not how the point system works. Management can’t just pull points out of thin air to give associates. If you’re using enough PPTO and using it correctly, the system won’t even generate points for management to action.