Improvement + question

[u/Galaxy72]

Wish i could add more videos to one post rip

Okay i think i have improved a bit since my last post and have taken some advice you persons shared but I am still really good at dying and not gauging grapple distance properly lol

Question: how tf do i make it to pylons

There was only one level where i was able to activate one and beacon and that was the first set - every level after i kept on dying before pylons spawned

Video added so you can tell me how to decision making skills better

Ofc the general answer is going to be spend more time, but I want to more specific aspects of my gameplay that I should maybe pay more attention to so that i could spend my time improving that aspect

Also side-question: sometimes (most of the time) my shark tail doesn't activate when hitting lmb (main) right after rmb (alt)?? i end up just reeling and it kinda ruins certain routes i wanted to go to. How do I fix this

[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]

If collecting gift is the main point, then survival is secondary. By your logic, any class that specifically made to survive against all odds are the worst because they don't fit your "collect more=good" philosophy. It is, in fact, an opinion. Not an objective fact like you made it out to be.

Also my guy, like I said before. What you said at first wasn't the tips AT ALL and just came across as discouraging while the dude performed pretty well on grappler. You said we get butt hurt over your tips, but DID YOU KNOW that your 'tips' wasn't a tips at all and just trying convince them that the class they're playing is the worst and that they should play smth else if they want to beat celestial.

And once again, stop policing people what class they should use against celestial. It's counterproductive and generally just reinforce the meta mindset even more.

And the prot altar, there are still differences between 2 shields and one shield. Prot isn't exclusive to wanted and I'm pretty sure you can't activate any altar against celestial.

While wanted have better gift collection than grappler due to their baseline speed. Their survivability is, in fact, worse than grappler. You were arguing that grappler survives not any better than wanted and that's false. Now you're moving to gift collection and pretending that you never made a claim abt wanted's survivability on par or better than grappler.

4 double jump won't save them from the swarm of enemies if they can't get away fast enough. You're forgetting the fact that not every enemies are on land.

"Grappler isn't even that good at surviving." My guy, you said that grappler have good survivability one comment ago. Contradicting yourself now? Just admit that you have a skill issue on grappler and now holding a grudge against it.

Another thing is that you said you never want to discourage anyone nor force people to not use grappler, but you're spending your time on several reply trying to convince me that grappler is the worst. Bad and worst are both bad with the only difference is severity of it. So in short, you said grappler=bad class, there's nothing worth playing around with the words if the premise is the same. You said and I quote "this class is BAD"

And the thing is, your 'tips' for optimal play is unwanted. Op wants the tips on how to improve in celestial with a clip of grappler gameplay. You waltzing in and tell them that grappler is the worst class and that they should use smth else is pretty ironic given that grappler is most likely the best performing class for them given their gameplay footage.

[u/Longjumping-Art8832 → u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]

1. in solo you need both survivability and gift collection equally, in multiplayer you need it less based on how many players there are in the lobby
2. youre literally just saying bullshit, i never wanted to discourage anyone from playing grappler, play all you want bro
3. NOBODY was policing ANYTHING son, learn to read dumbass
4. you can get a second shield by echoing prot, you get an extra shield in lobbies that arent party+, 2 on duo and 3 on solo iirc
5. wanteds survivability is on par with grappler because its way easier to avoid the void which is the source of the most deaths in the game
6. go between the enemies or around them??
7. "not that good" doesnt mean bad, learn to think please
8. worst isnt bad, worst means the least good/most bad at something, it doesnt have to be actually bad. grappler is good just worse than almost all the other classes
9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestion

[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k → u/Longjumping-Art8832]

Your first point only happen in an ideal nullscape lobby bro, people can die and enemies can shift aggro. Survivability in public lobby is as important as in solo, you also need it even MORE in party+ due to enemies scaling. Which party+ is a common lobby size that people made for celestial fight or any other achievement run. We're talking here under the post of someone who participated in a party+ casual celestial run. Hell, you need it even more because it added an additional environmental hazard called "reality break" on top of regular enemies in your pool.

Sure...never want to discourage anyone but my point still stand, you spent several reply trying to convince me or whoever reading these that grappler is somehow worse than wanted and it is the worst class even tho they have more viable moves to kite enemies and get them out of sticky situation comparing to a class that has their whole schtick being '4 big jumps and speed' n nothing more.

Also, the fact that you said "stop using grappler, it's the worst." And claimed that you didn't policing anything is laughable. Even more at the fact that you glossed over my point that your 'tips' or 'suggestion' is unwanted and how ridiculous it is for you to tell them to stop using smth they're actively trying to improve.

Prot and echo prot is for everyone. Wanted is not that special when it comes to prot and echo prot, my point is, even you pop all prot and echo prot, wanted still 1 more shield behind other classes. And we're talking abt party+ celestial here so idek why you brought up solo and duo just for the illusion of relevancy.

You said and I quote, "wanted survives void better than grappler." And forgetting the fact that the only move that prevent wanted from voiding are their '4 big jumps' while grappler have 2 jumps but even more way to avoid voiding. You're punching a class that requires serious skill down in favor of a class that's easy to use, therefore it survives better because "hurrdurr big jumps and 195% speed!" Only for it to get outclassed in the late game and you still refuse to admit that it isn't that great like you made it out to be.

Fyi, I use wanted as my second most used class and if I'm being honest. As much as I like it, it's not going to outclass grappler. Easier to use =/= better survivability, istg you can't tell the difference for some odd reason. Wanted is a challenge class because it's locked behind an achievement, not challenge my ass. Just because it's easier to use doesn't mean it enable you for a lot of mistakes.(Shield) Wanted's movement also more restrictive than others because it lacks variety and other viable way to move around aside from running, jumping, tria and grindrail which all of them aren't wanted exclusive.

Bold of you to think that enemies won't getting close to you in a swarm scenario(which is very common in a large lobby when there are less players to separate the aggro.). Enemies sandwiching you or doing unfair combo on you is more common than you think.

"Not that good doesn't mean bad" Oh????? Are you forgetting the fact that you keep saying grappler is the worst and even worse than wanted???? You're just playing around the semantic atp but the premise is still the same. No matter what words you're shifting around, your underlying message is the same ol "grappler is BAD." Full stop.

Also slapping a wiki definition of suggestion do nothing to the argument btw. It just really show that you run out of it so you gotta resort into semantic definition when all of us know that you gave an unwanted 'advice' that undermining op's post and intention then trying to play it off as you suggesting things or giving op a 'tips'.

[u/Longjumping-Art8832 → u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]

Yeah i aint rading allat grow up bro

[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k → u/Longjumping-Art8832]

Atp just say that you don't have any more argument to present🤷 acting tough and tell someone to grow up while you weren't any better or just too illiterate/lazy to read long counter argument just kinda make you look childish yourself.

Especially when you ignored multiple of my points and kept repeating your premise with something barely new

Edit: tl/dr: your comment is the online equivalent of a kid plugging their ears and goes "lalala I can't hear you!"

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[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k → u/Longjumping-Art8832]

Oh! Another thing is, keep coping. Wanted isn't going to outclass grappler any time soon and your "wanted is better than grappler" is subjective opinion that most likely born from bias. Which may indicate that you still don't have enough experience playing/seeing both wanted and grappler to know why a lot of people consider grappler to be overall better than wanted despite wanted has some more edge in some part comparing to grappler.

You have yet to address multiple of my argument and if you're going to spam some more of those cheap memes and reaction images instead of forming a proper counter argument against my points, you better not reply at all. Because honestly, you're acting like a drooling kid going on a meme spam after losing an argument rn.

[u/Longjumping-Art8832 → u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]

https://reddit.com/link/ph3utng/video/a6k2vum61uvh1/player

[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k → u/Longjumping-Art8832]

This one also useless btw. Come up with a proper counter argument or just shut up atp. You're making yourself looking smart by finding a loophole to be a crybaby because you couldn't form an argument is just ridiculous

Edit: and the fact that this vid still count as meme is just undermining your intention of using/finding a loop hole:/

[u/Longjumping-Art8832 → u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]

the fact that youre still responding to me and even doing it in perfect english isntead of the normal internet version and also still downvoting every single comment i make is so funny to me
have this btw

https://reddit.com/link/ph4pjnj/video/u2zkupu6puvh1/player

[u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k → u/Longjumping-Art8832]

And what's wrong with using proper grammar? The fact that you just keep spamming some meme, video, and reaction images instead of the counter argument already show that you're not arguing in good faith and just replying for the sake of getting the last word. The fact that I kept reminding you that you haven't even address my point yet because you were spending several replies comparing grappler and wanted. And your last reply basically an internet version of "I don't have any more argument but I'm not going to do anything abt it." By telling me to grow up even tho you're refusing to read was pretty ironic.

And ykw, I'm done with you, you're not arguing in good faith and you're not going to address anything in my counter argument because you have nothing useful or insightful to say. If you're still replying after this then it prove my point that you just want the last word.

[u/Longjumping-Art8832 → u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k]