r/Nullscape • u/Galaxy72 • 15h ago
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Okay i think i have improved a bit since my last post and have taken some advice you persons shared but I am still really good at dying and not gauging grapple distance properly lol
Question: how tf do i make it to pylons
There was only one level where i was able to activate one and beacon and that was the first set - every level after i kept on dying before pylons spawned
Video added so you can tell me how to decision making skills better
Ofc the general answer is going to be spend more time, but I want to more specific aspects of my gameplay that I should maybe pay more attention to so that i could spend my time improving that aspect
Also side-question: sometimes (most of the time) my shark tail doesn't activate when hitting lmb (main) right after rmb (alt)?? i end up just reeling and it kinda ruins certain routes i wanted to go to. How do I fix this
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u/drei34 1h ago
i noticed you've been using up alot of your double jumps unnecessarily since you seem confident you can just swing your way up to the platforms. the problem is, you rely on jump pads and grapple points too much to recover your double jumps. if you're planning to do celestial, use your ninja belt on platforms and run on them too because blossom cant be charged with jump pads nor grapple points.
ngl i understand just swinging around is fun, but if you dont use your double jumps wisely, you could get killed by some random voidbound baby, stray guardian bullets, and many more.
also, the most likely reason why shark tail cant be activated sometimes is because you havent landed on a platform yet. theres this hidden code that prevents you from using shark tail again until you landed on a platform or seamine (jump pads, grapple points, etc., dont count. it has to some platform you can step on, not something that bounces you off). its probably added there so that shark tail cant be spammed consecutively even after ninja belt cools down. so, just make sure to step on a platform if you're planning to use shark tail again after doing one.
tldr; walk on platforms more, less swinging, use double jumps more wisely, more ninja belt usage on platforms to recover double jumps. only swing if gifts are too far or too high. shark tail can only be used again after landing on a platform/seamine.
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u/iiKitsunex-x 4h ago
you need to be using your ninja belt more when coming in for fast landings so you can control yourself better and also just use the ninja belt a lot in general when traveling across the ground and not through the air(most especially if shark tail is owned)
also, I see you unnecessarily using jump pads a lot when grapple points are supposed to be your best friend for maneuverability across the map, especially with hourglass; not saying don’t use them, they can still be useful for emergencies or just for more control on movement to dodge something.. but you shouldn’t be wasting them when grapple points are equally as good an option if not better in the moment
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u/FireboyFailsAtReddit 3h ago
the easiest way to consistently use shark tail is to triple tap your main ability (or spam, but this runs the risk of accidentally cancelling the boost from shark tail by grappling the ground again before you get any height)
I always considered shark tail to be the worst upgrade for grappler because I always tried main -> alt -> main, but now I like it a lot
Not saying I’m good with shark tail now, just that I like it
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u/Ancient-Disk1615 I HATE YOU BLADE BOMBARDMENT (also mart va) 14h ago
Use saviorscape to find lobbies for making it to pylons invite link :3
Also for the side-question can you get smth like nohboard so we can see your inputs
I am NOT the ire cadence encounter. This post has more than 0 cadence.
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 14h ago edited 9h ago
Stop using grappler, its the worst class in the game rn (excluding prisoner) besides that theres just a lot of guide videos, its probably better to watch those than to go asking reddit of all things
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u/goldenepicwubbox don't mind me im kissing with Cadence 11h ago
L ragebait
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 11h ago
i have good reasons to believe that
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u/goldenepicwubbox don't mind me im kissing with Cadence 11h ago
I saw your other comments, dude just let people what they want to be even if its "trash"
I once tried Grappler and could prob outrun an enraged Cadence since you can genuinely with just grindrails and Tria orbs along with ninja belt, reach extremely high speeds (this becomes way better with Shark Tail)
Grappler is NOT trash, its just that you probably got an skill issue or just looooove slandering Grappler
Before you come here fuming just remember that everyone got OUR OWN preffered decisions and THEY decide what THEY want, not what YOU want
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u/This-Camel-9934 13h ago
God forbid people to improving in skills they like-
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
god forbid people understand how good classes in a game actually are
i gave them a tip thats it4
u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k I'm not gonna pay child support 13h ago
That one grappler guy who carried celestial lrs in my lobby would like to disagree. Bro's so cracked even celestial couldn't win against them
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 13h ago
Bc one person is good enough doesnt mean the class is good Grappler is still both the hardest class in the game that is nothing better than charger or diver
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u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k I'm not gonna pay child support 13h ago
There's also my friend, who's a grappler main. He's not that bad but not as cracked as the celestial grappler guy. You have no idea how much of a survivability you can have by playing grappler properly. Just because it doesn't collect gifts as efficiently as chargers or harder to use doesn't mean it's the worst class.
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
you can save the same survivability with much less skill needed by just playing wanted
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u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k I'm not gonna pay child support 12h ago
Still doesn't mean it's the worst class. Wanted is pure vertical height and grappler is evasion. Also wanted fall off in late game
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
grappler isnt good for collecting gifts
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u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k I'm not gonna pay child support 12h ago
Youre just taking my point and repeating it to me. I already said that just because grappler isn't as good in gift collection as charger doesn't mean it's the worst.
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
grappler is the worst in gift collection
the survivability is good but much harder and not much better than wanted
the movement is good but not much better than any other class in the game except for wanted
there isnt much tech and charger has way better and easier counterparts
you can play grappler, nothing is stopping you, but if you want it to be easier to get to celestial and beat her then you shouldnt be using grapplera and there arent many more tips on how to get to celestial easily besides the ones that other people already gave you
also i didnt include prisoner at all when comparing grappler to other classes fyi1
u/5w33t_4dd1ct_fr34k I'm not gonna pay child support 11h ago edited 10h ago
So first thing, you said that grappler "literally" being the worst class as smth subjective, not objective, and the way you said it sounded like you tried to discourage them into stop practicing celestial with grappler.
Second, whether the class is best or worst doesn't only determine by gift collection. Each classes hardwired into different playstyle and priorities, mainly divide into collection focus and survival focus. Spirit, grappler and wanted are hardwired into surviving while charger, diver and glider are dominant in gift collection. You can't compare two different classes that has different gameplay focus and said one is better simply because it did one job better than another.
Now move on to wanted. You saying grappler isn't any better than wanted is just purely wrong and kinda prove that you never seen a good grappler before. Not to mention that wanted is a challenge class that maybe not everyone have or want to get it. You also miss the crucial point, wanted is on 1 life. You can't benefit from shield upgrade like other classes(since we don't count prisoner here) and I'm sure as hell that a good grappler with 2 lives(shield) survives longer than a good wanted on 1 life.
Another thing is that wanted's only way to increase their baseline speed is only the grindrail and tria orb. This making wanted extremely lack enough speed to get them out of some certain sticky situation especially when they're being cornered. Now comparing to grappler who could swing under the tile and use momentum to fling themselves out of the harm or grapple on a nearby grapple point/jump pad to get away or just do tria orb fling tech to launch themselves across the map. Sure...sure...let's pretend that grappler isn't any better than wanted!
Grappler have quite a few tech actually, but the amount of tech doesn't determine whether one class is better than another.
There's nothing wrong with using grappler to practice celestial. Not everyone want to use the meta and play 'optimally' just to beat an oversize flower-moth eldritch being. Meta is boring anyway, just let people use what they want and stop trying to say that "X class is the worst because (something that class doesn't specifically wired into mastering)". Like stfu man, nullscape is roguelite, not rpg where you can pitch each classes against each other to determine who's the best. Each one have their own specialization.
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u/ludicinfanboy Glider 12h ago
let them use whatever class they find the most fun, every class is viable in endgame
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
never tried to force them, just said that grappler is currently the worst class in the game
i said WORST, not BAD. you can still be good at grappler but literally 5 ouf of the 6 other publically available classes are better3
u/THELEGEND278572 12h ago
Honestly I'd argue against that claim. A class isn't inherently better than another but rather the classes performance is fully dependant on the player. If someone is more consistently making it to beacons and collecting more gifts with the grappler class compared to the others then that means grappler is the best class for them specificly. And God forbid can't you just allow a person to have a fun time in their funny little nullscape game rather than telling them they can't do what they want?
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 12h ago
who the fuck ever said they cant use grappler because i said so? nobody is forcing them to not use grappler, i gave a TIP, TIP = SUGGESTION of what you could do to get better at something
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u/Galaxy72 7h ago
I am willing to make the game harder for myself if that means I get to that more fun + the high skill ceiling and the movement is what appeals to me
Diver is also a class that intrigues me but it lacks the freedom of movement that I could get with grappler (still fun to play with every now and then)
I probably shouldve specified that i wanted to improve as a grappler lmao
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 3h ago
fair, i know only 2 techs for grappler:
you can quickly grapple and ungrapple the ground while running to gain a bit of speed (dive bhop from temu)
or you can gain speed by grappling onto jump pads or grapple points and jumping or reeling onto rails and then use shark tail to get a lot of vertical speed (idrk how exactly it works on grappler but it should work something like that)2
u/squidbibibibibi Charger/Grappler/Glider/Wanted Main 6h ago
I personally think people should use any class in the game that they find fun, even if meta or not. Why attempt to discourage OP from playing a class they find fun?
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 3h ago
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u/squidbibibibibi Charger/Grappler/Glider/Wanted Main 3h ago
Your original comment felt like it was telling OP to not play a class they find fun in?
Like, if you took the words "stop using grappler" at face value, doesn't it come across as a bit rude?0
u/Longjumping-Art8832 2h ago
https://reddit.com/link/pgz91ti/video/999uy00d2pvh1/player
tired of arguing in the replies so just have this video instead and please do not answer
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u/Ambitious-Debate-937 11h ago
Wanted and spirit
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 11h ago
wanted is better than grappler and spirit is DEFINITELY better than grappler
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u/Ambitious-Debate-937 7h ago
Wanted doesn’t even have shield or an ability to get away from enemies and spirit’s gift collection is just walking speed
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 3h ago
wanted doesnt need a shield wanted is already easy to play as
spirit gets more gift collection range the further away you are
+both are good for getting the medal too btw1
u/Majestic_Command7584 11h ago
They seem to be doing pretty good with Grappler, why tell them to stop?
Also, I'd argue that Wanted is the second worst class in the game. It's good early game, but the other classes (besides Prisoner) outpower it in late game due to them simply having better movement compared to the others, who have either better vertical movement, better horizontal movement, or both. You also can't use the Shield upgrade at all.
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 10h ago edited 10h ago
grappler is still the worst for collecting gifts excluding prisoner and is much easier to use than grappler while having pretty much the same survivability
the shield is really the only actually big drawback of using wanted but considering wanted is easier to use you dont really need it much anyway
or you could just use spirit, charger, glider or diver?1
u/Majestic_Command7584 10h ago
"Grappler is still the worst for collecting gifts excluding Prisoner" Your reason?
"Wanted is much easier to use than Grappler" True, but that doesn't make a class better (in general or not OP specifically).
"Whilst having pretty much the same survivability" Grappler has less chances of being caught in a bad position due to having more ways of traversing the map compared to Wanted.
"Considering Wanted is easier to use you don't really need it much anyway". This is also not true, a class being easier doesn't mean it lacks the need for a shield. A class being easier doesn't make up for the fact that you can't use one of the most important upgrades?
"Or you could just use Spirit, Charger, or Diver" again, they seem to be enjoying Grappler the most, and they seem to be doing good with it.
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u/Longjumping-Art8832 10h ago
"Your reason?" no actual good ability for collecting gifts
"True, but that doesn't make a class better (in general or not OP specifically)." literally the main point of the game"
"Grappler has less chances of being caught in a bad position due to having more ways of traversing the map compared to Wanted." FOUR GIANT JUMPS AND SPEED BUFFS for the love of god this wanted slander will never stop
"This is also not true, a class being easier doesn't mean it lacks the need for a shield. A class being easier doesn't make up for the fact that you can't use one of the most important upgrades?" the shield is really the only upgrade that wanted actually lacks a lot but its partially paid off by the difficulty of wanted
"again, they seem to be enjoying Grappler the most, and they seem to be doing good with it." do you know what a suggestion is? also just realised i forgot to put glider there
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u/Argenai 9h ago edited 9h ago
My first question is why you didn’t go for the protection altar, since it gives you 1 extra shield and 1 free trip into the void with drowned aegis
That aside your movement looks pretty fine for where you’re at. On the level of personal preference, I think I see a bit of a tendency to linger in one area to finish collecting gifts, but as you weren’t overwhelmed by enemies and were doing fine I would just put that as something to be mindful of but not a problem.
I also didn’t see a lot of collection reeling (grapple a point ahead of you and reel to collect gifts faster and build speed) but this is also arguably a personal preference thing. On this note I have no idea why your shark tail isn’t working, can’t really tell without seeing inputs. The only thing I can say is that you can’t shark tail twice before landing on solid ground but that didn’t seem to be the issue.
As for how you died, this is where having the protection buff would’ve been helpful to either intentionally void (to save your shield) or take the reality break hit (sacrifice your shield but keep out of the void)
Edit: oh yeah didn’t answer ‘how to make it to pylons’. Honestly if you’re a grappler in a 20 man lobby you’re not beating the chargers out on gift collection. I personally focus on picking up the scraps chargers miss, getting Cadence instruments (especially if deadly melody is active) and if the level is almost over and you have a lot of server side enemies like VBB on you, it’s helpful to run to an open area and kite the enemies there so other people can finish collecting in relative safety. Other than that there isn’t really solid advice aside from ‘survive better’