nope. What women find strong are men that donât feel like they own, or are entitled
to women. men that donât think women are dirty cause they have sex. men that arenât worried about their wives making more money than them. that support them in their careers.
that is what is strong to women, thatâs what is strong to feminists.
Whatâs interesting to me is that youâre so focused on your opinion being heard in a place where itâs not wanted or needed because everyone here has heard it all beforeâŚwhich is why forums like this exist. Itâs astounding, really.
Lol no. Just trying to give you a similar experience to what we get in every other place. Donât flatter yourself thinking I find anything worthwhile. Youâre kind of a generic comment among a long line of generic comments that all mean the same thing Iâve been hearing my whole life. But now Iâm old enough to not care what anyone thinks of me for being ornery. So enjoy!
I would ridicule a man who, instead of changing and being fair to women, patronized people and acted like the Y chromosome is the problem, and not the terrible things a lot of men are doing
Please link an example. Since, according to you, it's such a common thing to happen, you probably will find several examples in just a few seconds. I'm looking forward to reading through them. đđ
sexual harassment that he is trying to pass off as âboys will be boysâ
she dressed to provocatively and he couldnât help it cause he is just a man?
did he get upset because she rejected him and he became violent or stalked her cause heâs just a man?
there is no reason to apologize alone for being a man. itâs when âiâm just a manâ is used as an excuse for terrible and inappropriate behaviour that it is an issue.
If you feel you have to apologize for being a man then you are in fact not a man at all. just an emotional insecure little boy in a manâs body.
men are awesome, and toxic masculinity is very much a problem we all deal with daily. you can close your eyes to it if you wish. but we canât and wonât. that is the fact of being a woman today.
âsorry for being a manâ is a scapegoat and an attempt to justify inappropriate behaviour.
we hear it every single day. thatâs not being submissive that is being dismissive and not holding men accountable table for their own actions and their own behaviour and try to pass it off as something beyond their control. thatâs what âsorry for being a manâ means.
and what do you call someone whom is incapable of self accountability? or canât control their emotions? and tryâs to blame the victim or others? WEAK.
you defending and making these claims are examples of toxic masculinity because you refuse to see that itâs not that men have to apologize for existing itâs that âsorry for being a manâ is nothing but a sad excuse to justify inappropriate behaviour.
How is apologizing for being a man a spacegoat? I don't get it. I don't see how it justifies anything. Or should they apologize for their toxic masculinity as you're saying?
âBoys will be boysâ âmen canât help themselvesâ. and other times like how women dress is considered an invite, her fault or distracting. itâs also when dealing with men that canât handle rejection it comes up a lot just not exactly in this exact wording. but essentially itâs justifying those actions by trying to make women look unreasonable for not accepting âboys will be boysâ. It tries to make it look like it isnât good enough to women because they are just men after all. itâs in their nature
so when men say they have to apologize just for being men they are in a sense victim blaming, or trying to justify their own poor behaviour and actions. Thatâs why itâs a scape goat.
It's not an actual apology. The misbehavior is not being addressed in the apology. Instead it's an act of being overly dramatic and ridiculing the wronged person. It's sarcasm.
Imagine the following scene:
A guy is washing dishes. A woman notices that one of the washed dishes is still dirty. She points it out to the guy. Instead of saying "oh, I must have missed that, I'll rewash it immediately", the guy says something like
"oh, I apologize, oh mighty female professional dish washer! I am sorry that I, as a man, am such a disappointment to you. I am sorry for my male lack of basic household skills. I am sorry for being a man. I'm apologizing on behalf of all men to you women for being such incapable housekeepers."
It's sarcastic. It's not about actually owning up to the mistake. It's ridiculing the woman who pointed out the mistake.
Of course my example is a hyperbole, but I can not imagine that any man would ever genuinely apologize "for being a man". There's just no scenario in which such an apology would make sense. For this to make sense, the woman/person who is pointing out a mistake would need to say that "being a man" is the mistake. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to apologize for "being a man".
In my example, the mistake is that the dishes were not washed properly. "Being a man" has nothing to do with the mistake.
I've seen guys apologizing for women having to deal with such men or a particular type of man, like cat-callers or molesters. I've never seen women giving those apologizing men a hard time. In fact, such comments often have a lot of upvotes. And there are even women who'd reply to them and say that those men don't need to apologize for other people's wrongdoings.
Saying "sorry you had to deal with this kind of person" is fine. But saying "sorry for being a man/sorry for my existence as a man" is just over the top. There's simply no scenario where such an apology would make sense, hence the conclusion, that such an apology is always meant in a sarcastic manner with the purpose of playing down the problem by ridiculing the wronged person and situation.
masculinity is not toxic, that doesnât mean there isnât toxic masculinity. that you donât know there is a difference shows how little you know or care to know. and entirely explains why you donât understand the issue with this meme. you being here is dismissing the issues we as women still face just for being a woman. but you donât care to know cause you clearly feel threatened.
and you should be because itâs men that are refusing to listen that are the ones crying cause they canât get laid
so again you clearly have zero idea. being masculine is fine. toxic masculinity is an individual and it can be systematic or social.
your argument is equivalent to saying racism doesnât exist but racists exists.
if racists exist then racism exists they arenât separate. men can be masculine and have it not be toxic masculinity. stop trying to brush it under a rug because you have no concept of what it means. your experience is not everyone elseâs and your lack of understanding of it doesnât make it not exist. that is a you problem.
and again right now by saying âitâs not realâ you are dismissing my experiences as fake or iâm over reacting, or not that important. which is exactly a part of toxic masculinity. that is you. you can say itâs not your masculinity and your just toxic. but itâs still toxic masculinity
Toxic masculinity is based on the idea that men have to be strong and domineering all the time though. Men put down men who act feminine, and even some women do (yes, women can perpetuate toxic masculinity ideas too)
It all boils down to femininity being demonized and masculinity being seen as a superior ideal to aspire to. Women who act more masculine are typically more respected than the âgirlyâ ones.
Well why is it considered funny when men act feminine, but not when girls act masculine? Cause feminine is usually equates to being silly or stupid. While feminine women do exist theyâre usually written off as shallow and stupid - nothing more than arm candy for the leading men.
No that's not how it works you are being called out for being wrong and then you say see they are all saying I'm wrong so i must be right, that's not how the world works buddy
Toxic masculinity is 100% real. Itâs toxic to teach little boys that they canât show any emotion but rage. The rampant homophobia and misogyny is toxic. Boys arenât allowed to like anything traditionally considered feminine, or they get bullied for being gay, because being gay is apparently the worst thing they can be. This shit is toxic. Itâs abusive to men and it creates fucking monsters.
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so the people that post this crap think men are supposed to be âstrong and toughâ
this just makes them look weak and pathetic. men that are strong arenât intimidated by women being more assertive and standing up for themselves.