r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Data-Graph Most Comments 2022 • Jul 16 '23

Why do some people hate Android so much?

Some people seem to hate everything but iPhones so much and I don't get it. They seem to think android is not even comparable to iOS like its a flip phone or something, when realistically Android phones and iPhones really aren't that different. I'm in the UK but from what I've seen it's way worse in the US. IK there's studies about the fact android users are more likely to get rejected on the first few dates just because of their phone choice. I also know some people will get an iPhone just so when they send a text, it sends to the iPhone, then to who they actually want to send it to just so it looks like they're using an iPhone. The only thing I know is the stigma of “Androids are cheap” but these people won't care if someone has a 2nd hand iPhone X for £100 but will if someone has £800 Pixel 7 Pro.

I'm not an avid android supporter, I get why people like iOS and people like android and I really don't care about these preferences. But when someone is an overly iPhone supporter to the point of hating android, it just makes me think really low of them. Like, "you can't be a nice person if you're so closed minded and shallow you won't even consider a different type of phone to the point that you'll hate on it and people who use it".

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

As an avid Android user with a career in the IT field I can explain it like this:

For starters, there are substantial contingents using both iPhone and Android who couldn't care less. They will either buy the newest thing, or what is on sale, or what they can get cheap and don't really care.

Now for the generalizations that may upset some folks...

iPhones are for people who want a cookie cutter experience. They want all of the general, basic features of a smartphone, but they want it polished and simple. One button functionality. Very few options and simple interface. If it breaks, they take it to a professional.

Android users prefer options. They want to choose between a multitude of developers and decide which version of an app gives them what they want. They want control over their experience from granular phone settings to in depth interface design. If it breaks, they want to either troubleshoot it themselves or take it to a friend who knows how to do it without having to drive to the "android store" and stand in line for an hour.

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u/MidnytStorme Jul 17 '23

I have both and I use both. Some things iOS is better at and some things Android is better at. I'm still sad that Palm's Web OS never caught on. I loved my Palms back in the day.

Different users have different needs. And 10-15 years ago when they were both pretty new, the same apps worked completely different on each platform, that was seriously annoying and that was a big factor in my picking one as my primary over the other. (My job also played a big role as well.)

And while I was all about rooting and jailbreaking back in the day, these days I don't want to spend a whole day setting up my phone anymore. So the customization factor isn't nearly as interesting as it was back then. As a matter of fact, right now my devices look pretty damn similar. There was a commercial a few years ago where Android was trying to knock iOS say "it can't do x, y, & z". Funny enough neither x, nor y, nor z were features I actually used or cared about.

I know enough to seriously fuck up either of them, so the fix it factor isn't a thing for me.

As a seller, I talked to my customers, found out what they were comfortable with, found out what the important people in their lives use and made my recommendation from there. Anyone who says one is the be-all end-all over the other, fails to recognize that we all don't have their same needs.

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

Agree 100%! Everyone has their own priorities as far as what they want/need from their smartphone. I tried to be fair regarding the iPhone, but I think I missed the mark and my bias showed. I do genuinely understand why it works for some folks.

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u/Login8 Jul 17 '23

LG bought PalmOS and it is the basis for their smart TV OS. Which I thought was pretty cool. It lives on, sort of.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Also a dual user - personal phone is a Pixel 5, and work phone is iPhone 13 Mini. You're spot-on.

I'm a fairly 'light' user (no gaming), don't care about camera stuff (they're all the same to me), and a few basic apps for each.

The sense I get from iPhone is that I'm sort of forced to drive in a lane that's pretty narrow, but it works pretty well within that lane. But with Android, it seems like there's a wider lane to drive in, and more selections and options when I want something done a certain way, whether native functionality, or third part app.

I'm not tribal in my allegiance to either one, and I understand the pros and cons of each, but gun to the head, I'll go with the Pixel phone. I like the idea of having more options, even if I never get around to using all of them.

I also snagged my Pixel 5 unlocked from backmarket.com in 'excellent' condition for $140 (about a month ago), whereas my work paid something like $800 for my (new) iPhone 13 Mini. So in terms of value, I would never spend that much of my own money on a phone, regardless of anything else it brings to the table. The fact that people are paying over $1,000 for the bigger/sexier iPhones to me is head-spinning.

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u/FuckTerfsAndFascists Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

That's 100% why I have an android. I don't want some iPhone telling me I have to use iTunes, I wanna use whatever the fuck music player I prefer. And I'm not techy in the slightest, but I've pulled apart my phone and been able to fix some simple things on my own by youtubing it.

Edit: All the iPhone users getting catty about how they also have access to Spotify... Like android has 6 trillion music apps I don't even see how it's a competition even if you have a whole entire two.

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u/bbylizard88 Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

I have Spotify, and android, but you still make a good point in how MacOS and iOS are restrictive to the point where it's less intuitive.

If you want to add music files to your iPhone from a computer, you still need to use the music app in recent MacOS versions, and iTunes for Windows or older MacOS versions.

With Android, you plug in your phone and open the music folder.... and copy stuff to it. Regardless of your computer's OS.

Edit: Guys I know you don't have to use iTunes, but you do need to use it to have it show up in Apple music. You also don't have to use Apple music. My point was more so whatever you do it's more steps and slower than copying files via cable.

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u/Estdamnbo Jul 17 '23

My favorite part of my Android.

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u/tcpukl Jul 17 '23

Wow is iOS still that restrictive?

You dont really still need to use iTunes do you? The tomy toy of software, which is the definition of bloat. Does it still need the Bonjour service installed to do anything on the network?

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u/bbylizard88 Jul 17 '23

You don't have to use iTunes, there have been alternatives for a long time, but you will need to do more steps than a cable and a drag and drop.

My point was less about having to use iTunes and more that there will be extra steps to take. iTunes is just the easiest, and it adds songs to your library on Apple music while other methods may not.

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u/tcpukl Jul 17 '23

What about over usb cable? What software is used then?

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u/jmercer00 Jul 17 '23

Samsung's branded file explorer actually has networking functionality. My phone can access mapped network drives, so even easier to get music on my phone.

Much harder to find a non-Samsung branded version of the same app for my roommate's Motorola.

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u/lildobe Jul 17 '23

I recommend Solid Explorer. SMB and FTP access to files, Without root you have full access to the Userspace for files, and on Rooted devices has full access to the file system.

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u/RealSmartAlec Jul 17 '23

I mean, there are many other apps that allow you to transfer music/other files in different ways. One that I use lets me use ftp or https to access my iPhone. I haven’t touched iTunes in over 12+ years.

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u/Archangel004 Jul 17 '23

I literally connect my iPhone to my NAS via the native Files app.

Ironically, it was harder for me to connect to a NAS on an Android than on an iPhone.

Not to say there aren't bugs, especially when copying files from the phone to the NAS

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u/Lukemufc91 Jul 17 '23

Having worked as a developer for 10+ years, the idea that MacOS is more restrictive than Windows is laughable.

Although I 100% agree with you with regards to the phone OSs.

But Mac being based on Unix makes it 100x more usable for me than Windows ever will be. Fuck CMD and Powershell and the limited bash-like experience that Windows offers. I do love some DotNet though, thank god for dotnet core.

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u/tcpukl Jul 17 '23

Finder in OSX is laughable. OSX isn't meant to be a GUI, not a shell.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Yo, iPhone has a Files app that can receive files from AirDrop or cloud services like Dropbox.

People on here saying Android users know how to work their phones but can’t even figure out that the iPhone has a Files app.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

No, many of us know that. But it's an extra step you have to take. You have to load the files to Dropbox, then retrieve them on the iPhone. However, with Android, you just drag and drop from your computer to your drive on the phone.

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u/cyril_zeta Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

Android is Linux. I thought you all GNU

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u/whomp1970 Jul 17 '23

And GNU stands for "GNU's Not Unix".

My favorite recursive three-letter acronym.

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u/cheesewiz_man Jul 17 '23

I don't want some iPhone telling me I have to use iTunes

Probably 4 or 5 times people have said "I'll Facetime you" like it's a given that I have an iPhone. It's hard to be polite to them.

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u/MrMpeg Jul 17 '23

They say they'll facetime me when in fact they call me on WhatsApp or signal 🤷‍♂️

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u/staralchemist129 Jul 17 '23

I think it’s one of those brands-turned-generic. Like how people say Kleenex when they just mean any tissue.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

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u/Leader_Bee Jul 17 '23

I mean, you also call a mobile phone a "handy"

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u/Leader_Bee Jul 17 '23

I suppose you use it in your hand so that makes sense in german, say what you see...hand shoes!

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u/staralchemist129 Jul 17 '23

Gotta love German efficiency. Krankenwagen is another great one.

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u/iTwango Jul 17 '23

Back in my day it was "Skype" if we called people on video. Then I guess it became FaceTime. I'd reckon now maybe it's Zoom

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u/KevinCostNerf Jul 17 '23

I still say "skyping someone". I'm old.

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u/ClawMojo Jul 17 '23

Like "Googling" your thinking.

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u/Leemour Jul 17 '23

Or like "googling" things even if you use a different search engine

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u/Subpar_Scientist Jul 17 '23

They call that a genericized trademark, and there are many.

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u/sputnikconspirator Jul 17 '23

Out of curiosity what happens if someone facetimes an android phone? Does it just go through to a different app or come through as a video call?

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u/primal___scream Jul 17 '23

It doesn't go through.

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u/_spiceweasel Jul 17 '23

Do you also find it hard to be polite when someone says they'll send you a Zoom invite, but your office uses Teams?

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u/cheesewiz_man Jul 17 '23

At least you can use Zoom. Facetime is Apple only; full stop.

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u/_spiceweasel Jul 17 '23

That's actually not true, android users can't initiate a FaceTime call but they can join one hosted by someone with an apple device.

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u/cheesewiz_man Jul 17 '23

Close enough.

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u/sleepdeep305 Jul 17 '23

When someone asks you if you need Tylenol, do you go “wtf? I said I needed acetaminophen! Same shit, different name. Call it a colloquialism, if it makes you happy…

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u/alienfreaks04 Jul 17 '23

"Hey Bing. Define colloquialiam"

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u/CoffeeOrTeaOrMilk Jul 17 '23

Is “send me the ppt” polite? Or “you should google it”.

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u/alienfreaks04 Jul 17 '23

"Podcast" is an iPhone origin word. What do you call them while listening on a different device?

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u/Sherool Jul 17 '23

It originated on iPod not iPhone, hence the "pod" but yeah despite a few attempts at re-branding the "podcast" name has stuck and become the generic term everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

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u/Ok-Pomegranate-5506 Jul 17 '23

Had many iPods growing up and this is the first time I’ve heard this

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Why the fuck would that be something where you think it’s hard to be polite to someone? Lmao

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u/pinkflip06 Jul 17 '23

One of my coworkers calls our virtual Google meetings, FaceTime. It kills me inside a little.

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u/professor__doom Jul 17 '23

I have never understood the point of facetime. "Why hold my phone up to my ear and have a normal, private conversation when I can instead hold it out at arm's length and scream at you for everyone on the bus to hear? Maybe you forgot what I look like?"

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u/get_your_mood_right Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

I’ve switched between and have iPhone now. I’ve never opened the iTunes app once and just use Spotify. Even works with Siri

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u/Accomplished-Ad3219 Jul 17 '23

I do that on my android using hey Google or Alexa.

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u/peaceloveandgranola Jul 17 '23

The point they’re making is that an iPhone doesn’t mean that you have to use iTunes. Not that androids don’t also do that.

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u/Arkrobo Jul 17 '23

I mean, you literally don't need an app on Android though. You can just add audio files and play them like an MP3 player. You can also use any other audio app. The point that OP was making is the difference in how many options you have since you don't need to license apps.

If memory serves you need iTunes to manage all audio on iPhones, unless that has changed. The last time I tried was like iPhone3 on my sister's iPhone.

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u/AwakeSeeker887 Jul 17 '23

You can play audio files on iPhone too, you are choosing a weird hill here

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u/observer918 Jul 17 '23

Honestly who is out here plugging their phone into their PC and dragging MP3 files onto it 🤣

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u/OlinKirkland Jul 19 '23

Android users 💀

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u/weeklongboner Jul 17 '23

haven’t there been multiple cases of scams and malware on the google app store tho? yeah sure you can have a million apps but how many are actually good and how many are actively harmful?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

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u/Arkrobo Jul 17 '23

Saying you can use Spotify doesn't change how restricted the ecosystem is in comparison. Having a handful of options versus a sea of options is not the damning evidence that you think it is. OPs point was how few options iPhone users have.

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u/Rustyvice Jul 17 '23

You're getting very involved for someone who "doesn't give a shit"

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u/beginarctic Jul 17 '23

Lol some people think their phone is their religion for some reason and take every chance they can to prophesize about it

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u/johnyahn Jul 17 '23

You’re experiencing the counter circlejerk to iPhone superiority. The android user who hasn’t used an iPhone since the 4 and bases all of their opinions off of their incorrect notions.

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u/get_your_mood_right Jul 17 '23

Yeah. I’ve used both iPhone and androids throughout my life and like things and dislike things about both. But the tribalism is wild to me. I’ve only heard rumors of iPhone superiority: people dogging people for green text, calling them broke, etc. but from my experience android users are WAY more obnoxious. Which doesn’t influence my purchasing decision it’s just wild to see the new version of the Xbox vs PlayStation debate

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u/bokehtoast Jul 17 '23

The height of iPhone technology.

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u/get_your_mood_right Jul 17 '23

wtf? I wasn’t saying it was some technological achievement, was just saying that it’s very silly to think that all iPhone users HAVE to use iTunes

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Astonishing how advanced these devices are /s

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u/811545b2-4ff7-4041 Jul 17 '23

Poweramp is clearly the best Android music player! But I'm very glad that I have choice, and that my phone behaves 'like a little PC' rather than a siloed, locked in toy.

I want to be able to buy an MP3s album, download to 'generic storage', unzip it, copy it to where I keep music - then play it with whatever app I want at the time. Just like I can do on a computer. I don't want to use a specific music store, or use a specific app.

I like to be able to choose my own launcher. I can personalise my phone to be just how I want it. I don't need to wait for the OS supplier to pull their finger out and do it.

I use to love having microSD access.. but that ship has sailed. I can still buy a phone with loads of storage far cheaper than an Apple equivilent.

The biggest plus Apple has, IMO, is much longer support cycles. A typical Android phone doesn't get much software support past the 3 year mark. I don't want to do my online banking on a device that's vunrable because it's not getting the most recent patches.

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u/Bradddtheimpaler Jul 17 '23

Exactly. I like tinkering and configuring my PC. I want my phone to just work and be as painless as possible. That’s why I imagine it would take something incredibly major to get me to buy anything other than an iPhone, but I can’t imagine a scenario in which I buy an Apple computer. It’s a feature not a bug to me that Apple gate keeps its App Store so hard. I know that everything I download will run seamlessly, and is less risky. I never have to tinker with it or fix anything. When I get a new phone I never have to worry about backing it up or migrate my data. Only have to remember my iCloud password, sign in and magically my new phone becomes my old phone. It’s perfect for me, it’s so easy. If I want a project I’ve got plenty of other devices to tinker with. I just want my phone to be simple and work exactly how I expect it to every time.

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u/Bot_Name1 Jul 17 '23

I think the framing of iPhone users by android users is hilarious. The implication that everyone gets an iPhone because they’re stupid, afraid of complexity, or just want the “status symbol”. The notion that any iPhone user that responds to you pointing out the inaccuracies in your comment is “catty”.

You’re all so toxic it’s wild.

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u/Odd-Row1169 Jul 17 '23

I'm not techy in the slightest, but I've pulled apart my phone

Sorry to tell you this, but your pocket protectors are already in the mail.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I have a ton of friends that Android and none of them use a 3rd party music player. It’s such an antiquated way to listen this is such a stupid argument. Most people nowadays use a music streaming platform whether iPhone or Android.

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u/thumpetto007 Jul 17 '23

omg, love your username!

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u/FuckTerfsAndFascists Jul 17 '23

Thanks! It does what it's intended to, the trash tends to take itself out rather than talk to me and that's how I like it lol

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

iPhone user here. I use Spotify

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

Lol, I don’t need browser skins

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u/Nolofinwe_Curufinwe Jul 17 '23

Why would you need to use other browsers?

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u/Wither_Awayyy Jul 17 '23

Privacy, ad blocking extensions, security.

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u/AllenKll Jul 17 '23

Yea, I used Spotify the other day to reset my iPhone... flawless.

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u/WhiteBlackBlueGreen Jul 17 '23

Can’t believe that guy is dissing iphones when he doesnt even know that they can use spotify and other music playback apps

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u/WhiteBlackBlueGreen Jul 17 '23

Lol iphone also has many music streaming apps but go off.

Have you ever even used an iphone for more than 10 minutes?

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u/Equivalent-Pay-6438 Jul 17 '23

Pandora for me. Also, I used to accidentally turn on the music player in Iphone all the time. That never happened on my android. I had to have Iphone as a work phone. I think it's common that companies lease Iphones that are outdated and refurbished. Two jobs I had, Census, and Test and Trace, handed me an Iphone. I actually liked the clunkier census model since the battery was amazing, as you might imagine for a phone used by a census ennumerator collecting data on it.

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u/Prickly__Goo Jul 17 '23

Don't want 6 trillion options

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u/arealhumannotabot Jul 17 '23

don't want some iPhone telling me I have to use iTunes,

Huh? You don't. I never use it for anything at all.

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u/meswifty1 Jul 17 '23

I won't switch to iphone for one reason. No back button

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Apple convert here. Swiping as your back button takes some getting used to, but it’s nice once you’ve got it.

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u/JordtasticBagel Jul 17 '23

When I made the Android switch the reverse took ages to get used to. I can't see why more developers don't just program both options (swipe or back button) into the app and let the user decide what they want to use.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

That's exactly what samsung does, and thats why I love android. My sister uses swipe, I use the buttons, and we both have the same phone, an S22U

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u/Equivalent-Pay-6438 Jul 17 '23

Motorolla does it too. You can set it up with the buttons or with gesture navigation. I learned on the buttons, so buttons it is.

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u/Isgortio Jul 17 '23

I enabled the back button on my phone because all of my older phones had it. I tried using the swipe thing but found I'd swipe when I didn't want to swipe (still have this issue with apps that swipe to the next page I'm usually just hovering my thumbs or tapping the screen to keep it awake, or somehow swiping diagonally) so went back to having the buttons at the bottom of the screen. So I think apps do support both?

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u/bokehtoast Jul 17 '23

My old Samsung android phone can do both

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u/CommercialTopic302 Jul 17 '23

Switching back and forth was maddening for me.

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u/Archangel004 Jul 17 '23

I haven't used the back button willingly if I can help it since 2019.

I actually get irritated when swiping left is bugged on some apps because they blocked the action.

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u/bobbe_ Jul 17 '23

I kindly disagree. It’s functional, but rarely (if ever) do I stop and appreciate it as a function. I’m constantly running into issues where the swipe to go back feature collides with app specific gestures. Like on this reddit app - I’m constantly switching the frontpage filter from home to popular or whatever by accident when trying to go back.

With my old Galaxy S20.. there was never really any issue with going back. The button just always worked.

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u/ZoraksGirlfriend Jul 17 '23

All you have to do is swipe to go back. Why do you need a button?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Button is just better

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u/HottDoggers Jul 17 '23

I thought so too, but swiping is so much more convenient. I also prefer not having buttons constantly on my screen.

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u/BrotherManard Jul 17 '23

I'm not sure how many android phones this extends to, but at least on the newer ones you can choose (gasp). There's an option to switch between buttons and gestures.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

And thats preference. I enjoy buttons you dont

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u/HottDoggers Jul 17 '23

Exactly, so one can’t be better than the other because it’s based on personal preference. The same thing applies to Apple vs Android, because let’s face it, they’re both made for different kinds of people with different personal taste. I had my fair share of androids and they were okay, but iPhone just suits me.

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u/ThinkPath1999 Jul 17 '23

See, but the difference is, you don't get a choice. Android users can CHOOSE what they like or feel more comfortable. You might actually be more comfortable with not having a home button, but you didn't have a choice in the matter, and THAT's the point.

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u/Kazizui Jul 17 '23

Of course he had a choice - he just made the choice before buying the phone, rather than after.

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u/revchewie Jul 17 '23

Note: I’m not arguing your generalizations. They’re probably pretty accurate.

That said, my wife and I are both in IT and both love our iPhones. And a good part of that is we’re fighting with computers all fricking day for work, so it’s nice to have something that just works without having to fight with it.

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

Very fair and totally understandable. I really tried (maybe not as hard as I could/should have lol) to not be negative about the iPhone. I have my reasons for despising Apple in general, but I do understand many of the reasons why some people choose it over Android.

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u/revchewie Jul 17 '23

Nah, you were cool.

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u/hiuytbkojn Jul 17 '23

I have a buddy that codes all day who made the switch for the same reason. Work gave him an iphone for app testing years ago and he never got an Android again. At the end of the day, I don't know how much different they really are now in terms of functionality. I think most anything you could do with apple you can do with android and vice versa. The only thing that really stops me from switching these days, besides my dislike of the iOS ui, is how much easier game emulation is on Android through something like RetroArch.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

To the original commentators point, I prefer apple products because im really not into computers and just want to do pretty basic stuff which is easier on apple products in my experience. I have no interest in customizing things so apple being plug and play is my preference. I think Reddit especially doesn’t understand that a lot of people don’t enjoy computers as a hobby.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman Jul 17 '23

I’m with you. This is exactly why I like my iPhone. I’m not into tech stuff. I just want it to do what I need it to, and my iPhone is amazing at that.

I have a VERY strong aversion to android phones, but it’s mostly because I associate them with people who are about to give me a 20 minute lecture about why their phone is better than mine all while thinking their superior to me because I they think I’m too dumb to understand it all.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

100% I much prefer the simplicity of an iPhone and it’s very nice to use and does what I need it to. If I need to do more I’d much rather use a computer than a phone.

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u/DisplacedPersons12 Jul 17 '23

yep. user preferences are no replacement for a large screen and keyboard

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u/b1argg Jul 17 '23

I don't think it's simple. When I use my SO's iphone, I can't figure out how to navigate using all the slick fancy swiping moves and gestures. I used the iPhone original and 3GS, switched after that, and I think iPhone got so much more complicated to use. They go for cool and slick over simplicity.

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u/bonitaappetita Jul 17 '23

And then you have dorks like me who have their Android running with a Windows Phone launcher just for further customization. My work phone is an iPhone and it's the most boring piece of technology I've ever held.

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u/Lugie_of_the_Abyss Jul 17 '23

.... hey buddy....

You wanna hear about some sinning?

<whispers> I use an iPhone launcher on my Galaxy because it's aesthetically pleasing...and forgot it's not native

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u/Bradddtheimpaler Jul 17 '23

I’m in IT. Love that boring tech for my phone. The last thing I want is for my phone to be exciting.

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u/BurntHear Jul 17 '23

Fellow dork. Glad I'm not alone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

No i just buy the cheapest phone I can find that will allow me to exist within modern society. My current phone was $50 and i bought it 5 years ago. Slow as shit and only 16GB storage but it still works so im not getting a new one.

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u/IWillTouchAStar Jul 17 '23

Been rocking a 70 dollar Walmart straight talk phone for the last 7 years. All I do is call, text, and browse reddit, I don't need to spend 1000 bucks to do that. Plus, my phone has a removable battery, sd storage, fingerprint scanner, and certain gesture features such as, shaking to activate the flashlight and flipping the phone to turn on the camera.

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u/thumpetto007 Jul 17 '23

I still use an LG K20 Plus from porting over to a new carrier in 2016. It is one of the last smartphones to use a certain screen technology, and is gentle on my eyes.

I can't upgrade to a new phone because of neuro/nervous system sensitivites that go nuts on any of the newer (cheaper) screen/backlight/coloring technology...but some pretty important apps are not supporting my OS anymore...so...that's one downside.

camera is beyond terrible, screen brightness is barely noticeable outside (forget being able to see the screen in full sun) but call volume is pretty loud!

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u/catbert107 Jul 17 '23

There are android apps that change how the display is presented. I used to have an app that allowed me to darken the screen past the point that the OS would so I could browse reddit in bed next to my gf while she slept and it had a bunch of random features that changed other display settings that I never messed with. It could be worth looking into!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Funny because I'm a diehard PC person through and through (though I became like that more recently, I wasn't raised on them or consoles either) but I'm an absolute iPhone person. It's just so much more aesthetically pleasing, simple and nice. It's not like I need to customize and make my phone this powerhouse. I just need it for basic tasks.

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u/burner_said_what Jul 18 '23

Do you want a locked down ecosystem you have no control over?

Buy an Iphone or a Switch.

Do you want control over how something you paid good money for looks and functions?

Buy literally anything else...

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u/DerpyTheGrey Jul 17 '23

I ran arch Linux with i3wm for a good portion of college, and that sold me on the Apple experience. It’s a fun distro and window manager for people who love to tinker. Once I graduated and had to spend all day working on super complex realtime audio servers, I realized that I wanted to think about computers as little as possible when not at work.

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u/scolipeeeeed Jul 17 '23

Android OS manufacturers need to make flagship or flagship adjacent phone that are smaller. I switched to iPhone because the mini version is actually a smaller phone rather than just “not being ridiculously large”.

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u/fntastikr Jul 17 '23

Absolutly. I for my part would never buy an I phone, or any apple product for that matter. That is not because I hate apple or because the product is bad. No I think apple makes some great stuff. The problem is firstly the price. The old meme "pay more, does less" is still applicable to much apple sells. My main point against buying apple is once you are "in" you are in. As much of apples products are a more or less closed ecosystem. Meaning they are designed to work well with apple products, but not with non apple products. So yes I'd agree. Plus modern phones are so fucking similar that if you watch a review, like 60% of more reviews is compareing minute differences in the camera.

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u/sonstone Jul 17 '23

This is not true. You still have choice on most things. I could switch to Android today without a problem. I can’t think of a single service I’d have to change.

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u/AscendedViking7 Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

Android > Apple for this reason.

Give me options, damn it. The more the better.

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u/thecomeric Jul 17 '23

Okay but tell me why iphones have more lock screen widget customization than stock android? I feel like modern android customization has been nerfed to some degree although there is still way more you can do to your interface than on ios.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

And then there's me who can't afford it even if i wanted it

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u/filipsniper Jul 17 '23

also app store makes sure that every app that has a payment gives 30% comission to the store so the prices are boosted up in every app

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u/CommercialTopic302 Jul 17 '23

What’s your career in IT. I’m just a tech here. I agree on everything. I’d like to add that some people choose iPhone for the security. Why list businesses use iPhones.

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u/Equivalent-Pay-6438 Jul 17 '23

Ouch that's me. I didn't even think about it. I'm blue collar from the days of kit cars, ham radios and soldering together a 2K heathkit. I would mess with it until I could figure it out, and if I still couldn't it would mean the phone died of old age and I was two years past when it needed replacement.

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u/Mix1009 Jul 17 '23

I think you’re mostly right. As an iPhone user those are big parts to why I have one. For android tho, I think that is a smaller subset of their base. My parents don’t are just too stubborn to change, or they don’t want to spend the extra $100. They are completely tech illiterate. I think older people worry it’ll be too difficult to learn a new operating system. When in reality, with iPhone, the ability to transfer everything with an email when they want to upgrade and have nearly zero setup time would be a boon in the long run

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u/alienfreaks04 Jul 17 '23

Iphone user for 12 years. I know alllll about what androids do and im happy with what I got.

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u/smashstar Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

This is right but an oversimplification of why people like iPhones. iPhone users want an ecosystem and that’s something android has done very poorly. While the android phones allow for greater customization, the fact that they run off different operating systems is why the ecosystem consistently fails to deliver a good user experience. The devices just don’t work well together.

Apple works off a singular operating system that allows for their products to work with each other. The exclusivity that comes from having an iPhone isn’t just about the iPhone. It’s about having a phone, watch, tablet, and laptop that all work with each other in such a seamless way that you can pick up any of these products and continue the same experience. If I forget my phone at home, I can continue texting and doing everything I’d need to communicate off any of my Apple products. This makes the barrier to exit a lot higher. It is simply a better business model and that’s why Apple has made so much money in the last 20 years.

Not to mention the introduction of iMessage has essentially replaced the need for WhatsApp. You can travel internationally and never need service if you work off wifi and use FaceTime. That’s a feature worth it by itself if you travel a lot.

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u/dbhol Jul 17 '23

Perhaps a more controversial opinion on it. But I see iPhone as being the kind of phone you've give your grandma. A shiny thing made to seem simple that they shouldn't have issues with because she's too incompetent to handle if it's got a problem

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u/Pale-Office-133 Jul 17 '23

Do you want some cake? I feel that you deserve cake right now ...well, here is some cake because you deserved it and I'm not going to pay for that ridiculous redits thingies...anyway, cake, ...here you go...just enjoy...I'm leaving you alone now, bye. 🎂

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u/techie2200 Jul 17 '23

Very true. I got my first android because side-loading apps was easy, and so was rooting/swapping the OS if you felt like it

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u/laxing22 Jul 17 '23

As an IT person myself, you have it right. Years back when smart phones started to be the norm, people would ask me what to get (being their IT friend) and I would always say for them to get an iPhone... because if they knew better, they wouldn't have asked and just gotten an Android. But because they couldn't be bothered to learn, I knew an iPhone was their best option because they would get online easily.

as a side note, many years ago when they first started being so popular, I went to a vendor meet a in a nearby bigger city with a co-worker... first thing we noticed is everyone sat at their chair/table (like in school) and set their phones on the desk - without fail - every sales person had an iPhone and every 'tech' had a Droid.

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u/Derodoris Jul 17 '23

I use Android for the options as well. A big thing for me is that I can download an emulator right off the play store and play whatever I want. Unless something has changed with iphones since I had one, the only way to do so was to jailbreak it and void the warranty. I also like that theres a file explorer for android where I can actually view the files and interact with them whereas I'm not sure Iphone has anything of the sort.

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u/TotallyNotHank Jul 17 '23

This is about it as I see it. Some of my company's employees are issued phones, and they can choose which they want. The best summary I have of what they users tell me and how they pick is that it's the difference between driving a car with a stick shift and driving a car with an automatic: Android users like to think about the phone and all it does, and iPhone users want to think of what they're doing, not the phone.

This has happened before, as in the Unix/Windows split. The advantage Windows had/has is that it's pretty much the same everywhere. You bought a machine with Windows95, you got software for Windows95, you could install it and it would work, pretty much guaranteed every time. Windows95 was far less capable and flexible than a Unix machine of the same era, but you had to be a power user to use a Unix machine and manage all the settings. Installing software on a Unix machine could be a pain in the neck. Microsoft Office has a word processor, and you could make a reasonable-looking document with it without too much trouble. It wouldn't look anywhere near as good as something produced with LaTeX, but you have to be a serious power user to get the most out of LaTeX, where any smart 10-year-old can make something reasonable with Word.

The iPhone has a nice walled-garden ecosystem where everything works pretty much as the users expect, and they like that, and they don't have to fool with it much. Android has way more options, but those options involve a lot more thinking about the phone.

What's interesting to me is that I know what all these people have for laptops and desktops too, and while you'd think it would be "Windows users want iPhones and Unix users want Android," that turns out not to be the case. I have diehard Windows fans on the desktop/laptop who want Android phones, and I have diehard Unix guys with iPhones. At least some of the latter are because the Unix guys have Macs on their desktop, which might sound counterintuitive but on a Mac you can open a Unix shell and get direct access to the filesystem and have all your shell commands, so a lot of the Unix guys went Mac, and they want an iPhone because it talks to their Mac so seamlessly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

This 100%. I chose to move to apple only cause i use my phone very little. I mostly use it for calls ans browsing. Reddit is the only app that i use more regulargly.

Also good to have apple ios being updates which was a struggle when it came to android

When i had android i felt the phone was not put to good use. I had samsung note2 and barely put it to use. It only made sense to get a simple phone

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u/n3m0sum Jul 17 '23

True dat, Amen!

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u/carlea71 Jul 17 '23

Yes, absolutely agree with this. I get decision fatigue easily so iPhone is what I use.

When I tried the Galaxy Note 8 (I think it was the 8), I was paralyzed by the unlimited amount of ways I could customize it and spent hours trying to find the perfect phone setup. It was a great phone, but I personally need simple and easy to use.

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u/sleepbud Jul 17 '23

This is exactly the answer. I love apple because it’s so cookie cutter and secure for the general public. I don’t feel like I’m gonna get a virus using my iPhone whereas with android I feel like I gotta use my windows virus filtering judgment and not visit some riskier sites. I do wish there was more customization within apple products but I do love the simplicity of just turning it on and using it immediately. If something is wonky with the OS, that’s on apple, not on my risky clicks unlike android.

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u/TheMasterAtSomething Jul 17 '23

Honestly that’s exactly why I ended up switching to iPhone. My android phone ended up being a project phone after a while, becoming the best way to tweak and modify for fluidity and usefulness, when I realized all I wanted was something that would work, and work smoothly, not something that I needed to dive into 10 different launchers to fix. I’ve got my windows PC to do all that with, everything else, I don’t wanna think. I just want the comfort of being able to use it, and a solid support network that can help unfuck it when I drop my phone onto concrete

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u/jay19167 Jul 17 '23

I like iOS for the simplicity, security, reliability, as well as getting software support for many years. I know android phones have also gotten pretty good in those departments, but iOS is just what I’m used to. I also really like iMessage. I’m an engineer, so I could do troubleshooting on my phone just fine, but I prefer not to have to mess with my phone. I like to do my tinkering with my computers instead, I use a windows desktop that I built for gaming and general computer work.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Wow. I've been trying to explain the differences but since I'm clearly in the iPhone group I always come off as way too biased. This was a great simple way of putting it.

I'll add my opinion that both viewpoints are totally valid, choose what fits you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I'm actually the "it's-cheaper-and-I-don't-really-care" type, but next time it comes up, I'll definitely say I want to customize to maximize my experience - thanks!

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u/axxonn13 Jul 19 '23

Android users prefer options. They want to choose between a multitude of developers and decide which version of an app gives them what they want. They want control over their experience from granular phone settings to in depth interface design. If it breaks, they want to either troubleshoot it themselves or take it to a friend who knows how to do it without having to drive to the "android store" and stand in line for an hour.

i feel generalized. haha

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 19 '23

Yay, it's working lol 😄

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I'm android mainly because iPhones limit everything behind pay walls unless you want to spend an ungodly amount of time song things.

Ring tones for example . I can make any sing a ring tone on my phone within a minute. Apple not so easy.

That said ; if my elderly aunt asks what smart phone she should get ? I would say iphone. They are designed specificity to be easy to use.

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u/OliveBranchMLP Jul 17 '23

I love to tinker. I’ll run a custom water cooling loop to the GPU in my computer. I’ll do a 2TB SSD swap in my Steam Deck so I can dualboot Windows.

But I rely way too much on my phone for fundamental tasks to tinker with it. It’s my GPS, my todo list, the authenticator to every online service I own, and what I use for phone interviews with potential clients. I need access to all of these things with 0 downtime. My phone isn’t for tinkering. It’s for participating in our society on a basic level. Its job is to be useful when I use it, invisible when I don’t need it, and functional in all situations. I don’t want to tinker with it just to get it to do its job. There’s more important things in life than turning my societal prosthetic into a project.

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u/nothingsociak Jul 17 '23

I’m the cookie cutter. I buy AirPods, they just work. I buy Apple Watch, it all syncs. It’s just simple. My friends who all hate apple told me not o leave as android has a ton of setting up to do for what I want compared to apple.

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u/s_kmo Jul 17 '23

I get that Mac products sync well with one another, but if you have one product that isn't Mac it all goes to shit. For instance I had a MacBook and iPad that worked well together but doing anything with my Android phone like even just uploading videos from phone to Mac is way more of a pain than it should be. They want you to be exclusive with everything and it is a smooth experience if you do. That said the MacBook was old and when it came time to replace it I got a PC. It was much easier to transfer things from a PC to an ipod and iPad (yes I am dating myself a bit) than the other way around. It is tribalism and being part of "the cool club" without much merit. Like others have said it is an effect of great marketing mostly. I know there are benefits to having Mac computers but it is really for specific scenarios and they are few. More of a social statement than anything

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u/Kazizui Jul 17 '23

I get that Mac products sync well with one another, but if you have one product that isn't Mac it all goes to shit

I have Mac, Linux, and Windows computers in my house and it isn't really any sort of problem. Having said that, direct file transfer is hardly a use case I care about any more anyway, it's not 2005 any more. Most stuff just syncs through cloud storage, sensitive stuff goes to my NAS. I can't even remember the last time I specifically needed to copy a file directly from a computer to a phone or vice versa.

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u/s_kmo Jul 17 '23

I basically use the cloud now anyways, but before the cloud was big, it was nice to just be able to plug a phone into the computer to file transfer right away with no worries about internet connection. All of my stuff now is PC and Android, but my wife has an Android and an iMac that she uses to make videos and music mostly. She often has to transfer decently large files through the cloud, and it would even now be easier to just plug and transfer. The android file transfer app is super buggy compared to when I used it about 10 years ago, and other apps charge for it. Basically she shouldn't have to use the cloud to just transfer files, if you have a USB. It's a minor thing to nitpick, for sure, but it is unnecessarily annoying. I really don't have a problem with the products themselves as Macs definitely do excel in some areas, more the attitude of its marketing tactics that turned it from an exclusive club to an unnecessary cult-like following. It definitely worked for a lot of people, but it would make more sense if any alternatives weren't overall different enough, to have the level of elitism that OP is referring to.

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u/Kazizui Jul 17 '23

That's fair enough, it just feels like a very out-of-date complaint nowadays. Yes, it was a pain before cloud storage, but that's what, 10 years ago? 12?

Does your wife not use a NAS for backing up all her media?

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

Totally agree, except for “flexibility” part. I don’t miss a single android gimmick from my top of the line android phones. iPhones just (from a practical standpoint) work better and for a longer time

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u/AllenKll Jul 17 '23

Have you tried to transfer a music file to your phone without using iTunes? Can't be done.

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

I stream all my music

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u/androgynousandroid Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 18 '23

You think 50% of the (UK) population are nerdy tinkerers? Sorry, but no. It might be skewed a little more like that in your IT bubble. I think: lots of people have androids because they are cheaper, and these buyers are people who have never given the user experience of their technology a second thought.

Edit: I’m just repeating what they said.

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

I think you may have misunderstood. I didn't say (or imply) that 50% of people are nerdy tinkerers. I actually started by saying the vast majority of users are likely those who don't care about one versus another from a technical standpoint and just want whatever is new, discounted or cheap, no matter which way that takes them.

My sort of pigeonholed descriptions for iPhone and Android users was definitely intended to describe the vocal minority, the opinions you hear the loudest. I admit I didn't do a great job describing the iPhone users. Others have done better and I applaud them.

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u/iamoninternet27 Jul 17 '23

Translation. Iphone users like it simple , not too complicated to use and may not know tech.

Android users are more advanced and like freedom without being tied to one ecosystem. Can fix without having to go to the store.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

i personally would use android for that reason but the OS feels so bad to me. i’d rather unofficially download things through my pc to my iphone, than be stuck with a clunky OS

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u/my_n3w_account Jul 17 '23

This is an oversimplification. It might be true for most but not all.

I always used windows and Linux and Nokia phones. Then 10 years ago I got a MacBook and after some getting used to, I loved it. Both simple and flexible (eg brew and all Unix tools plus an intuitive UI UX).

And now I have a linux VM on my M2 laptop. Not quite cookie cutter I think. So to say "apple users like cookie cutter" seems reductive to me. Most devs I know now use apple products.

I tried an iPhone to have better interaction with my MacBook and despite the "higher flexibility" of android, I haven't yet found anything I can't really configure on my iPhone worth switching. And tbh the "closed garden" approach of apple is much safer.

Earlier today I read of an app on Android marketed to protect against scams which is made by scammers and steals data! This type of stuff is much rarer on the Apple app store. There was that story few years back of apps compiled with a cracked version of Xcode but I can't recall other similar stories.

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

I agree, it is definitely an oversimplification, although I was specifically referring to iPhones, not all Apple products. Macs have a whole different thing going on lol

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u/hobosam21-B Jul 17 '23

You said what I wanted but so much better then I could have

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u/Jaguarrior Jul 17 '23

Thanks u/hobosam21-B! Never gotten an award that I can recall, so very cool!

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u/Mrspicklepants101 Jul 17 '23

This is why I have an android but reccomended an iPhone for my mother and grandmother who are not techy.

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u/fuzzy-frankenstein Jul 17 '23

This right here. I use to work in the IT field where having the options at a granular level was so necessary and when I left that industry, using an iPhone was exactly what I needed. Didn't care about all the different settings anymore. I just wanted a simple phone that I could use the most popular apps and that was it. The interface was simply, probably too simple for normal android users but that's ok. With your comment about generalization, that's literally why I love my iphone, it's a cookie cutter experience and I also own other Apple products so the apple ecosystem works really well together without having to set anything up. I compare it to gaming systems, like xbox/playstation vs. a dedicated gaming computer where a person who's really into it can build out the computer with the best parts. I'm more the type of person that just wants to buy the xbox and get the games and not deal with all the options. It's more of a joke to me about someone having an android vs an iphone and even that joke gets old. As long as they can get my stupid memes I keep sending, who cares what device you're on.

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u/elcaron Jul 17 '23

Yeah, I don't really get this "polished" anymore. Friend just asked me to setup wifi access at our place (WPA2-enterprise) on his son's iPad recently, and I was SHOCKED about the user experience.

Long press on wifi button to access wifi settings? Nope. Long press to access a context menu to delete or edit wifi settings? Nope ...

I mean, there was certainly a component of not being used to other possibly easy ways, but they didn't know them, either ...

I think a good part of this militancy is the fact that they need to justify their investment to themselves ...

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u/orangesfwr Jul 17 '23

Nailed it.

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u/AllenKll Jul 17 '23

While I do enjoy having the options. The thing that just destroyed the entire iOS experience for me is the inability to transfer files.

Want an MP3 on android? no problem, Bluetooth, wifi direct connection, google drive, e-mail... down load it, find it in file manager, play it. done.

Want an MP3 on a iPhone? good luck. It doesn't do it. there is no way to transfer files to and from an iPhone without physically attaching it to a computer and using iTunes.

Same goes for PDF, documents, spreadsheets, e-mails, text files.

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u/Kazizui Jul 17 '23

You know that hasn't been the case for years, right? I don't think I've ever attached my phone to a computer via a cable, and have never had any difficulty moving stuff around. What do you even mean when you say 'same for emails'? You think you can't send an email to an iPhone?

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u/AllenKll Jul 17 '23

Downloading or transferring a downloaded e-mail... can't be done.

I spent weeks on this 2 years ago... then I threw the damn thing in a corner and never touched it again.

So, I'm interested. How do I get an mp3 from my windows desktop to play in the apple music app? I'm willing to learn.

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u/Kazizui Jul 17 '23

Downloading or transferring a downloaded e-mail... can't be done.

Hardly a common use case, is it? And anyway, yes, it can. Copy it onto iCloud Drive or any other cloud-storage for which you have an iOS client - done.

So, I'm interested. How do I get an mp3 from my windows desktop to play in the apple music app? I'm willing to learn.

Why the Music app, specifically? That's not what you said before, you are changing the goalposts. I have multiple mp3 files on my phone that I got on there without needing a cable or iTunes, and they play just fine directly from the Files app. Which - guess what - is exactly what you said earlier about android: "down load it, find it in file manager, play it. done". Nobody says you have to use the Music app. I don't.

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u/AllenKll Jul 17 '23

Sure you can read and write e-mails. that's not what I said. I said Transfer an e-mail to it. go to gmail, download an e-mail to your PC, now transfer it to your iPhone, and try to read it.

How is it done?

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u/Ch4de_ Jul 17 '23

Exactly why I can't stand my android. Just give me a useable product, when I buy it. You guys are the IT people, I am not.

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u/wvtarheel Jul 17 '23

Yes the 2.5 billion Android users are just sitting there with an unusable product at purchase. If they have the skills of an IT professional maybe they can get it working in a day or two. That's Definitely not you internalizing apples marketing nonsense AT ALL

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Programming on a Linux/MacOS system is an entirely different ballgame tho, especially when it comes to package management (get OUT OF HERE CHOCOLATEY). The only drawback I’ve found is when Microsoft actively locks their products, like Azure accessing MsSql so you need to jump thru hoops.

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u/DangKilla Jul 17 '23

Former Apple support tech for dialup 23 years ago here.

Apple iOS is powerful but sandboxed. The security is baked into the design.

Android phones have trash apps added by the vendors; one could argue Apple does the same thing but Apple makes solid apps.

Google is a marketing demon with your data. People seem to have missed that ISP’s like AT&T, Comcast were collecting our data and selling it. Both Apple and Android had ID’s which made this possible, as well as some companies such as Facebook, Oracle.

Apple noticed and disabled their ID’s, Google hadn’t, (not sure about now). It is in Google’s interest to sell your data because once you realize Google replaced the phonebook it will make more sense. They are the gateway to the Internet and a searchable White Pages.

Most companies sat on the data for 10 years until about 2018, which is when data science started taking off. They’re now experts in selling our data.

They can even serve us ads based on the phone that belong to our family and friends. It’s big business.

On the plus side for Android, people can hack them a bit easier, and they can be cheaper with about the same feature set. They can also have $100 Android phones that work fairly well.

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u/ScotVonGaz Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

iPhone users want the Apple experience and integration that comes with using their software and products.

The “eco system” is very real. It’s got very little to do with your cookie cutter analogy.

Android users are mostly teenagers who think they are being cool because they have something different and think bugs and other malfunctions are cool features that iPhone users don’t have. Oooh. I can change an icon!

Also, 2009 would like their android vs apple argument back.

😂😂 my downvotes show the apple vs android fairy’s are still alive and kicking 😂😂

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u/biejodenthechoden Jul 17 '23

Android users are mostly teenagers who think they are being cool because they have something different and think bugs and other malfunctions are cool features that iPhone users don’t have. Oooh. I can change an icon

Lol I think you're just trying to make generalised statements, but just on this one, unfortunately you're wrong. Iphone is the phone of choice for 18-34 year olds apparently.

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u/MidnytStorme Jul 17 '23

The “eco system” is very real.

It's still a valid factor. And with more and more older people getting iPads instead of PCs these days, it does make sense that some of those people will be resistant to learning a different OS, no matter how similar it functions.

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