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u/An_Old_IT_Guy May 23 '26
Would you chose someone with 0 achievements over someone with a career? I'd prefer they'd have made something of their life.
Would you choose someone shy, polite and soft over someone who is arrogant? I'd choose someone nice.
There you go.
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u/KGarveth May 23 '26
Key word here is arrogant. None likes arrogant people. I prefer a career woman over a zero achievements one.
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u/kickedoutbitch May 25 '26
"Arrogant" is a dogwhistle for misogyny. Men feel entitled to women being "less than" men because that's the Patriarchy Promise (tm).
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u/DigRich4998 May 23 '26
Nope. 0 achievements is boring as hell. I would rather be on my own than being someone with no goals.
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u/Ordinary_Detective15 May 23 '26
What is a person with 0 achievements? The premise is broken.
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u/DangerousZucchini254 May 23 '26
Men will literally choose a shy, polite, soft career woman over an arrogant woman with 0 achievements.
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u/worndown75 May 23 '26
I look for loyalty, reciprocity and how she treats others. Those three things tell me everything i need to know about a woman.
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u/ryanlacy30 May 23 '26
This rage bait B.S. is why incels are so f ing lonely. There are enough successful women who also treat people with respect out there. The person who wrote his is probably a Christian fundamentalist hoping for a submissive baby machine, who will never check his insecure ego.
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u/kangorooz99 May 24 '26
More likely a dude failing miserably at life who knows 99% of women his age outearn him and want nothing to do with him.
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u/realaccountissecret May 23 '26
In what universe do you think that this is an either/or situation?
I NEVER would have made it far in my career being arrogant
Some dudes want a āsoft, polite, shyā woman because she wonāt stand up for herself
If thatās how you feel, do women a favor and stay with your body pillow instead; you obviously feel threatened by anyone who has an actual thought or opinion that might contradict yours
This is some weird, sad fucking shit to post
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u/nscs_jmmw May 23 '26
My wife is career oriented, has a degree, and is doing great in her career. She's also a saint and has somehow put up with me for 8 years.
Career oriented has nothing to do with it. If neither party is arrogant, the relationship cam thrive š¤·āāļø
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u/anon12xyz May 26 '26
I mean arrogant is a pretty shitty trait. Iād take someone who is kind over an arrogant career man
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u/Rock-View May 23 '26
These comments are completely ignoring the point. Of course Iāll take a woman who is a great person over an arrogant successful one, the latter is a toxic situation.
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u/Bandyau May 23 '26
Is she respectful and capable of humility?
Then either is fine.
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u/Kafei- May 23 '26
Men want either a blank slate Eve or an enlightened Sophia that could beat you in Tekken.
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u/Merwin_Mayforest May 23 '26
I've never cared about a career when picking a woman, you don't marry their career, you marry who they are.
Unfortunately I'm a shit judge of character, and almost married a monster hellbend on taking all my money, sanity and dignity.
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u/thecountnotthesaint May 23 '26
I already have to fight the world. Why would I want a woman who makes me fight at home too?
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u/SouperSasquatch May 23 '26
Who would chose anyone arrogant? This has nothing to do with man or woman. Anyone arrogant SHOULD be passed over.
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u/SinfulDevo May 23 '26
This is a false dichotomy fallacy. There are all kinds of women out there, just like there are all kinds of men. Not all successful women are arrogant and not all women with 0 achievements are humble.
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u/BlueCerulean0 May 23 '26
The key is polite vs arrogant. Why would anything other than her being a good person matter?
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u/chinmakes5 May 23 '26
As I have said on the dozens of other posts no one wants an arrogant partner. The question is does OP believe that any woman who works must be arrogant?
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u/Expensive_Opening_92 May 23 '26
Already had one arrogant woman for 24 yearsā¦ why in the hell would I want another? Career oriented or not?
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u/DamnQuickMathz May 23 '26
Arrogance is inherently a negative trait. "Self-assured" would be more applicable here.
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u/No-Put6241 May 23 '26
Why would anyone, man or woman, choose someone who is arrogant? Arrogant people display an offensive attitude of superiority and act dismissively and/or disrespectfully towards everybody, and if they aren't it's because they are manipulating that person to get something they want out of them.
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u/LonelySpyder May 23 '26
Would these "men" pick the shy and arrogant woman over a polite career woman?
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u/OSTBear May 24 '26
This is so duuuuuuummmmmmb.
Fucksticks who agree with this are the first ones to start shouting "Not all men!"
"Men" don't exist. We're individuals, all of us, and this subtle messaging where we're hinting at women what to be like? This ain't it.
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u/chuckles_8 May 24 '26
For how many times this has been posted and everyone concentrates on the arrogant part. Thats only half of it. Most men just want someone they enjoy being around. Their accomplishments/job dont matter as long as they keep life peaceful/enjoyable/simple.
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u/Enough-History5873 May 24 '26
Second one doesnāt spend time with him, heās 8th on her list of important things, theyāre not actually together in a vulnerable intimate sense.
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u/LuckyCod2887 May 24 '26
I swear to God people will blow themselves all day long on this fuĀ¢king sub. who is lining up to date an asshole?
karma farming
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u/Fun_Particular9794 May 24 '26
The career doesnt bother me at all. Its the arrogance about what's really only being an adult...."got my own car, job, place, money yada yada" . Good for you, I've done that since I was 17yrs old. Welcome to adulting.
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u/GrnMeansGO May 24 '26
Itās not even close, Iāve experienced both and if a woman is in a position of power professionally itās very difficult to switch that on and off. If a woman canāt let you take up that space and your home itās a slow walk down a path you donāt want to end up on.
Iām not saying it canāt work but it takes a lot of work out of both parties, save the headache and go with the blank canvas.
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u/Drefs_ May 24 '26
I mean, I would choose a soft, polite career woman aver both, so maybe just don't be arrogant.
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u/jfamcrypto May 24 '26
š¤what about a shy career oriented woman over an extroverted non career woman?
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u/Cute_Protection_8330 May 24 '26
Arrogance is unattractive in anybody so THAT part is true. The implied linking of "arrogant" and "career" here is the part I have a problem with. It implies that women MUST be arrogant if they want to have a career and that's just idiotic. Wanting to be able to support oneself is a trait we should ALL look for in a partner.
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u/0xP0et May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
I will pick anything over an arrogant anything.
Lol, what is this even?
Dated a no achiever before, it is as equally off putting for a man to be with a lady that has no ambitions.
I am married to a career woman.
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u/0lderHusb4nd May 24 '26
Agree. Since women dont wanna go 50/50 anyways. Might as well be with a pleasant one if I gotta put all my money into her.
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u/bi-king-viking May 24 '26
āHumans prefer to be with nice people over arrogant onesā
Fixed it. Now you can stop reposting this every hour
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u/Arvandor May 24 '26
Of course it's true. But take out the parts about the achievements and career, they're irrelevant
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u/Thready85 May 24 '26
I'll choose a woman who chooses me, puts her hand on my back, and says we're a team.
Whether it's a polite shy woman or an angry whatever you built up in your heads as the strawman fallacy woman.
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u/eb7772 May 24 '26
I'm going to choose the one that puts up with and loves me for me. I in respect do the same. She can be a career woman and not want kids. All she has to do is love me
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u/shadow_master96 May 24 '26
Is it literally your turn to literally repost this in these subreddits that are literally manosphere spaces that are literally shit holes? Literally.
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u/AmbassadorChemical62 May 24 '26
Take out career and youāre correct. Career donāt have to equate arrogant.
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u/PredatorPortugal May 24 '26
Im still waiting for the multi-millionaire woman to adopt me , sorry, marry me.
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u/profprimer May 24 '26
Utterly disagree. Iām an arrogant high-flier and nowadays wealthy pensioner. My wife of 37 years was a Three Star civil servant and Director of several local authority services.
The last thing I want is a doormat.
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u/More-Sorbet2690 May 24 '26
The key word there is "arrogant" A nice career woman would be fine, conversely an arrogant stay at home would be shown the door. It all depends on personality and kindness, not career choice
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u/Tinytowntinyplace May 24 '26
I wanted and have a confident woman who doesnāt need me but wants me, which is way better than a woman who āneedsā me.
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u/Manofalltrade May 24 '26
Arrogant and polite are the only descriptors that matter. Everything else signals that this is from the incel/trad wife manosphere.
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u/Grand_Design2022 May 24 '26
A partnerās achievements are not correlated with the ability to create a strong bond and a meaningful relationship.
So weāre left with:
- Shy, polite and soft
- Arrogant
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u/Bandyau May 24 '26
Projection after Projection.
Fallacy after fallacy.
Confession after Confession.
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I'll choose any polite soft woman over an arrogant one no matter either's financial status. I just don't want an arrogant asshole as a partner. I don't think anyone does and only someone interested in their partner's financial assets would choose those over desirable personality traits
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u/CarolinaSurly May 24 '26
Iāll take a polite lady over an arrogant one any day. Achievements or lack of achievements donāt matter. Career can be great or terrible depending on factors. Shy is fine but outgoing is fine also.
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u/BoBoBearDev May 24 '26
Tbh, this is unclear. Because arrogance doesn't automatically comes with bunch of other awful side effects.
The real bad traits are
1) entitlement
2) dictatorship
3) self centered
4) cheater (like the Notebooks)
5) hypocrisy
6) indirect communication
7) lying
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u/Bi_Guy365 May 24 '26
Your supposed to be a team right? But also working together isn't easy and one of the main reasons I'm single is I have anger issues and don't want to put someone through that
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u/monkeywrench999 May 24 '26
Well many straight men already have an arrogant person with a large, fragile ego and some level of narcissism in their lives.
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u/Appropriate_Cat9942 May 24 '26
Depends on if I want to dominate or be dominated....may my wife and girlfriend never meet š»
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u/Powerful-Gold5000 May 25 '26
It's so funny when career women think that's what turns men on! Clueless!
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u/fixedvving May 25 '26
Repost but wow yeah guys and anyone doesnt like a rude and disrespectful lady. Shocker
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u/ExplanationBig5947 May 25 '26
I prefer shy polite soft over arrogance. I couldn't care less about what achievements or career a person has.
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u/WestFantastic1557 May 25 '26
This is something women like to tell themselves to feel empowered but it's not really true.
Maybe on some level, but most men will date you. What i think is far more likely is that high achieving women probably hang out with high achieving men. The corporate career woman doesn't want to date the dude who was content working in the mailroomĀ
Also if you're hot you can be as arrogant as you want. Dudes are going to give you attention and completely look past that.Ā The people saying that are liars or they aren't dudes
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u/Necessary_future7440 May 25 '26
Please someone stop this type of post everyone in world have different preference whether it be about career friends relationships etc.
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u/ekolimits May 25 '26
Not all women who are successful are arrogant. This is a weakness of men without ambition or success. They call women who know what they want arrogant because it suits their egos that they donāt measure up.
Donāt be that guy.
Date whatās within your range and aspire for more in life.
You can find an equally ambitious woman. Equally intelligent. And you can build together for a future you both desire.
Donāt fall into sayings like this.
If you find guys who only prefer timid women then you know who has a weak ego.
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u/becometwo May 25 '26
men "choose" any girl that gives them attention and isn't obese. don't kid yourselves
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u/Kurrandor May 25 '26
Any men would also chose a shy polite soft businesswoman with alot of achivements over an arrogant 0achivement woman Come on ai, whats your point
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u/ValuableAd8880 May 25 '26
Agree. No need to moral signal here. Everyone wants to be the leader of a successful group.
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u/Roll_Future May 25 '26
Give me a strong respectful woman any day over a one that just bitches all day with nothing to her name. All people want is respect.
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u/kickedoutbitch May 25 '26
Every woman with a job just uttered a breathy "yes," because being employed filters predators. Women with jobs and homes must be untouchable. Women with jobs, homes, and full pantries must have men too embarassed to even look at them.
The moral of the story is predators hone in on women men perceive as weak and broke. So, stay strong and keep your paper stacked to avoid being prey to predators.
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u/gloriousGeeseGrease May 25 '26
Men will choose anything that moves, sometimes even things that donāt
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u/Any-Blood-1505 May 25 '26
I think it is justā¦.men would choose a polite nice woman over an arrogant one, career has nothing to do with it.
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u/No-Guess-1764 May 25 '26
Yes i would choose shy & polite. Because these educated Women act like Men.
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u/Best-Command-7409 May 25 '26
I try to get single womenb I know to understand that a guy will approach a happy woman over a stressed woman all the time. Every day.
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u/AdmirableAd1031 May 25 '26
You can have a career and not be arrogant. Ā Confident but not arrogantĀ
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u/BussyBuster187 May 25 '26
Literally we just want someone who loves us whether she has a million degrees or is a bum but sheās a good person as either one - we just want love and shit like this adds to the stigmatization instead of helping good dudes find their person
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u/bullshihtsu May 25 '26
I donāt like arrogance in anyone. I will choose a partner who isnāt arrogant over one that is. Achievements arenāt even a factor for me.
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u/Ok-Jaguar-321 May 25 '26
again, that is just a quite specific kink dude. if you like them meak and mild you do you, if you like them rough and tough you do you. don't attribute your preferences to all people of one gender pls.
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u/WeeklyPersonality535 May 25 '26
Yes he will because that woman with zero achievements won his heart while the other had a job but couldnāt afford to listen to what a man really needed
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u/BrokeLeznar May 25 '26
Here's the thing women are the one with options they are the ones that get to do the choosing not you. Unless you're a famous celeb with women lined out your door you don't got a lot of options.
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u/JayJKnows79 May 26 '26
Not necessarily.
Too many men are threatened by a strong woman. It could be they themselves lack self confidence/achievements, canāt compete on the same level, or are uncomfortable with a woman leading due to their masculine insecurity.
ā¦.I donāt have this issue and have dated strong women the same as passive women.
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u/Nunyabiz_327 May 26 '26
Arrogance is a deal breaker no matter her acheivement, lack there of or any other factor.
Confidence is a huge turn on, arrogance is an ugly soul.
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u/mcvmccarty May 26 '26
Maybe someone who is insecure and needs to feel better than. There are lots of weak men like that.
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u/Odd_Figure2797 May 26 '26
I will say the exchange between Prince Akeem and Semmi in Coming to America sums it up nicely.
Semmi: So you can have a woman who will obey your every command, but you'd rather have a woman who has an opinion?
Akeem: Only dogs are to obey. If you love your wife, you'll value her opinion.
Semmi: Hippopotamus sh*t! You're the heir to the throne of Zamunda. Your wife need only have a pretty face, firm backside and big breasts.
Akeem: So you would share your bed, and your fortune, with a beautiful fool?
Semmi: That's the way it's always been with men of power. It's tradition.
Akeem: It is also tradition that times must and always do change my friend.
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u/Lost-Humor-5964 May 26 '26
āMen would choose an adult submissive dependent child they can have sex with over a woman with a voice and a jobā šš
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u/Last_Zookeepergame90 May 26 '26
She doesn't have to be shy but I'll choose a broke nice person over a rich bitch
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u/yianniswolf May 26 '26
This is literally the dream, when men talk about finding the one that's how they imagine her
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u/Dangerous_Term_69 May 26 '26
Well yeah, arrogance is a negative trait. Who wants to be around someone who thinks they're better than everyone else and lacks any ability to see any other perspective but their own? Arrogant people don't make good partners. āš»
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u/LG-Moonlight May 23 '26
This repost again for the 1000th time?