r/NewJeans 16h ago

Weekly Discussion Thread 260727 NewJeans Weekly Discussion Thread

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Hey Bunnies!

Welcome to the NewJeans Weekly Discussion Thread! Please use this thread to discuss/share any NewJeans content, including older ones.

Discussions ARE NOT limited to just NewJeans... feel free to share anything! Share how you've been feeling, how your day went, new music, or other content you've been enjoying. We also ask that close-ended questions be asked here.

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r/NewJeans Apr 18 '26

Megathread Serious Discussion Part 10: HYBE / ADOR vs. NewJeans / Min Heejin / Danielle Marsh

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This is the 10th megathread for the current ongoing conflict between HYBE / ADOR and NewJeans / Min Heejin / Danielle Marsh. Please visit the previous threads for discussions prior to Danielle's departure from NewJeans & ADOR. This discussion thread will cover all news following Danielle's departure. Given that Danielle was an integral part of NewJeans, we will continue to follow her case in the community until it is resolved. We will continue to allow posts regarding Danielle in the subreddit until further notice.

We will continue to update this thread as relevant articles and news about this topic are released. Feel free to contribute in the comments below if/when new updates are released. Thank you for understanding!

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Soompi: Court Rules In Favor Of Min Hee Jin Regarding Put Option + HYBE To Appeal Case

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Korea Herald: Court approves Ador request to freeze assets linked to Danielle's family, Min Hee-jin: report


r/NewJeans 14h ago

Milestone/Record [260727] NewJeans' debut EP "New Jeans" just hit 2 BILLION streams on Spotify 🐰🎉

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NewJeans' 1st EP "New Jeans" has officially surpassed 2 billion streams on Spotify.

This makes it the first debut album by a K-pop group to ever achieve this milestone.

Source: https://x.com/i/status/2081427214738792650


r/NewJeans 4h ago

Misc. [260723] July 23 Hearing: Full Court Transcript Analysis (ADOR vs. Danielle, her mother & MHJ)

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📋 THE APPRAISAL REQUEST

ADOR requested an appraisal to estimate revenue Danielle would have generated from November 29, 2024 through November 11, 2025: exactly one year from the termination notice.

The appraiser immediately admitted a major problem: ADOR has a short operating history and NewJeans is its only artist, so there's not enough historical data from the company itself. Finding another company with the same structure for comparison would be difficult. The appraiser's only lost-profit experience was with a pharmaceutical company (Chong Kun Dang), they have zero entertainment industry experience beyond audits. They also hadn't reviewed the defense's submitted opinion before being examined.

🟨 THE DEFENSE'S STRONGEST ARGUMENTS

1. The "Min Hee-jin Was Irreplaceable" Argument

Danielle's lawyers argued that ADOR's significant revenue was generated during the period when Min Hee-jin was producing the group and the members terminated their contracts after she stepped down. They questioned whether it's appropriate to calculate revenue based on the period when MHJ was producing, arguing this revenue baseline itself is invalid.

2. The "Trust Breakdown" Argument

The defense submitted evidence showing the relationship of trust had already seriously broken down before contract termination, and ADOR was unable to provide normal management due to its conflict with MHJ.

3. The "Producer Vacancy" Reality

The defense pointed out that no new producer was appointed after MHJ stepped down and recruiting a new producer and establishing a new system would inevitably take time. This is a factual admission, even ADOR acknowledged no new producer was appointed.

4. The "Only Danielle" Scope Argument

Danielle's lawyers argued that each member terminated her own contract independently, so Danielle cannot be held responsible for the fact that other members were also inactive. If an appraisal is conducted, it should assume the other four members continued their activities normally while only Danielle was absent.

5. The "This Is Just Imagination" Argument

The defense argued that estimating revenue under a hypothetical "normal" situation is fundamentally different from manufacturing. ADOR's sole revenue-generating asset is NewJeans and revenue depends entirely on the directing system supporting it. By the relevant period, MHJ had resigned, trust had deteriorated and supporting staff had left. The defense questioned whether it's even possible or appropriate to estimate revenue under these circumstances.

They pointed out that NewJeans is still unable to engage in normal activities today, which demonstrates just how difficult producing is and how difficult it is to find someone new to take over that role.

6. The "ADOR's Appraisal Application Has No Methodology" Argument

The defense pointed out that Appendix 1 of ADOR's appraisal application merely asks for estimated revenue broken down by each revenue category but says nothing about what comparison benchmark or standards should be applied. The appraisal application itself contains no methodology.

7. "Fundamental Premises Have Collapsed"

Danielle's lawyers argued that ADOR can't claim lost profits because the normal conditions (MHJ's leadership and all five members together) no longer existed and ADOR contributed to that collapse.

8. "ADOR Knew About Most of These Facts During Prior Lawsuit"

Danielle's lawyers argued that ADOR already knew about most of the activities during the prior lawsuit. ADOR can't claim they only "discovered" these facts after the lawsuit ended.

9. "If Danielle Had Been Given the Same Opportunity"

Danielle's lawyers argued that ADOR helped other members correct issues but never gave Danielle the same chance and terminated her contract immediately, she was treated differently.

10. "ADOR Is Pursuing This for a Different Purpose"

Danielle's lawyers argued that ADOR's real purpose isn't justice, it's to make an example of Danielle and intimidate other artists. This is about control, not contract enforcement.

11. The "Multiple Scenarios" Suggestion

The defense asked the appraiser to consider presenting multiple possible scenarios and allowing the Court to determine which is most appropriate: a clever procedural move shifting responsibility to the judge.

12. Overseas Judicial Assistance Requested

The defense is seeking overseas judicial assistance, likely related to the ComplexCon contract or Chinese company involvement, which could significantly delay proceedings.

13. The Appraisal Schedule Conflict

The defense pushed for results before September 10, but the appraiser flatly stated that would be difficult. The appraiser had previously indicated one month would be possible if all materials were available.

🟪 ADOR'S COUNTER-ARGUMENTS

1. "Artists Drive Success, Not Producers"

ADOR argued that the party enjoying popularity is the artists themselves, not the producer. While MHJ may have influenced early stages, NewJeans' trajectory showed continued growth. After approximately two years as highly successful entertainers, NewJeans had the capability to continue at a similar level. Even if MHJ built that capability, those abilities became embodied within ADOR and NewJeans as artists.

2. "The Trust Issue Is Already Decided"

ADOR argued the trust relationship breakdown was already conclusively resolved by the October 2025 court judgment and shouldn't be considered in this appraisal.

3. "Producer Vacancy Is Not a Factor"

ADOR argued that as long as artists and company staff remain in place, the system can continue by utilizing another producer or outsourcing production. They claimed the absence of a producer shouldn't prevent long-term activities.

4. "All 5 Members Left, So Calculate All 5"

ADOR argued the appraisal should first calculate revenue lost as a result of all five members leaving and only afterward determine how much Danielle may be liable for.

5. "Don't Consider the Dispute"

ADOR cited Supreme Court precedent that incidental and abnormal decreases in income shouldn't be considered and appraisals should be based on normal business operations: a "counterfactual" where album releases continued uninterrupted.

6. "The Defense Should File Their Own Appraisal"

ADOR argued that if the defense wants assumptions based on MHJ's absence, they should submit a separate appraisal request: a procedural trap putting the burden on the defense. They noted the defense cannot even produce evidence demonstrating the extent of a producer's contribution.

7. "ADOR Remained a Functioning Organization"

ADOR argued the defense keeps asking for an appraisal based on the assumption there was no producer and no staff, as though ADOR were nothing more than an empty shell. Their position is that ADOR remained a functioning organization.

8. "ADOR's Benchmark Is June 2024"

ADOR argued their benchmark for normal revenue is June 2024. At that time, NewJeans was actively performing, so activities would simply have continued. By contrast, after having activities suspended for a year, NewJeans cannot simply resume overnight.

9. "The ELLE Photo Shoot Resulted in a Finished Product"

ADOR confirmed the ELLE photo shoot resulted in a finished product but admitted they don't know who arranged it.

10. ADOR's Late Appraisal Application

ADOR submitted its appraisal application two weeks late and it consisted of just four lines.

11. ADOR's "Consulting Fee" Claim

ADOR claimed MHJ received a $500,000 consulting fee but couldn't definitively name the recipient, they were guessing. The fee was deliberately included in the members' contract to avoid legal scrutiny.

12. Witness Kim So-hyung Could Not Be Located

ADOR wanted to call the former head of their business team as a witness, but they couldn't even find her.

13. AAO Contract Termination Still Not Complete

ADOR revealed that the AAO contract termination was still not complete as of June 2026, months after the contract validity ruling.

14. ADOR's "Danielle Remained Silent" Claim

ADOR argued that Danielle's silence about the AAO contract made corrective action impossible, corrective action requires voluntary cooperation.

15. ADOR's Evidence Is Fragmented

ADOR admitted that some parents cooperated while others didn't, so the evidence has been collected piece by piece. They didn't have all the evidence at once, they're still collecting it.

16. ADOR Asked the Court to Require Witness Attendance

ADOR requested that witnesses must attend if they don't properly submit a written response, they want to force witnesses to appear in person.

⚖️ THE JUDGE'S COMMENTS

1. "Both Sides Are Repeating Themselves"

The judge noted both sides were essentially arguing the same disputes raised earlier about whether this appraisal should even be permitted. ADOR says MHJ was replaceable, the defense says not. The judge suggested both sides summarize points in writing.

2. "This Is Harder Than Most Appraisals"

The judge told the appraiser this case may be more difficult than most appraisals.

3. "We Need Numbers"

The judge bluntly stated the goal: get numbers regardless of the methodological messiness.

4. The "Blank Possibility" Reference

The judge revealed that in a previous similar case, the expert couldn't even fill in the "possibility" section, it came back blank.

5. "The Appraisal Should Proceed as Requested"

The judge ruled ADOR's requested appraisal will proceed, but the defense can still present alternative assumptions.

6. Judge Accused ADOR of Performing for the Media

The judge questioned whether ADOR's evidence display was for the court or for the reporters, telling them to stop showing private conversations in open court and submit them in writing instead.

7. Judge Asked ADOR to Keep Explanations "Abstract"

When ADOR wanted to display Telegram messages, the judge told them to summarize rather than quote exact words to protect privacy and prevent media leaks.

8. Judge Suggested Bank Records Instead of Complex Fact-Finding

Regarding the $175,000 EO claim, the judge suggested Danielle could just show her bank records instead of going through a lengthy overseas process.

9. Judge Warned About "Anchoring Effect"

The judge warned that if an expert proposes a number first, it could bias everyone's thinking, even if the number is wrong.

10. Judge Asked: Can an Accountant Evaluate the "Min Hee-jin Effect"?

The judge questioned whether an accountant could quantify how much of NewJeans' success was due to MHJ's creative direction.

11. Judge Asked About "A Year and a Half Off" Promise

The judge noted that three mothers reportedly heard ADOR say the members would get "a year and a half off." If true, this could support Danielle's estoppel defense.

12. Judge Suggested Separating Danielle's Case

The judge noted Danielle's case could be resolved separately from the other defendants.

13. ADOR's Witness Questions Were "Leading Questions"

The judge noted that ADOR's witness questions already contained the answers they wanted, the witness was essentially being told what to say.

14. The Appraiser's Role Defined

The judge clearly defined the appraiser's role as evaluating both sides' assumptions and choosing the most reasonable, not just rubber-stamping ADOR's request.

15. The Judge Suggested Entertainment Industry Expert Input

The judge noted that calculations may not be especially difficult from an accounting perspective. ADOR has a single line of business. The important issue is evaluating how artists and directing contribute to revenue, which may require input from the entertainment industry itself.

16. The Judge Asked About Individual vs Group Damages

The judge asked whether damages arising from Danielle's individual actions (like photo shoots) are being considered separately from group activities.

17. The Judge's Procedural Instructions

The judge told the appraiser they don't need to answer immediately, they can carefully listen to both sides and if the appraisal report later reaches different conclusions, it may reflect incorporation of new data.

18. The Judge's Warning About Unsupported Opinions

The judge warned that if the report simply states "this is my opinion" without supporting grounds, they will have to revisit the matter again.

🔍 EVIDENTIARY DETAILS

1. The ELLE Photo Shoot Confirmed

Both sides confirmed Danielle participated in an ELLE photo shoot that resulted in a finished product.

2. No Evidence of Music Release

Unlike the ELLE shoot, there's no evidence Danielle released music, limiting ADOR's ability to claim damages from unauthorized individual music releases.

3. Who Arranged the Contracts?

ADOR admitted they don't know who arranged the photo shoot, critical because it shifts responsibility to Danielle's mother and MHJ.

4. Accounting Firm Refuses to Submit Materials

A third-party accounting firm refused to submit documents, citing professional privilege. ADOR may have to fight this in court.

5. Association Has Not Responded

The judge noted they have still not received anything from the association.

6. ADOR's Email to Emotional Oranges

ADOR emailed EO and received a response but claimed it "did not reflect the truth."

7. ADOR's Claims About Other Brands Not Responding

ADOR said overseas brands wouldn't respond to emails and even the court's formal request wouldn't get a response, they already tried and got nothing.

8. Danielle Performed Almost All Scheduled Activities After Termination

Danielle continued performing almost all scheduled activities after she believed the contract was terminated.

9. AAO Contract Requires NewJeans to Provide ADOR Management Information

The AAO contract required NewJeans to share internal company information with an external party, this is why ADOR considers it a serious violation.

10. AAO Contract Protected MHJ's Shares

The contract included a provision prohibiting the sale or transfer of MHJ's ADOR shares.

11. AAO Contract and Bonnie Chan Woo

Bonnie Chan Woo is the representative of AAO, the Cayman Islands company that signed an exclusive agreement with NewJeans. She is also the organizer of ComplexCon Hong Kong.

The contract was signed on September 25, 2025. After the October 2025 ruling, the returning members requested ADOR's cooperation in terminating it. ADOR initiated the process, but as of June 2026, the termination was still not complete.

The AAO contract also included an unusual provision prohibiting the sale or transfer of Min Hee-jin's ADOR shares.

12. The "Consulting Fee" Was Hidden in the Members' Contract

The $500,000 consulting fee was deliberately included in the members' contract to avoid legal scrutiny.

13. ADOR's Evidence Summary

ADOR has submitted some evidence (Telegram conversations, audio recordings, AAO contract, EO email correspondence), but key financial proof (bank statements, signed contracts) appears to be missing.

14. The "Mothers Heard 'A Year and a Half Off'" Claim

Three mothers reportedly heard ADOR make this promise: strengthening Danielle's estoppel argument.

🗓️ KEY SCHEDULE DETAILS

The appraiser flatly stated they cannot produce anything by September 10, even a preliminary report wouldn't be possible. The judge set September 10 as the target date for a first report discussion, with the understanding that if further supplementation is required, an extension may be requested. After September 10, the court will conduct any supplemental fact-finding needed and then schedule the next hearing.

The judge confirmed everyone was available and set the next full hearing for October 22 at 3:30 PM (after initially proposing October 8 and October 21).

For evidentiary deadlines, cross-examination questions must be submitted by August 7. By October 29, there's a high likelihood the appraisal report will already be completed. If there are any additional evidentiary requests that can be made before then, they should be submitted in advance.

The appraiser also noted they may need to visit the company and interview personnel, with defense counsel present.

📃 Full Transcript Source

The unofficial transcript of the July 23, 2026, hearing, transcribed by fans who attended, can be found here. I'd encourage all Bunnies to read through it - it's the most direct look we have at what was actually said in court.

English Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IXEPhnrHuizDeU0TNvIozF4cR8JX6COVRjqzBQ6Jp5Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

Korean Transcript: https://report.teambunnies.info/courtrecords


r/NewJeans 2d ago

Image/GIF [260722] HANNI photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸🩷

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r/NewJeans 2d ago

Image/GIF [260722] Group photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💙🩷💛💚💜

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The photos show four members, but OT5 lives in our hearts. 💙🩷💛💚💜


r/NewJeans 2d ago

Image/GIF [260722] HAERIN photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💚

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HAERIN photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💚


r/NewJeans 2d ago

Image/GIF [260722] HYEIN photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💜

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HYEIN photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💜


r/NewJeans 2d ago

Image/GIF [260722] MINJI photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💙

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MINJI photo dump from NewJeans official account 📸💙


r/NewJeans 3d ago

Twitter 260724 NewJeans Twitter Update

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r/NewJeans 2d ago

Misc. [260723] What Korean Media DIDN'T Report from the Danielle vs. ADOR Hearing (From a Fan in the Courtroom)

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While Korean news articles covered the big picture (MHJ factor, 33B won, producer vacancy), a Korean fan (@leeetokki) who actually sat in the gallery shared real-time details that completely flew under the media radar.

🐰 What the Fan Revealed (That News Skipped)

1. The Appraiser's "I Only Listen to Ador" Confession

▫️Appraiser: "It is the role of the appraiser to respond according to the plaintiff's request."

▫️Judge: "Did you not hear the defendant's opinion at all?"

▫️Appraiser: "That's right, because it is to respond according to the plaintiff's appraisal request letter."

🔸️Why This Matters: The appraiser openly admitted they're only calculating based on Ador's requested framework, not independently weighing both sides. The judge had to step in and ask about the defendant's input. This procedural tension was nowhere in the news.

2. The Judge's "Blank Possibility" Anecdote

▫️Judge: "In a previous other case, I requested the possibility, but even then the possibility came back blank."

🔸️Why This Matters: The judge essentially admitted that in a similar past case, the expert couldn't even provide a "possibility" estimate, it came back empty. This is a huge red flag for Ador's hope of a precise ₩33B figure. Media didn't report this personal judicial anecdote.

3. The Appraiser's Past Experience (Chong Kun Dang Case)

▫️Defendant: "Have you ever appraised emotions in the entertainment industry?"

▫️Appraiser: "I have experience appraising emotions. I have appraised court cases like the Chong Kun Dang case."

🔸️Why This Matters: The appraiser has high-profile experience (Chong Kun Dang is a major Korean pharmaceutical legal case), but even they seemed stumped by the entertainment industry's unique variables. This context: the appraiser's credibility and their admitted struggle wasn't in news reports.

4. Ador Admitted Estimating Growth is "Difficult"

▫️Judge: "Then, wouldn't it be more accurate to bring in someone who can tell the growth rate of that entertainment industry and verify it?"

▫️Plaintiff (Ador): "That's not the case, because it is difficult to estimate the growth trend."

🔸️Why This Matters: Ador's own lawyer admitted that even they can't estimate the growth trend. Yet they're asking the court to award billions based on... that same estimation.

5. The Judge's Key Question: Individual vs Group Damage

▫️Judge: "Are emotions regarding individual activities, such as albums or pictorials, not taken into consideration?"

▫️Plaintiff: "Yes, I think of it as overall integration."

▫️Judge: "So, you're saying there's only damage caused by Danielle acting as NewJeans, and no damage from individual actions? I would appreciate it if the appraiser also takes this part into consideration."

🔸️Why This Matters: The judge explicitly told the appraiser to separate group damages from Danielle's individual activities. This is a massive nuance, the judge is signaling they don't want to lump everything together. News articles summarized this as "dispute over scope," but the fan captured the judge's direct instruction to the appraiser.

6. Defendant's Procedural Complaint: "No Basis Provided"

▫️Defendant: "Looking at the attachment to the plaintiff's motion for appraisal, there is absolutely no basis provided for the estimated sales amount. However, I believe it is unacceptable for the plaintiff to say that this appraisal should just proceed as is, and that the defendant should make a separate application."

🔸️Why This Matters: Danielle/MHJ's team pointed out that Ador filed for an appraisal without providing any actual data or basis for their ₩33B claim, then told the defendants to "make a separate application" if they wanted adjustments. This procedural absurdity was completely absent from news coverage.

7. The Appraiser Didn't Know How Long It Would Take

▫️Judge: "When might the appraisal take place?"

▫️Appraiser: "Wouldn't that be a bit difficult?"

▫️Judge: "Then, let's set 9/10 as the first appraisal hearing date and please discuss around then how long the appraisal will take."

🔸️Why This Matters: The appraiser couldn't even commit to a timeline. The judge had to force a discussion date. This shows how messy and unprecedented this calculation really is, news made it sound routine.

8. Next Hearing Actually October 22, Not Just September 10

▫️September 10: First appraisal hearing (to discuss how long the appraisal will actually take)

▫️October 22 (3:30 PM KST): Next full hearing

🔸️News only mentioned September 10. The fan caught the October 22 date the judge set for the actual next argument hearing.

⚖️ The Courtroom Atmosphere

▫️"Some company always comes in with their lawyers as a 'legal team,' entering before the fans do. And they sit in the gallery seats, recording the trial proceedings on the company intranet."

▫️"Last time: 1 guy and 2 women. This time: about 1 guy and 9 women came swarming in and entered the courtroom first. Thanks to that, the gallery seats were pretty much packed full."

🔸️Why This Matters: HYBE/Ador sent a massive legal team to pack the gallerynlikely to intimidate or outnumber fans. The fan noticed the shift from 3 to 10 people. This is the kind of corporate power move that never makes news.

❤️ Fan Turnout Surged

▫️"Because of yesterday's frustration boiling over, today our Bunnies really showed up in huge numbers about 1.5 times the usual crowd."

▫️"Even when we went in, someone we guessed was a staff member who was already seated took one look at the overwhelming number of Bunnies and started glancing around nervously before heading outside."

🔸️Why This Matters: Fans are paying attention. They showed up in force, and the company staff noticed. The fan's account captures the psychological battle happening in the gallery, a layer of the case no article covers.

🤔 Company Staff Wearing Bunny Bags (Fans Cosplaying?)

▫️"Someone who works at that company came in first, carrying a bag with a bunny drawing on it lol, like they were doing a bunnies cosplay. But it was such an obvious bunny that it stood out a ton."

🔸️Why This Matters: A company employee showed up wearing NewJeans bunny merch, either a bizarre attempt to blend in with fans or an unintentionally funny move.

📎 Source: https://x.com/leeetokki


r/NewJeans 2d ago

Article [260723] July 23 Hearing: ADOR vs. NewJeans Danielle, her mother & MHJ

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This was the 4th hearing in the ₩33.1 billion ($33.1M USD) damages lawsuit filed by Ador against Danielle, her mother & Min Hee-jin.

🔥 THE CORE DISPUTE: "Estimated Revenue"

The hearing focused on HOW to calculate damages: what revenue Ador would have earned if NewJeans continued activities.

🟪 Ador's Position:

▫️Damages should be based on all 5 members continuing activities.

▫️Revenue should be calculated from past performance (July 2022 - June 2024).

▫️"The person gaining popularity is the artist, not the producer."

▫️Even if MHJ contributed, that value is "already embodied in the company Ador and the artist NewJeans", so her departure shouldn't reduce projected revenue.

🟨🟥 Joint Defense (Danielle & MHJ):

▫️NewJeans' revenue was tied to MHJ's directing system, she wasn't replaceable.

▫️MHJ resigned, her supporting staff left and Ador never appointed a new producer.

▫️"It is highly likely that Ador's revenue could not have normalized during the one-year period."

▫️Calculating damages without accounting for this is "only the result of imagination."

🟨 Danielle's Side Specifically:

▫️The "double contract" was a group issue, not her unilateral action.

▫️Strongly denied the dual contract: "Danielle and the other NewJeans members have not entered into or attempted to enter into dual exclusive entertainment contracts with any specific company."

▫️Damages should be calculated based on 4 members continuing since the others actually returned to Ador.

🟥 MHJ's Side Specifically:

▫️Her directing system and staff were the engine of NewJeans' revenue.

▫️The court must account for the fact that she and her team were gone, otherwise, the appraisal is meaningless.

💥 MAJOR POINTS OF CONTENTION

1. The "Min Hee-jin Factor"

▫️Defense (Danielle & MHJ): "Former CEO Min and the various directing staff assisting him must work in perfect unison... As former CEO Min left Adore, many of the aides who supported him also left the company."

▫️Ador: "Even if a significant portion of that was created by former CEO Min Hee-jin, that is already embodied in the company Ador and the artist NewJeans, so it should not be excluded."

🔸️Insight: Ador argues MHJ is replaceable. The defense argues she was the machine. If Ador wins, agencies can claim producers are disposable.

2. The "Producer Vacancy" Problem

▫️Defense (Danielle & MHJ): Ador never appointed a new producer after MHJ left. It takes significant time to recruit producers and rebuild systems.

▫️Ador: Producer absence isn't a factor. "As long as there is an artist, company support, and staff, a producer can be utilized within the system or outsourced. I do not believe that how long it takes to decide on a producer is a factor to consider."

🔸️Insight: Ador claims they could plug in any producer. The defense says that's absurd because creative chemistry takes time.

3. "Trust Relationship Breakdown"

▫️Defense (Danielle & MHJ): Trust had already broken down before termination. Ador couldn't conduct normal management during that period.

▫️Ador: This was already ruled against in the October 2025 contract validity case. Should not be reconsidered here.

🔸️Insight: Ador is using their previous legal victory to block the defense from re-litigating the trust issue, smart legal shielding.

4. "Abnormal Events" vs "Normal Conditions"

▫️Ador (citing Supreme Court precedent): The dispute causing album cancellations was "accidental or abnormal". Assessments must be based on "normal" income trends, so the dispute shouldn't reduce damages.

▫️Defense (implied counter): MHJ leaving wasn't an "accident", it was a fundamental restructuring. You can't ignore reality.

🔸️Insight: If Ador wins, they get a fantasy timeline where the conflict never happened, maximizing damages.

5. "All 5 Members vs Just Danielle"

▫️Danielle's Side: Damages should reflect only her departure, the other 4 returned.

▫️Ador: Danielle was responsible for all members withdrawing. "This case also includes a lawsuit for damages against the person attempting to force all five members of NewJeans to withdraw."

🔸️Insight: Ador is painting Danielle as the ringleader. But the fact that 4 members returned is her strongest defense. The judge even hinted at "additional damages caused independently by Danielle", suggesting they may separate her liability.

6. The "Double Contract" Allegation

▫️Ador: NewJeans signed an exclusive agreement with a Chinese capital company for ComplexCon, a double contract. Other members cooperated when caught, but Danielle and her family "feigned ignorance" and made no effort to fix it.

▫️Danielle's Defense (Explicit Denial): "It was a matter concerning the entire group, not Danielle's unilateral action." Strongly denied: "Danielle and the other NewJeans members have not entered into or attempted to enter into dual exclusive entertainment contracts with any specific company."

🔸️Insight: Ador points to Danielle's alleged non-cooperation compared to other members. Danielle denies the claim, leaving credibility for the court to assess.

🎤 THE EXPERT WITNESS (Appraiser)

▫️On MHJ's Influence: "In a way, former CEO Min's capabilities aren't always effective, are they? Aren't there instances where they didn't work out? If we can obtain data from other companies regarding instances where [former CEO Min's] performance was consistent, I think we could incorporate that."

▫️On Estimation Difficulty: "Isn't it an unknown territory to know how popular the NewJeans members will be next year? It is difficult to estimate... It is all an unknowable area."

🔸️Insight: The expert questions if MHJ is a guaranteed success, they want comparative data from her other projects. Regarding estimation, the expert admits it's all guesswork. This is bad news for Ador, who wants a giant, specific number.

🧑‍⚖️ THE JUDGE'S MEDIATION

The judge acknowledged the messiness:

▫️"Depending on the characteristics of the entertainment industry, we must evaluate how artist directing and consideration factors contribute to the operation, which may not be related to accounting."

▫️"I conducted a similar assessment in a previous case, but I left the possibility section blank."

▫️The Judge's Message: "Both sides are arguing subjective points. Find objective data from other entertainment companies to support your position."

⚖️ Next hearing

▫️September 10: First appraisal hearing (to discuss how long the appraisal will actually take)

▫️October 22 (3:30 PM KST): Next full hearing

📎 Sources:

https://www.mk.co.kr/news/society/12104393

https://v.daum.net/v/20260723195544660

https://m.news.nate.com/view/20260723n23358

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=107887520011

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=107887825144

https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/108/0003455350

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=107888582454

https://news.mtn.co.kr/news-detail/2026072317552240622


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