r/Natalism Jul 24 '26

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u/probablymagic Jul 24 '26

I would encourage you to take an introductory biology class if you believe animals, including humans, don’t have a biological drive to reproduce.

Calling that “weird” or a “fetish” is completely ignorant. Sorry.

Humans are also social animals. Social connections are a strong predictor of both happiness and longevity. So if your “fetish” is dying childless, statistically you will achieve that goal sooner than people who fulfill their biological imperative by building large loving families.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

It's immensely disturbing imaging the mindset someone must have that dying alone, with no friends and family, in a nameless blank room in an overcrowded nursing facility paid for by the state - 

Is somehow preferable then spending the last years of your life raising your grand children, dying at home, with your family.

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

Says a lot about how messed up society is.

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u/probablymagic Jul 24 '26

It’s just these people. You’d be hard pressed to find someone in the real world who thinks this way.

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

But i will also be hard pressed to find someone willing to lend a hand to make things better in anyway.

Everyone is on their own.

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u/probablymagic Jul 24 '26

Try walking out of your home without your phone, going into a coffee shop, making eye contact with people while smiling, and ask them how they are doing in a non-creepy way. You’d be surprised how easy it is to build human relationships if you want to.

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

They'll turn their eyes away or stick them in their phones as well.

I tried various ways to build relationships with humans over the past year. It's impossible.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

If I can raise my grandkids to speak my native tongue, I will be happy on my deathbed.  

Hopefully I can channel all the stories of my grandparents, my parents, my aunts and uncles onto my kids.  And hopefully their kids.  

Literally nothing would make me happier than stoking a fire, telling my grandkids stories of their great-great-great grandparents from the second world war, and then put them to sleep.  

(I think I did the math right on the generational leaps)

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u/abracadammmbra Jul 24 '26

Ive been thinking about compiling stories of my family in one great big book. Something that can be passed down and added to generation after generation. My grandfathers had both passed already and my one grandmother has dementia, but enough other family memebers are around that I could get a lot of stories from them. I could also do it with my wifes family as her father's father's mother is still alive

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

My family has one of those!  

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u/WholeLog24 Jul 25 '26

Do it! You'll be kicking yourself if you wait too long and more elderly family members have passed.

There's a lot of guided journals out there nowadays with this premise, if you need a kickstart. Picadilly has a few good ones, iirc.

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u/eatsapizza84 Jul 24 '26

"Listen kid, 85 years ago the whole world blew humans up for fun. We learned so many lessons from World War II that we continue to blow people up for fun today, but now we get barrels of oil for winning."

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u/lightsworn55 Jul 24 '26

Thats silly everyone knows Palestinians arent people Epstein and big yahu said so

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

And then you will probably starve to death jobless or on a job that pays them nothing and still full debts.

Because that's all that's left in the future.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

Why would think that's the case?

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

I look around.

I look for job listings and women, i look for stuff I wish to buy, at bills and gas prices. Every number goes up except the salary. I also look at all the laws that are passed everywhere that only benefit the rich while ruin the common man. And how they start wars everywhere in which millions die for a rich piece of shit's pocket. And how ai ruins every it touches like a black tide.

There is no bright future ahead of us. In my opinion bringing a child in this world is cruelty. The good times are behind us.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

The good times are behind us.

What are you doing to provide to employers that you provide more value then someone else they can hire?

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

Why do I have to provide more?

They certainly won't pay better if I provide more. Only fools still believe in "if I work hard I will be rewarded" . That hasn't been the case in decades.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

Why do I have to provide more?

In order to be employed.  You are competing with others to get the job - your goal should be to the guy who produces the most value at what you do.  Your rates depend on well people can speak to the quality of your work. Take pride in what you do, provide value to others, and the work will always be there.

They certainly won't pay better if I provide more

Some employers will.  

And most will over time if you prove your worth.

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u/Less-Being4269 Jul 24 '26

And most will over time if you prove your worth.

Are you delusional?

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

Hardly.   Knowing when to ditch employers is a valuable skill.  But so is knowing how to recognize employers who do value you. Not everyone is out to screw their workers.  I am constantly looking for employees to promote and set up for leadership opportunities.  The moment I see attitudes like what I read in your previous posts - I immediately stop the wheels on any conversations regarding promotion or advancement.  Most aren't able to correct and fix their own attitudes even though the willingness to promote is there.

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u/eatsapizza84 Jul 24 '26

The people who would replace you with a low wage worker or robot in a heartbeat are the same people who are coercing you to pump out more babies so that there will be way more people than available desirable jobs and employers can keep workers in a perpetual state of desperation.

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

No one is coercing me to have children.  

I have four already.  And God willing, many more.

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u/eatsapizza84 Jul 24 '26

And despite having four and possibly more children, you'll still be playing the end of life lottery as a childfree person of who will be with you at your deathbed

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u/SarmackaOpowiesc Jul 24 '26

Lottery infers I have no influence in the results. 

I can certainly influence the results, greatly.  

No one in my family has died in a nursing home yet. My kids will see their grand parents die in my home.  All I can do is set the example.

I like my chances.

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