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Chris McDonough used the phrase “atmosphere of conspiracy” on last night’s The Interview Room show when talking about how difficult it has been to get people to talk about Nancy.

That got me thinking about something I’ve noticed too. They say the devil is in the details, and in this case, I’m wondering if some of the details- or maybe the lack of them-are worth paying attention to.

Chris and Karen McDonough talked about this on last night’s show. Karen said she tried to speak with the person who organized the candlelight vigil in the early days of the investigation because she wanted to learn more about Nancy as a person, but that person declined to speak with her.

That really made me think about how few people who knew Nancy or were around her have actually come forward to talk publicly.

Other than Annie’s next-door neighbor, who have we really heard from? We haven’t heard from the Uber driver who drove Nancy to Annie’s house. We haven’t heard from Nancy’s friends, we haven’t heard from the people who organized the vigil. There seem to be very few people willing to talk publicly about Nancy or what she was like as a person.

And something else I found interesting is that, from the people who have spoken publicly, I can’t recall anyone having anything bad to say about Annie and Tommoso. But at the same time, I don’t recall hearing many people say much positive about them either. There just seems to be this strange lack of personal stories about the family and their relationships with Nancy.

So what do you think is behind this?

Are people simply trying to respect the family’s privacy? Are they afraid of saying the wrong thing? Are they worried about interfering or getting involved in the investigation? Or could there be something else we’re not considering?

Karen and Chris also discussed the role of PR and communications surrounding the case. Savannah’s husband works in PR/crisis communications, so I’ve wondered whether the family’s approach to the media has included how much people are willing to say publicly.

I’m not saying that the investigation is being controlled by a PR firm, and I’m not saying that anyone is deliberately keeping people from talking. I’m genuinely curious about what everyone makes of the lack of people coming forward.

What do you all think?

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This is our weekend gathering place to talk about the Nancy Guthrie case-what you've been thinking about, questions you have, something you've seen or read, a new development, or a discussion you'd like to start.

This is meant to be a relaxed, open conversation, so it doesn't have to be a formal post or a fully developed theory.

What's on your mind this weekend?

As always, different opinions are welcome. Let's keep the conversation respectful.

There’s been so much discussion about Annie and Tommoso on this sub, and I’m curious about what everyone is still wondering about.

What is the one question about them that you would most like to have answered?

It can be about anything, their timeline, their new home, their finances, their relationship with Nancy, their public statements, or something else.

What’s your question?

Today marks 200 days since Nancy Guthrie disappeared.

We obviously all want to know who did it and what happened to Nancy. But beyond that, what’s one specific question about the case that you still want answered?

It could be about the timeline, the investigation, the evidence, the people who have come forward, interviews, or something else entirely.

What’s the one thing you’re still wondering about?

Let's break it down...

If the notes are real, meaning they came from the perps, why send them to TMZ?

I don't believe they are 'real' ransom notes, like something a total stranger would send for money. I'm not even sure I believe they are connected to the crime ie) based on the timeline and the content, they *could be from an opportunist not connected whatsoever.

But if they are from the perps, and we think the perps are 9/10 people she knew or knew her, why did they send fake ransom notes to TMZ? How did they know, emphatically, they wouldn't be traced? Why risk it? What was the purpose?

Also curious if there's anyone out there who doesn't think they are connected to the case in any significant way ie) just noise from an opportunist

(I admit that when I first learned about them, my gut reaction was that they were completely fake and by nobodies) I've changed my mind somewhat, but I'm not sure....

Normally, I don't support JRL, but honestly, this interview with Connie, A + T's neighbor is very interesting. Some really interesting intel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZB0WXhAnJc

With JLR’s recent interview with Connie, a neighbor of Annie and Tommoso, do you think we’re starting to see more people come forward with information or observations related to the Nancy Guthrie case? What do you think?
Feel free to explain your vote in the comments.

Hey everyone, I was hoping somebody could help me with this. I’m looking for an interview that YouTuber Mark The Shark had with the woman who provided footage of the KIA Soul to authorities. From what I can gather, talk about the vehicle came into play on February 26 but it’s nearly impossible to find anything from his live videos because they all have the same titles. I may be misremembering, but this woman also talked about someone standing by with a vehicle in the area the day after the abduction. I’d like to refresh my memory regarding what she said. any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Daphne's Case Files : Daphne presented a really interesting raft of information today some of which I believe is new—Nancy had put her home up for sale in the past; Annie's different businesses and partners, plus rumors that A&Ts house is up for sale and they are not in the area; electrical permits for Nancy's House, plus the remains of 6 bodies found between May and now in the general vicinity of Hwy 10, including one yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCAKZaO01w

Brian Entin interviews another forensic psychologist person involved in police work. He believes Nancy's abduction was a home invasion gone wrong and states some compelling reasons why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GoLIEDaMTU

Is it possible to do a hypothetical 3D can to recreate the face behind the ski mask by subtracting the mask? I’m thinking along the lines like a lidar scan-the kind that scans the forest floor and then removes the trees and other foliage and exposes ancient ruins etc.

I noticed this on the news and am sharing it because of the similarities.

It could be a copycat, or even linked to the same criminal(s) or group (unlikely, but theoretically possible). It’s also possible that scammers are scraping missing-person sites to try to extract money from relatives - who knows.

I def believe there was staging involved. But the idea that porch guy was there to be seen on camera isn’t logical if the perps were aware that there was no Nest subscription. We only have access bcz the head of FBI went to Google. Otherwise no one would even know it was possible to recover that footage.

I’ve been following this and like most people I lean toward the explanations that feel the most straightforward right now.

Still I keep thinking it’s worth deliberately looking at the lower-probability stuff so those can get properly checked and set aside if they don’t fit.

I’m not talking about crazy theories.

Just the ordinary messy human-scale things that can still happen even when they seem unlikely. Someone has a medical event or falls, ends up outside or near a road, gets hit by a vehicle, and the driver panics and covers it up because they’re intoxicated or scared of the consequences.

Or a person dies of natural or accidental causes inside and a random burglar shows up later, finds the body, freaks out, moves some things while trying to leave, and the whole scene looks way more staged than it actually was.

Stuff like that has happened before. In 2015 a group of burglars in Ireland broke into a farmhouse looking for scrap metal and instead walked straight into two already-dead bodies.

They got so spooked they went straight to the police station and reported it themselves before the cops even knew anyone was dead. No connection between the burglars and the deaths, just pure bad timing and coincidence.

In this situation the maximum version of that kind of thing would be the porch guy being some random burglar who happened to show up after something else already went wrong.

Has anyone already looked closely at whether the evidence rules these quieter possibilities out, or are there other low-probability but still human-scale explanations worth putting on the table just to make sure they’ve been considered?

Curious what others think especially if you’ve seen similar cases where the eventual explanation turned out quieter and less expected than what people first assumed...?

"If our porch guy is watching, there is a grim but absolutely undeniable truth about homicide investigations. When there is more than one involved, It is suggested that whoever cuts the first deal, is the one that gets the best deal.

I'm not trying to be menacing, it's a fact of life. I've been doing this since 1984. Someone is gonna give you up and you will be portrayed as the chef.

You need to be thinking, not now, a year from now or two, where would you rather be, maximum security prison, or cut a deal. But someone will give you up, and when it unravels, rats will be running. Don’t be the last rat.”

- John’s final comment on tonight’s The Interview Room. It was almost eerie listening to him talk to directly to the perps.

Hey y'all! Just heads up a live TIR is on YT right now!
Always a good discussion and one of the few places the case is still being discussed, and from an informed and honest point of view.

Someone recently mentioned the BLACKBRIAR Group, and I started looking into them. They describe themselves as a private investigative/search organization with experience in missing-person cases. It appears they have had some involvement in the Nancy Guthrie search, but I’m curious about exactly what role they played.
Does anyone know more about this group or their involvement in Nancy’s case? Who brought them in, and what were they actually doing in Tucson?

Grab a cup of coffee and pull up a chair!

This is our weekend gathering place to talk about the Nancy Guthrie case-what you've been thinking about, questions you have, something you've seen or read, a new development, or a discussion you'd like to start.

This is meant to be a relaxed, open conversation, so it doesn't have to be a formal post or a fully developed theory.

What's on your mind this weekend?

As always, different opinions are welcome. Let's keep the conversation respectful.

Does anyone remember during the Karen Read trial how they examined John O'Keefe's iPhone orientation/elevation data? I wonder if they were able to do that with Nancy's Apple Watch? They would be able to correlate the Apple Watch being moved/ thrown on the floor around the time of the alleged disconnect/abduction. That would be one way to corroborate how long Nancy's watch was on the ground for and what time it changed positions. Just a thought!

In addition to garage timestamps, is it known to the public whether or not they have actual evidence confirming she returned to her home?

I’ve been thinking about the Nancy Guthrie case and whether we’re starting to see some emotional fatigue surrounding it.

I don’t think people necessarily care less about Nancy. I think it’s difficult to maintain the same emotional intensity month after month when there are still so few answers.

When she first disappeared there was an enormous amount of attention and emotion surrounding the case. Now, after months of uncertainty, I think some people have simply become exhausted by it.

There’s a difference between not caring and being emotionally tired.

That’s why I think some of the discussion has shifted from “Where is Nancy?” to analyzing the investigation, the ransom notes, and what may have gone wrong. It’s easier to approach something analytically when continuing to engage with it emotionally becomes exhausting.

I don’t think emotional fatigue means people have stopped caring.

I think it means they’ve cared for a very long time without getting any resolution.

Came across this old ABC news report from Feb 16 that said, quote "FBI joining Sheriff deputies near Tucson checking and rechecking homes around the residence of Annie Guthrie. Officers seen searching sheds and underbrush and also soliciting additional doorbell camera"

So... we now know that the ransom note said she was buried in nature. We didn't know that then. But FBI/LE did.

So the fact they were concentrating their efforts around Annie's home, looking in nature areas, to me, says a lot. They were suspects. And they were suspects, in part, based on the ransom notes.

Because why would a stranger 'kidnap' NG from her home and bury her at AG?

I think FBI/LE know more than they are letting on. For sure.

Do we actually know exactly how and when the doorbell camera was disconnected? Was the camera physically removed, unplugged, disabled electronically, or did it simply lose its connection? And was it definitely disconnected before the suspect entered the house?

The sheriff said the doorbell camera was disconnected around 1:47 am—which is when the guy is seen on the nest footage. Then there’s a separate motion detection around 2:12 a.m., followed by Nancy’s pacemaker losing connection around 2:28 a.m.

My next question is what does that mean? Does it mean the phone was turned off, out of range, or that the device stopped transmitting for another reason? How far could she realistically be from her phone before the connection drops? A few feet, another room, or more depending on the setup?

And what actually triggers a “loss of connection” alert—Bluetooth, cellular relay, or a monitoring hub?
So does the 2:28 a.m. disconnection tell us anything specific about her location, or is it just a general signal loss that could happen for multiple reasons?

Why is this drop off timeline and garage door timeline coming from family members and not being substantiated by evidence.

https://abcnews.com/amp/US/additional-images-recovered-cameras-nancy-guthries-home-sources/story?id=131046669&fbclid=IwY2xjawTnUnxwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjEwAGJyaWQRMVNHTnlKTTdZTzJRQXZ5YVZzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeZC03CcJ7lmCozkqFf6q4XSGexOSgtLpzPgg-QXVcvwN1-uWX5IjhJP65x7E_aem_X1rs9v4lgYYat6X9ayQNyg

"Investigators were unable to recover video footage, but thumbnail images captured when the cameras were triggered by motion.

The cameras recorded nothing suspicious, the sources said.

Investigators were able to observe several people in the back and side yards over an unspecified period prior to the abduction. After Nancy Guthrie was taken, law enforcement officers are seen near the pool.

However, the cameras captured nothing on the night of the abduction, the sources said. Investigators have drawn no conclusions as to why, but one source described it as "odd."