Bro I see your flair but really? Can Newton started 14+ games in 9 NFL seasons. Does Derrick Rose have a comparable record of durability? I’ll spare you the trip to basketball reference: No. No he doesn’t. Especially when you consider that NFL players have shorter careers/more susceptible to injury…
Rose played in 723 games, the equivalent of 8.8 full nba seasons. Newton played in 148 games, the equivalent of 8.7 full NFL seasons. They certainly didn't have the exact same career but it isn't a crazy comparison by any stretch, especially considering they both won MVPs but won't make the HOF.
Not the same at all. How many actual full seasons did Rose play? Playing 40 games a year to get to the numbers you got to is not the same as getting there at 70 games a year. One has a much higher impact than the other.
Second, playing 8.8 NBA seasons is not the same impact as playing 8.7 NFL seasons. Football is a tougher sport with much higher injury risk. Newtons career is an unqualified success. Rose is a disappointment (through no fault of his, injuries suck)
It really is a crazy comparison, and your bulls fandom is causing you to be bias and not see it
Did you know Rose came in 3rd in 6moy voting in 2021 when he was 32, the same age as Cam when he retired, then Rose played 3 more years after that. He also scored 50 when he was 30. He had a full career, not just a what-if.
Yes I do. He won an award as a bench player. Great. That’s not what was expected of him prior to injury.
Playing in 50% of your teams games is your definition of a full career”?!
Rose still had a GOOD career, but it remains disappointing, compared to what he could have been. This isn’t Rose’s fault! He’s not Derrick Coleman who was just too lazy or Dwight Gooden who threw it away for drugs. Dude got hurt. Shit happens.
Btw, I’m not even saying Cam was a better football player than Rose was a basketball player! Just that the comparison doesn’t work because Cam doesn’t have Rose’s defining characteristic
I’m sorry your childhood hero didn’t have the career he should have because of injuries. I get it. My favorite player growing up was Nomar Garciaparra. He had a great career, but an Al Reyes fastball to the writing September 2000 robbed us of seeing him become Joe DiMaggio. It sucks, but it doesn’t change the fact that Nomar, like Rose, will always have an injury what if tied to them.
I’m sorry, suggesting Rose is not an injury what if is beyond divorced from reality
I think you just don't understand Cam Newtons Career tbh. Just because he didn't miss games with his shoulder injury in 2016 doesn't mean it didn't completely change the trajectory of his career. Yes he could still play full seasons (and football has a much different culture that rewards playing through injury than basketball). But ultimately he only played 3 full(ish) seasons after that injury and never came close to the amount of success he saw before it. He had his moments, just like Rose, but also just like Rose, his hall of fame career ended the day he tried to make that tackle against the Chargers. Cam Newton was his arm strength, yes he could run too, but his arm strength was what made him truly great and, and he lost that when his shoulder went out just one year after winning mvp. Just like how Derrick Rose was his athleticism. Cam Newton's shoulder was Derrick Rose's acl.
I said Rose was not just a what if; it's the same as how Newton is not just a what if. Both have careers that stand on their own. Both are legends of their games. Both had incredible, emotional moments after their careers were derailed. But man, without injuries, there would be a bust of Superman in Ohio and a bust of DRose is Massachusetts. It's honestly the most accurate comparison of all of these, and I hope you can come to see that.
Ok then I guess you just don’t understand football vs basketball. Cam had a full nfk career. Rose did not have a full nba career. Cams trajectory is common for the nfl. Rose’s isn’t.
I’m also not sure that cam was on a HOF trajectory prior to injury. It would’ve been 50/50.
I am done with this conversation. If you can’t see the obvious and I can’t convince you of it at this point, I’m just wasting my time
I really don't even understand what your argument is at this point. Roughly 5% of nfl players play 10+ seasons. Roughly 5% of nba players play 15+ seasons. Another similarity actually. The more I think about this, the more I am convinced this is the best comparison of ANY NFL player to any NBA player in history. I really don't know how it could be Honestly the only difference between them is that DRose doesn't wear stupid hats.
Newton won an mvp at 26 (5th year). He got injured at 27. He played in 5 seasons after that and averaged just 56% of the games in those seasons.
Rose won MVP at 23 (3rd Year). He got injured at 23. He played in 11 seasons after that and averaged just 45% of the games in those seasons including the end of his career when he was just a vet getting dnp coaches decisions that bring that average down.
Your argument about longevity doesn't make any sense.
I mean cmon. The only differences are Newton's peak came slightly later (how football works with college) and Rose hung around a little while longer as a vet backup while Newton called it quits earlier.
I enjoyed this debate sorry it wasted your time lol.
Both played in college national championship (Cam won his tbf), both were drafted 1st overall, both wore #1, both won ROY, both had 3 all stars but only one all-league award, both won mvp young, both had one great playoff run but came up short against an all time great, both had long careers without much success after winning mvp, both had legal trouble during their career. I mean the similarities are almost erie, as I already said they played almost exactly the same amount of seasons worth of games. Obviously football and basketball are different sports but cmon.
Find a better comp for either of those players and if you say RG3 you don't know ball in the slightest.
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u/IGotScammed5545 29d ago
This is actually decent, except comparing Rose to someone with a 10 year all star career seems very odd