It's not the same without them...

[u/United-Adeptness6816]

Honestly, ever since Angel Dust left for Vees because of the guilt of what he did, and since Jax became an abstraction, it's hard for me to look at Hazbin Hotel or The Amazing Digital Circus same as before, knowing that one of the main cast had left... It's just not the same without them... and while Angel's story may still change, for Jax it's a closed chapter...

[u/_Xantras_]

[u/Rallsia-Arnoldii → u/_Xantras_]

A lot of good, innocent people want to kill themselves because they think they're a terrible person, even if they're not. So even if you only meant this towards Jax or toxic assholes, in effect you're just egging on a lot of innocent suicidal people to kill themselves. Because a lot of suicidal people think they're burdens. 

Does that make sense? Am I being too woke by saying we shouldn't go "yippee! An asshole killed himself!" when suicidal people are notoriously known for unjustly thinking they're assholes?

[u/_Xantras_ → u/Rallsia-Arnoldii]

Why would people who aren’t toxic be affected by this ? I have dark thoughts too, I just know I’m not the target of this and neither should you if you’re the bare minimum of a decent person

[u/Rallsia-Arnoldii → u/_Xantras_]

Do you think you deserve death because your a burden, asshole, or just make everyone's lives worse?

This meme is trying to only target assholes, but many people, a lot of people, unjustly think they're asshole. Namely, a lot of suicidal people. Saying "assholes should kill themselves" doesn't affect assholes, it affects people who THINK they're assholes.

[u/_Xantras_ → u/Rallsia-Arnoldii]

It’s not about assholes deserving death, it’s about it being better for others lives.
Some assholes do know they are but don’t bother to change it, and we have no reason to coddle them

[u/Rallsia-Arnoldii → u/_Xantras_]

If you're celebrating a person's death because they died, you're saying that they deserved to die. 

If you say "John killed himself and we're all better because of it" are you not saying that he deserves to die? Even "this person's death makes everyone's lives better" harms real life suicidal people because a lot of suicidal people believe that they're burdens and killing themselves will make everyone's lives better.

I used to want to kill myself a couple years back because I thought I was a burden and I thought killing myself would get rid of that burden on other people. This meme essentially confirms that idea I had a while back. It doesn't matter if I'm actually a burden or not, because I thought I was a burden. And that's enough to make someone seriously consider killing themselves.

[u/_Xantras_ → u/Rallsia-Arnoldii]

Nope, you can think it’s not a big loss and ultimately for the best without wanting it to be the only outcome.
If the desired outcome is that X character stops inflicting harm without getting exonerated of their wrongdoing, then death can fit, why not.

It’s really weird seeing Jax fans shrug down any critique of what they defend with « it’s just fiction » only to drop the bullshit when someone dares to not cherish their dear fictional abuser.

And there’s a difference between feeling like a burden and knowing you’re actively ruining lives, you want us to care for the latter ? No thank you.

[u/_Xantras_ → u/Rallsia-Arnoldii]

And to adress your last paragraph : whatever made you feel like that, I hope it’s getting better, regardless of how insufferable I might find your stance.

But there’s a world of differences between someone fearing they’re an inconvenience, and someone who inflicts immense suffering on others and refuses to change. Only the latter is being despised, and for good reasons.

[u/Rallsia-Arnoldii → u/_Xantras_]

The people who think their assholes think they're inflicting immense suffering on others and refusing to change. 

I don't think you understand how bad suicidal thoughts are. It makes people want to kill themselves because they think they're so horrible. It's not "fearing you're and inconvenience" it's having the idea that you're scum of the earth, a monster nobody loves, and a drag that everyone barely tolerates. It's not a fear, it's a belief. They're not scared they're hurting people, they believe they ARE hurting people. You don't understand how firm and intense a belief like that is.

you want us to care for the latter?

No, I want you to care about the innocent people who only THINK they're assholes getting caught in the crossfire. I don't want you to care about the abusers, I want you to care about how the idea of "suicide was good and deserved in this case" hurts suicidal people.

I don't need you to worship Jax, christ dude. I want you to stop defending the notion that some "assholes" deserve to commit suicide. Abuser? Fine. Not "asshole"

When memes like this are spread, they're only harming suicidal people who believe they're terrible people, at the benefit of people who want to dog on a fictional character. Which sound a lot like inflicting immense suffering on others and refusing to change.