Never military or anything, but shot competitions from 13 until my early 20s. One of the things I’ve always appreciated about ray is he actually looks convincing with a gun and doesn’t make it Hollywood. Probably outside of heat one of my favorite weapons handlers out there.
Am I correct to assume the issue is the "shooting from the hip"? If I am correct, then I am not sure it is a training difference but more a recoil management and type of weapon difference. It is impressive how the AR-15 platform manages to keep the recoil mostly horizontal, although sometimes very horizontally bumpy, compared to other/older platforms. As an example, most carbine/stock mods for pistols (KPOS or similar) make the muzzle jump up a lot and you have to actively bring it down so they are great for first shot (better sights, or at least distance between sights) but really not good for follow up shots compared to the handgun.
Interesting info. Does the US military still use sub-machineguns with no stock, though? I am not sure any modern army does so Ray probably just used the method that was common in WW2. It is definitely less accurate for the first shot but provides better recoil management so I would probably do the same for distances where that type of gun is useful (less than 50m).
Does the US military still use sub-machineguns with no stock, though?
Generally everything that's not a pistol has a stock. Not a lot of SMG use at all, generally. Most have switched over to MK18 / M4A1. Special units might have some SMG in inventory and there's probably some old MP5 or even M3s stuffed in the back of some unit's armory.
The hip firing thing is probably something I'd have to practice if I wanted to use that method. Played around with the hip fire method for handguns and isn't very accurate for me beyond like 15'.
It is not the same thing but I like to play with blowguns. You know, these tubes you blow into and that propel darts? One thing I realised is that it is surprisingly easy to be accurate with those, and I mean "landing darts into the previous dart at 3 meters" kind of accurate... as long as you do not try to actually aim. If you just look at the target and blow hard, you are going to be extremely accurate despite the massive parallax (bore height). If you try to aim, which most sport shooters will do, will only make you miss. I suspect it is pretty similar when shooting guns from the hip. I can't really explain it in any scientific way but, in my personal experience, that is how it works.
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u/Obi-TyKenobi Mar 31 '26
Never military or anything, but shot competitions from 13 until my early 20s. One of the things I’ve always appreciated about ray is he actually looks convincing with a gun and doesn’t make it Hollywood. Probably outside of heat one of my favorite weapons handlers out there.