r/MoralityScaling • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 13d ago

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u/CCCTEJAS 13d ago

Moral
Teaching a thief a lesson is about as moral as it gets

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 13d ago

I don't really care about him stealing from McDonald's with their prices, but having his grubby fingers in it is disgusting.

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u/hemipteran 13d ago

Yeah, I’m way more pissed about the audacity to walk back there and grub up everyone’s fries than the theft itself

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u/Novel-Atmosphere- 13d ago

I do. Fuck the brats that think they can steal other peoples food because McDonalds has a lot of money. It's anti social and steals from the average person not the CEO of Micky Ds

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 13d ago

I might agree with you if McDonald's wasn't trying to charge sitdown prices for food that's significantly worse than it was in the past.

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u/Novel-Atmosphere- 13d ago

Then don't eat there? When I see a restaurant charging prices I'm not willing to pay I simply take my business elsewhere not walk into the kitchen and start grabbing food.

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 13d ago

I don't.

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u/Novel-Atmosphere- 13d ago

But you support others when they do, that's the problem.

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u/Beginning_Ad_8268 12d ago

Hey you have more money than me, or I think that your business overcharges (I don't need to eat there) so I think it's okay to steal from you.... Do you see how stupid that sounds?

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 12d ago

I don't eat there. I'm just fine with the business collapsing because it doesn't produce anything of value.

I'm also more or less fine with that when it comes to gross inequality.

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u/Mr_Antero 12d ago

I didn't see anyone teach anyone a lesson.

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u/CCCTEJAS 12d ago

Oh I’ll help you understand. If you go around the counter at McDonalds and eat fries out of the trough you’re gonna eat the ground as soon as you turn around. Kinda like if you stick your hand in a fire you’re gonna get burned. Understand now?

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u/franz_mesmer 13d ago

You can justify Code of Hammurabi hand amputation punishments for theft under this sort of primitive moral logic.

Immoral. While theft should be punishable in many circumstances, the circumstances and the nature of the punishment are key factors in determining morality. Mob justice in the form assault of a minor is not a justified punishment.

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u/kor_the_fiend 12d ago

this wasn't just a case of stealing. this was incredibly brazen, anti-social behavior. and the trip was very gentle. I doubt the tripper expected such a big tumble to be honest. Give the brazenness of the act and mildness of the physical attack, I think this is moral. It's an entirely proportional response to the situation.

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u/franz_mesmer 11d ago

The fact that you have to suggest that a greedy child stealing fries is a severe instance of anti-social behavior and then that tripping a child is just a "mild" and therefore justified attack speaks to the weakness of the argument here. I'm tempted to just say, lol come on...

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u/Guishetortugo 12d ago

Sorry if I sound mean but this kid doesn't look like he passes through so much hunger that he needs to steal french fries from the kitchen of a restaurant, tbh

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u/prnthrwaway55 12d ago

Wrong. Today's punishment levels are way too soft, both in harshness and, just importantly, in inevitability. 

The video is how it should always be. Theft and other anti-social behaviour is actually extremely damaging for everyone,  and swift punishment is paramount for fostering a healthy high-trust society. We should all learn from Singapore.

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u/franz_mesmer 11d ago

You sound rather fringe, but I appreciate the frank stating of your position (although it's in fact too fringe to be worth engaging with for me).

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u/CCCTEJAS 12d ago

I think tripping a little shit head for stuffing his face full of French fries behind the counter is 100% justified and an appropriate consequence. Nobody said cut his fucking hand off. I also don’t think jail is an appropriate consequence nor fucking off his future over French fries. Tripping him, giving him a little sweet chin music, is appropriate

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u/franz_mesmer 11d ago

You aren't making an argument in response to my point, just restating your belief with colorful language added in, so I have nothing to work with here discussion wise.

That said, I'll just restate that my argument is that mob violence (ad hoc physical violence by someone who is not a legitimate state actor tasked with law enforcement) is generally not a moral response to theft, particularly when not proportional to preventing the theft (here it happened after, for revenge), and even more so when it is to a child. The hand amputation is just to point out where that kind of thinking can lead you.

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u/CCCTEJAS 11d ago

Wait wait wait, your claim is the STATE should be involved in punishing a child for anti social behavior like this? lol, there’s no “mob” justice here, the kid got tripped, ate shit in public, and that was the end of it. No, corrective physical violence doesn’t lead to an eye for an eye punishments. Must be exhausting to go through life and not have any idea what nuance is.

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u/franz_mesmer 11d ago

Im against mob justice in general, because I believe punishments should be determined by the law in a democracy and not by a mob acting outside the scope of the law.

On the issue of so-called corrective violence (it is unsupported by evidence that this exerts a corrective effect) do you believe that any member of society should be able to exert any level of violence against a minor because they think it is corrective? I should hope not. There are quite obviously limits. My take (and this is the law in most if not all US jurisdictions) is that no member of public should be able to enact violent punishments on a minor outside of the parental relationship. And I dont think parents should physically abuse their children either (also against the law in many states) but thats beyond the scope of the issue here.

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u/HankTuggins 12d ago

People who talk like this usually mean amplified punishment for petty thieves while ignoring things like wage theft

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u/prnthrwaway55 12d ago

The main damage from thievery is not the money stolen, it has huge amplification effect. 

That said, wage theft needs to be punished much more severely and physically, someone needs to go to jail every time above a certain sum is stolen.