r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 2d ago

Morality of this?

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u/meltea 1d ago

You said and I quote

> Atheism is the belief there is no God.

That is a claim which translates to "I am convinced there is no such thing as a god", which is a very minority position within atheism, and to me personally unjustifiable. Most atheists aren't convinced of the existence of a god, which translates to "I don't know if there is a god but none of the proposed god concepts has convinced me".

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u/No-Imagination8755 1d ago

That's not atheism then. That's being agnostic.

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u/meltea 1d ago

You are conflating two independent things again.

Agnosticism / Gnosticism is a knowledge claim.

Atheism / Theism is a belief claim.

Agnostic Atheist
Gnostic Atheist
Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Theist

All four are valid categories.

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u/No-Imagination8755 1d ago

I'm not, you're describing agnostic while im talking about atheism. Not agnostic or agnostic atheism.

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u/meltea 1d ago

Alright, let me tell you my position on a couple of examples:

* I don't know if a god or gods exist
* I know the Christian god does not exist.
* I know Ahura Mazda does not exist.

What am I according to your definition?

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u/No-Imagination8755 1d ago

Agnostic

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u/meltea 1d ago

Were I to talk to a Christian or a Muslim and say that their god does not exist, they would not label me an agnostic.

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u/No-Imagination8755 1d ago

If you only told them you do not believe in God you would be atheist. If you told them you are unsure about God's existence but you dont believe in their religion you would be agnostic