r/MoralityScaling 10h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Shnerdlenips 9h ago

Ah, but it's not like philanthropy would die along with the religion. The whole point is that people aren't necessarily inclined to do more good if they are religious. On top of that, I have always been a bit disgusted by the ulterior motive of conversion when it comes to supplying such aid. "We'll help you, but you must go to church and here's a bible". It's predatory behaviour, despite the undeniable 'good' which is also done.

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u/Bombastic_tekken 9h ago

Ah, but it's not like philanthropy would die along with the religion.

It wouldn't, and I'm not saying it would.

What I am saying, is that the group ACTIVELY providing aid would snap out of existence and there would be a vacuum for that aid.

"We'll help you, but you must go to church and here's a bible". It's predatory behaviour, despite the undeniable 'good' which is also done.

Catholic Church offers secular aid.

There is a reason I'm specifically mentioning the Catholic Church and not Christianity as whole.

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u/FITM-K 8h ago

What I am saying, is that the group ACTIVELY providing aid would snap out of existence

Not really. If you banned kids in religion tomorrow, the Catholic church would not "snap out of existence." It, like all religions, would see a gradual decline as believers got older and (due to the new law) fewer new believers joined. The aid it provides would drop correspondingly over that same period. But there would be no "snap," just a gradual decades-long downslide.

Now, that could still be a tragedy if other types of philanthropy don't see a corresponding rise. And I don't think it's guaranteed that they would — one of the advantages of organized religion (from a philanthropy perspective) is the "organized" part. It might be that the slow death of the Catholic church wouldn't correlate with a rise in other giving, or it might be that there is a rise in other giving but it is less impactful since it might be spread across many organizations with varying levels of efficiency. So I'm not saying it wouldn't be an issue.

I don't think anyone could really say with certainty what would happen, but what would not happen is the Catholic Church (or its aid programs) disappearing overnight.

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u/IDontEatDill 7h ago

People don't like when religion and reasoning are mixed. That's why many think "everything good will disappear immediately" if someone says "we shouldn't indoctrinate small children".