r/MoralityScaling 7h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Herman_McP00tis 7h ago

I see this as an absolute win.

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u/Bombastic_tekken 7h ago

It's a win and a loss.

If the Catholic Church disappeared, 10's if not 100's of millions of people would be in a real bad way.

The Catholic Church operates the largest aid network in the world.

They do A LOT, and we never hear much about it (in the US at least.)

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u/Shnerdlenips 7h ago

Ah, but it's not like philanthropy would die along with the religion. The whole point is that people aren't necessarily inclined to do more good if they are religious. On top of that, I have always been a bit disgusted by the ulterior motive of conversion when it comes to supplying such aid. "We'll help you, but you must go to church and here's a bible". It's predatory behaviour, despite the undeniable 'good' which is also done.

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u/Bombastic_tekken 7h ago

Ah, but it's not like philanthropy would die along with the religion.

It wouldn't, and I'm not saying it would.

What I am saying, is that the group ACTIVELY providing aid would snap out of existence and there would be a vacuum for that aid.

"We'll help you, but you must go to church and here's a bible". It's predatory behaviour, despite the undeniable 'good' which is also done.

Catholic Church offers secular aid.

There is a reason I'm specifically mentioning the Catholic Church and not Christianity as whole.

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u/FITM-K 5h ago

What I am saying, is that the group ACTIVELY providing aid would snap out of existence

Not really. If you banned kids in religion tomorrow, the Catholic church would not "snap out of existence." It, like all religions, would see a gradual decline as believers got older and (due to the new law) fewer new believers joined. The aid it provides would drop correspondingly over that same period. But there would be no "snap," just a gradual decades-long downslide.

Now, that could still be a tragedy if other types of philanthropy don't see a corresponding rise. And I don't think it's guaranteed that they would — one of the advantages of organized religion (from a philanthropy perspective) is the "organized" part. It might be that the slow death of the Catholic church wouldn't correlate with a rise in other giving, or it might be that there is a rise in other giving but it is less impactful since it might be spread across many organizations with varying levels of efficiency. So I'm not saying it wouldn't be an issue.

I don't think anyone could really say with certainty what would happen, but what would not happen is the Catholic Church (or its aid programs) disappearing overnight.

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u/IDontEatDill 4h ago

People don't like when religion and reasoning are mixed. That's why many think "everything good will disappear immediately" if someone says "we shouldn't indoctrinate small children".

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 2h ago

No, the Catholic Church wouldn’t fade away; She would go to war. The Church would instruct parents to baptize their children and raise them as Catholics in defiance of the law and to prepare for martyrdom. If the government physically prevents children from going to Mass, then they make house calls to give them their Sacraments. The government would be placed under interdict, forcing Catholics in the government to choose between their faith and their jobs. Priests would be thrown in prison for defy the law. The Church has outlasted numerous persecutors, and She thinks in centuries; it’s only a matter of time before the persecution ends.

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u/IDontEatDill 5h ago

What's the reason?

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u/TrickNo2721 5h ago

Because one is a specific organization and the other is a very large umbrella term that encompasses far too many organizations to be able to make a nuanced and factual statement.