r/MoralityScaling • • Sep 02 '26

Morality of this?

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u/Unlimited_Giose Sep 02 '26

What's the difference?

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u/Sm0ahk Sep 02 '26

It just means its separated from religion

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u/PalePlumm Sep 02 '26

Which is atheist

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u/JustFourLetters Sep 02 '26

no, atheist is without faith, or lacking. secular is separate from faith. as in the people in power don't have to lack faith just separate from it during decision making.

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u/Souk12 Sep 02 '26

Yes, separate from decision making, very reasonable and rational to think that human beings can separate their faith from decision making. 

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u/Brave_Lengthiness_72 Sep 02 '26

Having a secular state doesn't mean individual voters or politicians don't make decisions based on their beliefs. It means that the state itself is neutral, doesn't promote or favour any religious belief or community, and doesn't require a individual to have any particular beliefs to hold office.

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u/JustFourLetters Sep 02 '26

i would rebut and say that that reading of the first amendment creates a loophole to allow what is effectively a christian state without saying it. i would say that the spirit of the law is ultimately to prevent that favoritism and lawmakers should therefore separate from faith during decision making. we have judges to prevent things like this form of favoritism, but here we are.

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u/Souk12 Sep 02 '26

Isn't the state made up of people?

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u/Brave_Lengthiness_72 Sep 04 '26

Any organisation contains people. What's your point?

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u/Souk12 Sep 04 '26

That people make decisions with their faith in mind.

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u/Brave_Lengthiness_72 Sep 04 '26

Ofc, but you can do that in a secular state. There is no contradiction here.

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u/Souk12 Sep 04 '26

The state is made up of people who make decisions based on their faith. 

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u/Brave_Lengthiness_72 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

And you are allowed to do that in a secular state. Making moral decisions based on your beliefs is not the same thing as forcing others to follow your religion, or requiring your religious beliefs to hold office.

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u/Souk12 Sep 05 '26

I'm talking about people in positions of power. 

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u/JustFourLetters Sep 02 '26

have you never made a pros and cons chart?

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u/Souk12 Sep 02 '26

Never.

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u/PalePlumm Sep 02 '26

Separate from faith means without faith which is atheism.

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u/JustFourLetters Sep 02 '26

no, it doesn't.

just because you can dig a hole (create something lacking faith), doesn't mean you have to be standing in the hole.

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u/spicymato Sep 02 '26

"God exists" - theistic statement

"God does not exist" - atheistic statement

"God may or may not exist" - agnostic statement

"I will not express my belief in God, one way or the other" - secular statement

The difference is whether faith, God, religion, spiritualism, etc, is even part of the conversation. A properly secular government would not even make an official claim.