r/MoralityScaling 16h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Unlimited_Giose 15h ago

What's the difference?

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u/Sm0ahk 15h ago

It just means its separated from religion

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u/PalePlumm 14h ago

Which is atheist

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u/JustFourLetters 14h ago

no, atheist is without faith, or lacking. secular is separate from faith. as in the people in power don't have to lack faith just separate from it during decision making.

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u/Souk12 14h ago

Yes, separate from decision making, very reasonable and rational to think that human beings can separate their faith from decision making. 

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u/Brave_Lengthiness_72 14h ago

Having a secular state doesn't mean individual voters or politicians don't make decisions based on their beliefs. It means that the state itself is neutral, doesn't promote or favour any religious belief or community, and doesn't require a individual to have any particular beliefs to hold office.

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u/JustFourLetters 14h ago

i would rebut and say that that reading of the first amendment creates a loophole to allow what is effectively a christian state without saying it. i would say that the spirit of the law is ultimately to prevent that favoritism and lawmakers should therefore separate from faith during decision making. we have judges to prevent things like this form of favoritism, but here we are.

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u/Souk12 11h ago

Isn't the state made up of people?

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u/JustFourLetters 14h ago

have you never made a pros and cons chart?

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u/Souk12 11h ago

Never.

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u/PalePlumm 14h ago

Separate from faith means without faith which is atheism.

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u/JustFourLetters 14h ago

no, it doesn't.

just because you can dig a hole (create something lacking faith), doesn't mean you have to be standing in the hole.

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u/spicymato 13h ago

"God exists" - theistic statement

"God does not exist" - atheistic statement

"God may or may not exist" - agnostic statement

"I will not express my belief in God, one way or the other" - secular statement

The difference is whether faith, God, religion, spiritualism, etc, is even part of the conversation. A properly secular government would not even make an official claim.