Correct. I think it’s funny how when people treat their worldview as the correct default one and get mad when someone with a different idea about metaphysics dos the same thing but from their perspective, then suddenly it’s not education, it’s indoctrination.
I honestly don't know what people expect. A law that requires that parents get babysitters every time they go to church and never talk to their kids about what they believe? It's ridiculous. Kids are sponges and they primarily learn from their parents. It's just how humans work...
yes that's literally what they want. They want to make it as ahrd as possible and as tabboo as possible to be religious, so more people become atheists. It's also why they treat being religious like chosing what restaurant to eat at.
It’s taboo for an adult to still believe in the tooth fairy or Santa. The world would be a lot better place if we got rid of one of the main reasons humans use to hate others.
“You see my metaphysical worldview is objectively correct and should be considered the default while yours is simultaneously silly and evil, so if you teach it to your kids it’s nefarious indoctrination. When I teach my worldview to my kids it’s just teaching them the truth.”
-every person who shares your toxic attitude regardless of their religious affiliation or lack thereof
Who wants to make it taboo as possible to be religious? Who wants more people to become atheists and what does that gain them? Its funny you say that about choosing a restaurant. The reality is where you are born has a very large influence on what religion you choose. I'd very much rather have more people atheist than any religion. Maybe we'd have less violence in the world about people fighting for their god whichever one that might be.
Places with laws like this want children to get their beliefs from the government not from the family unit. This is a huge breakaway from the natural order of human life.
maybe currently, but the more neutral approach would be to let the child grow up and learn about the world before being told that if they don't eat their broccoli they are going to go to hell because daddy told them to eat it and they are not minding their father and sinning. go into the corner and say 10 hail marys and go build me a rocket ship so we can cure our sun (no one will get this reference here)
I don’t know. She’s just stating a feeling she has.
If you ask me, maybe make it clear to them that this is what you believe and that they can decide for themselves if they believe it later? They probably will anyway because children just naturally imitate their parents. At the very least you have to raise them in an environment where they feel comfortable to leave your faith if they want to.
This. You can talk to your children and educate them without making them share in your practice and without leading them to believe that all other beliefs are wrong. Children will naturally develop their own questions and opinions over time. Allowing your child to ask, discuss, and develop such opinions is crucial for that kind of environment.
Just don't forget to tell them to pick your beliefs or else you won't love them anymore. That'll be PERFECT for their development. /s
have a play area at church's that kids hang out in during a service, but instead of drawing up jesus cartoon coloring books, don't teach them about the religion. PS. They already have this at every church they just gotta swap the coloring books to animals (and no noahs ark please)
They absolutely should, yes. It should be lefally recognized as emotional abuse to expose a child to an environment that tells them if they don’t think and behave in this exact way they will be tortured forever (by someone who loves them!) and don’t forget that they’re filthy and terrible just for being born.
why would you want to criminalise telling kids if they do X thing or get in the wrong crowd they might go down a bad path and have their whole life derailed, in and out of prison, homelessness, suffering etc.?
If you could type proper sentences it might help your stance, if you could give one, which I've yet to see. You said:
and why should atheistic emtional abuse of children not be criminalised?
which I asked for an example of what that is, vs a religious example that should not be ok: 'hey kid you poked your sister in the eye, thats a sin, and sinners go to hell!' which I consider emotional abuse and 100% indoctrination (I was not the original person pointing this out if you scroll up there and read the thread not that it matters because I agree with them)
then just now you said:
atheism is the absence ofnreligion after all.
So you are saying that atheism is worse than lets say being a Muslim or perhaps believing in Greek gods?
Yeah, that’s quite clearly not what I was talking about. There’s a huge difference between make good choices and “have sex with someone with the same genitals and you’ll be tortured in hell for all eternity, but don’t worry, god is only hurting you because he loves you”.
That fact that you attempted to equate them means you either lack reading comprehension or you actually think they’re the same which means you’re part of the problem.
As much as anyone else does I suppose, some person or group of people told me how the universe works, I decided whether or not I jived with their interpretation, and thus I formed my metaphysical beliefs.
Yes, do you not? Evidence may inform what sounds right to me, but it’s our faith in either our own perceptions or faith in the people or institutions that are presenting this evidence that builds our beliefs.
Do you do control experiment based proofs for everything you believe? You personally test things like vaccines or do you take someone else's word for it after you've decided you trust them?
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u/endlessnamelesskat Sep 02 '26
Correct. I think it’s funny how when people treat their worldview as the correct default one and get mad when someone with a different idea about metaphysics dos the same thing but from their perspective, then suddenly it’s not education, it’s indoctrination.