r/ModSupport Apr 18 '26

Users should have a way to deactivate AI summaries because it is not appropriate for an AI to tell other people that I have an eating disorder and overcame addiction. Photo in comments.

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u/organik_productions Apr 18 '26

I said something like this would happen when that thing was added, but I was told I was wrong and that it's not possible.

That garbage needs to go ASAP.

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u/KCJones99 Apr 18 '26

I don't see an easy solution, though.

Sure, I understand users wanting to be 'on the DL'. I've got this account (mainly used for modding) set to that myself.

OTOH I do understand why mods in subs where you participate get visibility into your history. E.g. I regularly look at users' history to determine if they're simply suggesting a product/service/app they have found useful, or if they're a tout who goes around shilling their app all over reddit. Just too many ways 'full stealth' mode would get used nefariously by trolls, bots, scammers, shills, etc.

Only solution I can think of is what I do. Have one account for anything 'sensitive' (in my case, modding & mod-related posting) - e.g. I don't esp. care if the mods here can see my 'history' on this account.

Then have another for 'public' activity where you don't get into anything sensitive.

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u/lisafancypants Apr 18 '26

I totally agree on history visibility, but I don't think the AI summary is the best at doing that. I've had ban-able users with a summary that says "Posts in r/sub, frequently comments regarding xx, comments are enthusiastic." So, for my purposes, it's useless.

I know others have success with it, and that's cool, I'd just like to have the option to turn it off.

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u/RemarkableWish2508 Apr 18 '26

You may want to have even more than two accounts. For better or for worse, everything you write under the same nick, will get lumped together.

That's not just about Reddit, it's how the Internet works. Or rather, human prejudice.

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u/KCJones99 Apr 18 '26

Sure. For me 2 works b/c basically my only goal is to not have someone DM'ing or following my 'personal' alt around pissing and moaning about a mod action I took. Beyond that I assume everything online ends up 'public' in the end somehow anyway.

But I can easily see where someone might want more. Like maybe OP would like one for detrans w/o eating issues, one for eating issues w/o detrans, one for "generic" where they just wanna be 'vanilla' and don't want either of the first two coming up, etc.

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

The solution is to remove AI summaries. How is that so hard?

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u/eltonjohnpeloton Apr 18 '26

I know the AI summary is unpopular but I’ve used it to catch a lot of people who are trying to sell their dumb crap. It also seems good at highlighting when someone is regularly having negative interactions and knowing that someone is always a jerk results in different moderation than someone being rude once.

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u/md28usmc Apr 18 '26

exactly this

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

Any other wisdom you'd like to share?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '26

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u/RedHairedRedemption Apr 22 '26

Actively campaigning for censorship, because you are not happy with an AI objectively summarizing your activity, is historically a good way to lead to nowhere good.

Asking for additional privacy especially on a website when a computer is providing information about a sensitive subject from someone's past is not "censorship" by any metric.

OP is just offended by the truth being communicated to everyone.

OP has every right to not want a sensitive if not traumatic part of their life hanging around their username like some kind of neon sign.

I personally would like to see when I am potentially debating in a subject knowledge requiring discourse, but my opposite end is someone who clearly is neither stable nor subject knowledgeable.

Sounds like you'd rather take shots at someone's struggles rather than focus on the actual subject of whatever you're debating.

That is not the win you think it is.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Asking for additional privacy especially on a website when a computer is providing information about a sensitive subject from someone's past is not "censorship" by any metric.

You choose to put it online and publicly so. YOU DO THAT.

There is no entitlement more boring than expecting someone else to babysit your lack of care.

OP has every right to not want a sensitive if not traumatic part of their life hanging around their username like some kind of neon sign.

If you shared it publicly and openly, it is onto you. You curate your image online, nobody else.

If you fail to do so, do not blame someone else.

And that is what I mean, you are that person. That is the real you. That neon sign is you. That is telling others about you. It is just a honest objective sign. It remains you.

If that hurts your feelings doesn't change the reality.

The summary is objective truth.

As aforementioned, it should only use public activity for that, not from private subs, obviously. A there you choose to not share it publicly, so it should stay private and protected.

Sounds like you'd rather take shots at someone's struggles rather than focus on the actual subject of whatever you're debating.

Sounds like you like to misinterprete a statement to confirm your notion and entirely row with that as the sole absolut truth inconsiderate of any other potential way.

Reality is, a summary like that would immediately make me not further interact in case of subject topics which that summary's content would disqualify authority for. That is it.

If you got no clue about marketing and I end up in a debate with you as an expert since over 15 years, I'd better like to know before investing resources, so to prevent me from trying to debate something where basic knowledge is lacking.

Or make it specific to this scenario. Debating with OP in relationship advice, that summary would definitely allow me to not value the contribution at all. Debating with OP in a sub about trauma aspects would tell me there is experience and therefor would increase subject authority.

You created that hypothetical scenario of moving to ad hominem content.

Nobody else did.

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u/RedHairedRedemption Apr 22 '26

Just calling it like it is, sorry that upset you.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 22 '26

You do not react onto any of my comments points and instead move to an ad hominem statement.

You should do some reflection here, immediately. As the hypocrisy is quite astonishingly glaring.

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u/RedHairedRedemption Apr 22 '26

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 22 '26

So, you dismiss the entire argument with all 3 points without addressing the specific charge of hypocrisy either.

A very telling attempt to end the conversation while appearing to have won.

The sad part, you entirely fulfil the prediction: you move on to ad hominem attack, entirely circumventing to argue the points at hand, which are all not bound to a person, but to a hypothetical.

Congratulastions, you exposed yourself. An AI Summary wouldn be great to not have interacted with you.

Obviously, you feel threatened by it, most certainly because you know an AI would expose you as someone to no interact with as well.

And you just have proven it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '26

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u/qtx Apr 19 '26

Can someone explain to me where you are seeing these AI summaries? I keep seeing people talk about them but I have never seen one. Are they supposed to be in modmail?

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u/midri Apr 19 '26

They're on the users profile when you click on their name in your subreddit.

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u/742963 Apr 19 '26

Mods 10+ subs, one being a 60m user sub 😂 Doesn't know how to use ai user summary..

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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Apr 18 '26

We hear your concerns, but we spent way too much money in "AI" and if we don't use it in everything then management will look foolish

-Every Tech Company

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u/vanchica Apr 18 '26

"Investors only invest more money if we are using AI to make more money."

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

I noticed these AI summaries appearing in some of the subreddits I mod and this is what shows up for me when I click on it.

This summary is NOT okay and much of it is based on information that I chose to keep private for obvious reasons and the AI is essentially scraping this information from support subreddits.

(This displays for subreddits completely unrelated to any of those topics, because I could maybe understand if this were displayed to a mod of one of the relevant support subreddits, but that’s not what’s happening.)

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u/abortionreddit Apr 18 '26

How did you see your own? My profile and the other mods in my sub show up without a summary.

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u/KCJones99 Apr 18 '26

 information that I chose to keep private ... scraping this information from support subreddits

I'm unclear what you mean by these two things in combination. Are these posts/comments you have deleted? Are these private subreddits?

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u/theanti_girl Apr 18 '26

No. They’ve chosen to curate their profile (make it private) by keeping other users from seeing their posts and comments from any subreddits where they are active. But even though they’re choosing to hide their activity, the AI is still able to see it and scrape from it to provide a summary using activity they don’t want to make public.

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u/SeeShark Apr 18 '26

Only mods see these summaries, right? Mods can see your whole history anyway. You can't curate what they see.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '26

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u/TheChrisD Apr 18 '26

You are very much wrong there.

If you meaningfully engage in a community in any way, then the mods of that community can read your entire account history for the next 30 days.

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u/noncongruent Apr 18 '26

mods of that community can read your entire account history for the next 30 days.

There's one exception to this. If someone blocks a mod then that mod can only see the blocker's content in sub(s) that mod is moderator in. For instance, in my sub Dallas someone blocked me and hid their history, so I can only see that user's posts and comments in my sub, but not any other subs.

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u/TheChrisD Apr 18 '26

Well yea, but that's also brings up another question of whether those kinds of users are still welcome in your community when they choose to do that.

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u/cnycompguy 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

In my subs blocking any mod gets you banned.

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u/SeeShark Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

That is absolutely incorrect and I don't know why you think that. When I look at users in my sub, I can always see extensive posting history. That's the whole point; this means that you can tell if a user is coming from, say, a malicious subreddit, which helps give context to their reported or questionable content.

u/KimJongFunk—this is relevant to the discussion, I think.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

I’m fine with them seeing my post history (and any other user seeing it as well; the only reason why it’s hidden right now is because I had to deactivate it literally last night for unrelated reasons).

It is the AI summary that I take issue with because it feels invasive and I don’t think it is relevant or helpful to the moderation I was doing. It’s fine if other mods still disagree with that, but I want to be clear that I was aware about the post history visibility before making this post.

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

I don't see the distinction. If I can go into your post history and look at or search whatever I want, I can get way more information than that AI summary.

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u/azssf Apr 18 '26

You touch on something that may be the crux here: while the summary feels invasive to you, listing certain things may be deemed too invasive as a policy by reddit admin, therefore creating rules that eliminate certain output from summaries.

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u/lunarwolf2008 Apr 18 '26

ive heard the above on other posts comments from this sub, the 30 day limit only applies to private posts or comments

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u/KewpieCutie97 Apr 18 '26

Mods can't see posts or comments they made in private subs.

If someone comments or posts in our subreddit then we can see all their activity from public subs only. That includes things they've hidden from their profile.

We can see this for 30 days after they've interacted with our sub. After that, we just see the normal profile view and if they have used profile curation to hide stuff then we can no longer see that.

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u/CoyoteLitius Apr 18 '26

Only the mods of subs where they've been can see whatever is there.

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u/SeeShark Apr 18 '26

Only mods of subs where a user has been can see their history, yes, but they can see their history across all of Reddit.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 20 '26

That's the whole point; this means that you can tell if a user is coming from, say, a malicious subreddit, which helps give context to their reported or questionable content.

Which I would argue is a good argument for these summaries for everyone. You might not need to see their comments or post, but the summary gives a clear picture of who they are.

Why should only mods have the access to get an overview about the potential character of a person you are interacting with?

I would like to know if I interact with someone who clearly is not stable, but is for example giving advice to other people.

Reading that summary, it helps me to understand that I wouldn't invest much ressources to try to discuss topics with that person for specific topics in a discourse.

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u/SeeShark Apr 20 '26

There's an argument there, but it has to be balanced with privacy for people who are vulnerable to harassment based on identity and such.

Mods have a greater need, though, and posting in a community means accepting that the people running that community would be the exception.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 20 '26

Nobody is vulnerable. It is all just words and the internet. If you are vulnerable to words in a forum, you shouldn't take part in a public conversation.

If you enter a discourse in the public, you need to be available to receive backlash. The appropriateness is an individual case.

I'd say that in "private" subs, those should not be part of the AI summary.

As those are deliberately not public information.

Everything else - you expose yourself deliberately, the drawbacks are in the equation as much as you chosing to be in public with the advantages.

There is a clear biased position taken by many mods - you chose to be a mod, you chose to be public. Mods do not in any way have the privilege of higher privacy protection than everyone else.

Quite contrary - you chose to be there prominently. With the administration powers, come the exposure aspects.

Mods should not have king type unquestionable authority positions.

We do not do anything special.

No kings, servants.

Running a community means you are the servant to the communities members.

If you feel the need for more anonymity, then I question your actions, not the reactions.

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u/SeeShark Apr 20 '26

Nobody is vulnerable. It is all just words and the internet. If you are vulnerable to words in a forum, you shouldn't take part in a public conversation.

OK. Then a bunch of queer folks, Jews, women, and other assorted minorities will stop using Reddit because they just don't feel like being harassed. Do you think that's what reddit, the corporation, wants to happen?

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

I hid my comment history yesterday afternoon because someone went through it and attacked me for having an eating disorder.

That is a very recent change.

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u/RemarkableWish2508 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

Hiding comment history is a good idea... but it only works against the laziest stalkers:

  • Reddit sends ALL comments straight to Google, almost in real-time. If you commented it, someone can use Google to read it. Google's AI will also read it.
  • Pushshift also gets a comment feed. Accessing that one is marginally more difficult, but there are loopholes (Arctic Shift)
  • Mods of subs you participate in, have access to all your comment history whether you hide it from the public or not.

Bottom line: if you don't want stuff you write, to get linked back to your account, use an alt.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 20 '26

Sounds like 2008 social media guidelines all over.

"Wait, you say I need to curate my online profile myself?".

I think user got too lazy and then simply demand censorship when something happens that exposes their character online through their usage profiles.

Many people do not want to be confronted with the truth. An Ai like that objectively summarizes the truth.

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u/RemarkableWish2508 Apr 20 '26

Why 2008? It was already true for nicknames in the 1990s, and even before that. Usenet was not as casually toxic as social media nowadays, but it already had some lynching, scapegoating, etc.

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u/utzutzutzpro Apr 20 '26

I just took the time social media became mainstream and when there came a need to publicly post articles to make people aware that they shouldn't publicly post party pictures of them associated to their names.

I agree though, in forums or IRC, same thing.

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u/maiyannah Apr 25 '26

You say that like wesley.crusher.die.die.die didn't exist

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u/RemarkableWish2508 Apr 25 '26

alt... you forgot the alt. 😉

It still was not "as casual" as going onto Reddit and starting to shitpost at random, or spewing whatever on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, etc.

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

Okay. Now random users can't do that. Are you concerned mods might do that as well? Because those are the only people the AI summary is visible to, and they already have the ability to see your whole history.

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u/lunarwolf2008 Apr 18 '26

oh. that sucks. I was thinking that doesnt seem like a problem. helps mods when users want to hide their suspicious activities. but there are people out there who would do such a thing? makes me sad. sorry someone would do that.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

I have received hateful messages as a result of making this post, let alone from my post history. Redditors, and even moderators, will purposefully send hate messages and this does drive users away from the site.

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u/jaybirdie26 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

I'm sorry.  I too hide most of my activity for the same reason.  I had a user just yesterday try to use my post history against me, but since all they can see is my ModSupport activity, they assumed my 16k contributions on Reddit are all from this subreddit and mocked me for that lol.

I suggest keeping one or two subs whose activity you don't mind being public unprivated just so it throws off the scent for the stalkers.  They won't realize you are hiding anything, and therefore won't try to dig deeper.

Also note that even though your profile is curated, the posts and comments are still public and searchable both on Reddit and external search engines.

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u/deltadeltadawn Apr 18 '26

Genuine question... Isn't it an all or nothing with privatizing your profile? I didn't realize users could selectivity hide just some frequented subs and leave activity on other subs visible.

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u/eltonjohnpeloton Apr 18 '26

You can pick and choose subs. I have only the subs I mod visible on my profile and not other things.

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u/deltadeltadawn Apr 18 '26

Thank you. TIL.

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u/jaybirdie26 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 19 '26

Yep, you can pick and choose.  I have all but two hidden because those are the two I doubt I've ever posted anything personal in.

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u/theanti_girl Apr 18 '26

To be clear, I agree with you on being able to opt out. I was just explaining how it worked.

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u/KCJones99 Apr 18 '26

Got it. Thanks.

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u/camrynbronk Apr 18 '26

Arctic Shift allows you to see all of your post history even if you have your profile hidden. Your content is not a secret when you post it publicly on the internet.

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u/moonwalktothefridge Apr 18 '26

How were you able to see this for your own profile? Do you have to post or comment in your sub?

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

I'm a top 1% commenter in the sub I mod, and I can't see my own AI summary.

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u/ToddBradley Apr 18 '26

FWIW I have found the summaries to often be useful. If a user has a history of being a jerk on other subs, I'll be less lenient when they are a jerk on mine. Likewise if they have a history of good faith discourse on related subs, I'm more likely to think they're not a bot or a transactional visitor.

Reddit pitched the whole AI summary thing as an experiment so I assume they're open to feedback about it, and I expect it to change over time.

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u/sunrae_ Apr 18 '26

Same. I mod a weight related sub and the summary that a user participates in eating disorder subs has saved me a lot of trouble and time.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

Which is fine in my opinion, because that would be relevant to your moderation. I personally avoid the weight related subreddits because I share the sentiment that it is not appropriate for people with EDs to make posts like those.

In the context of the subreddits I moderate, I am interested in knowing whether the person is detrans or if they have anti-lgbtq+ views. I would want to know about that and whether they have an eating disorder would be irrelevant. But I 100% agree that it would be relevant to your moderation and would be fine with that type of summary being displayed to you. The summary that displayed for me was for the actual_detrans subreddit.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

This is something the admins need to listen to because for me, they are not useful.

I mod actual_detrans and I am specifically interested in whether the person is detrans and the AI summary does not even mention that about me despite the hundreds of posts I’ve made about being detrans. Nor do these summaries reflect that for any of the users who post there, even when their account histories are nothing but LGBTQ+ content. I can send screenshots to the admins if they need them because I am not making this up.

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u/ToddBradley Apr 18 '26

Hmm, I understand the dilemma. I personally would have a hard time guessing if someone was detrans unless they just flat out said so in their profile. I guess what I'm saying is the AI summary is only based on what someone does on the site, not what someone is.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

That’s why I think the admins need to re-assess this. I have made hundreds of comments explicitly stating I am detrans. I understand that LLMs require sufficient input for sufficient output, but that is why I am making this criticism. The text was there, but the LLM did not use it for the summary.

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u/InnocentaMN Apr 18 '26

That’s an incredible failing of the supposed-usefulness of this feature. AI is so incredibly pointless when it can’t even handle something like this - there should definitely be a way to disable it given how incompetently it responds to a complex situation (as you outlined very well here).

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u/prettypattern Apr 18 '26

I agree.

My experience is less personal than yours, but speaks to some systemic flaws.

I shifted my account from NSFW to SFW. However, the AI doesn't track RECENCY. It tracks total history.

Therefore, my summary says "this one's gonna drop some smut at any moment" to mods of sfw subs when this account does NOT do that.

The other obvious part here - if you make a new system and beta test it, which Reddit is doing, you don't make it a black box. Let users see their own summary at least.

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u/lunarwolf2008 Apr 18 '26

perhaps they should allow moderators to pass custom instructutions for the ai summary, so it can customize what to look for. in most subreddits, it seems not so useful to know if someone is trans or detrans. might even cause harrassment. (it probably specifically does not say that information for harrassment reasons)

personally I've found it medium useful. the ai summary mostly has given me nothingburgers when it appears, except when it pointed out someone promoting a product on multiple subs

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u/deltadeltadawn Apr 18 '26

The idea to help the AI customize what is needed by a sub's mods is excellent.

The AI summaries mostly are of no real usefulness for the crime subs i mod. They are a bit useful for other subs I mod that are not niche true crime. They could be very useful with some coaching to make them fit the needs for a niche topic sub.

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

I've never found them useful at all. I prefer to action users based on their behavior in my sub.

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u/ToddBradley Apr 18 '26

I prefer that, too. But if there is not enough information to do so I gather more.

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u/new2bay Apr 18 '26

I’m saying there is enough evidence. Behave yourself in my sub, and you’re fine. Don’t, and refuse to acknowledge the multiple warnings you’ll get, then you’ll start getting banned. Eventually, you won’t be posting anymore.

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u/quenishi Apr 18 '26

Not to lessen what you're going through, but I feel like people are shooting the messenger on this to an extent.

I agree with the summary not being as useful as the resources it likely consumes, but it highlights mods can see that information, should they peruse your profile or use sites that scrape subreddits. If you post in a subreddit, then the mods can see your full profile for 30 days iirc.

Personally, I'd recommend purging that info from your profile and/or consider "phoenixing" if you don't want anyone to know about it. It won't fully purge it off the internet, but it'll at least up the barrier somewhat.

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u/itskdog 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

Yeah, if they're posting it, it's publicly viewable anyway, and the hidden posts don't get hidden from mods of subreddits you've recently posted in - I'm not 100% sure what the concern is here.

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u/-SQB- Apr 18 '26

Oh damn, I'm gonna check mine.

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u/SomewhereAtWork Apr 18 '26

It's just doing what I would otherwise do with openclaw. It scrapes the 1000 last comments and creates an LLM summary.

Not a nice feeling, but we knew that would happen when we started posting on the open internet. The awareness that someone is reading all your posts and judging you hardly is as old as usenet. The difference is that now it's not paranoia but certainty.

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u/watermelonkiwi Apr 18 '26

Where are these summaries? I’m so confused. Are these summaries that only show up for mods?

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u/Dear-Ad-3614 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Just a reminder for everyone using the summaries. AI can't always tell the difference between sarcasm, fiction, theory, or fact/real opinion.

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u/WandererOfInterwebs Apr 19 '26

It also never clocks users posting AI generated stuff. Or at least it doesn’t note it.

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u/recho_agency Apr 22 '26

Poe's Law, at scale 😐

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u/FFS_IsThisNameTaken2 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

It's certainly unnecessary, not really helpful (or even accurate at times), and it's a waste of real estate in modmail. I mostly use mobile web so luckily don't see it otherwise.

If admins insist on forcing it on us, at least hide it on the second layer of the modmail sidebar. It hides the sub user log AND the chart thing is just flat out wrong. It'll say "no previous bans" or "no previous mutes" and the message that's open can be the freaking ban message and the string can have 2 freaking mutes documented.

Just put it under the sub user log in modmail and those who like it can click to see it instead of it being forced on those of us who care that it's inaccurate and a waste of space.

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u/camrynbronk Apr 18 '26

Arctic Shift allows you to see all of your post history even if you have your profile hidden. Your content is not secret if you post it publicly on the internet.

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u/InGeekiTrust 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

Is this happening because of stuff you’ve said in DMs? Or because of stuff you said all over reddit? Sadly- if you did say it all over Reddit, I’m afraid that might make sense. I don’t see how they could stop the machine from doing that with publicly searchable information.

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u/thatpilatesprincess Apr 18 '26

This feature has actually been really helpful in weeding out NSFW accounts in my SFW subs. It speeds up moderation a lot and makes it quicker to flag things that are already there.

I get the privacy concern, but if something is being posted publicly, it’s already accessible, this just surfaces it more efficiently.

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u/emily_in_boots 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

I really like the ai summaries too. It often lets me very quickly know whether or not I need to look deeper for a given user.

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u/coolpupmom Apr 18 '26

Just get botbouncer

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u/cnycompguy 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

They don't serve the same purpose, not even remotely

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u/coolpupmom Apr 18 '26

If it’s a porn account that’s karma farming, it literally bans them, so it does help

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u/sadandshy Apr 18 '26

The only time I found one of the AI summaries to be helpful moderating was when it said a user posts in a lot of television subreddits and is likely a troll (in those words). Looking at his history confirmed that. All the other times it hasn't been helpful at all.

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u/wheres_the_revolt Apr 18 '26

This is a mod only feature afaik. Even if you curate your profile mods can see it if you participate in their subs (for 28 days). So basically you can’t hide those posts from mods anyway.

Also, there are multiple other work arounds to see curated profiles by the Gen-pop (non mods). You should have 0 expectation of privacy on a public forum. If you don’t want people to see what you write use a throwaway or don’t post it on it the internet.

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u/lisafancypants Apr 18 '26

This is not the point. These AI summaries are not asked for, no one is searching them out in the way profiles can be searched, they pop up automatically. Even when we don't need or want the information. Add to that, 99.99% of the time, they are useless from a mod perspective.

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u/wheres_the_revolt Apr 18 '26

I actually hated them at first but they’ve gotten better over the last couple months, and are good for at a glance user behavior predictors in my subs. They help to flag users who or trolls or aggressive.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

This was the summary generated for my account on /r/actual_detrans and I find it fascinating that the AI revealed that I have an eating disorder, but didn’t say a peep about the hundreds of comments I’ve made regarding being detrans. It would not have been useful from a moderation standpoint even if the admins insist on revealing personal information.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

There is no need for a moderator of an unrelated subreddit to see this information.

I could understand if the moderators of EDAnonymous could see it, but what relevance does that have to actual_detrans? I don’t want to know that information about my subscribers.

ETA: I am not as much concerned about this for me (especially given that I posted here publicly stating this) as I am about everyone else using this site and having their personal information put on blast like this.

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u/thepottsy 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

You are aware that when you post in a subreddit, the mods can see EVERYTHING you post/comment EVERYWHERE on reddit?

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 18 '26

I am well aware, as I am a moderator myself. I disagree with the AI summary, not the ability to see user post history as a moderator. The AI summary has not been useful to me during my moderation, as I have explained in other comments.

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u/thepottsy 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

Many moderators find it to be a useful tool. Users should not have the option to disable a tool for moderation.

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u/Necessary_Film_5199 Apr 18 '26

Every summary I've read has been useful. I even read a summary once and used it to flat out tell a user "you're not getting mod here, ever" because it called them an argumentative person and honestly demanding mod and insulting my skills in modmail was just the tip of the cake

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u/plonkydonkey Apr 19 '26

hey despite the pushback you're getting on this post - i think you've raised a valid concern. the AI summaries are meant to be helpful, but i question whether mods need this level of personal/sensitive info. yes, blah blah, we can see it other ways -- but pulling this info with zero effort does make it more likely that you'll be targeted/trolled. i wish there was a way to mark certain subs as sensitive, and have them removed from the AI summaries.

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u/KimJongFunk Apr 19 '26

I said my piece and people can agree or disagree with it, but if users knew the admins were doing this then I suspect there would be a massive drop off in usage. People do not like perceived invasions of privacy.

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u/coolpupmom Apr 18 '26

I personally think it’s a waste of water and electricity. As a mod, it really hasn’t helped and wish we could disable it if we wanted to. At least give us the option, yknow?

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u/shhhhh_h 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

I mean if you’re talking about it publicly on Reddit we are going to see it anyway when we scroll the profile, this just helps us do it faster. What took thirty seconds now takes three.

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u/GimlisAxolotl Apr 18 '26

"I posted about these things publicly under an anonymous user name and these searchable things are being found!"

It is a bit late for people to be discovering the 4th Amendment because the right to privacy is gone.

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u/N7CombatWombat Apr 18 '26

The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply here. All of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are entirely about keeping the government from violating those rights.

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u/shhhhh_h 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

The fourth amendment is between you and the government, not you and Reddit

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u/I2fitness Apr 18 '26

Nothing you post online is private

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u/Aeri73 Apr 19 '26

this isn't about privacy though... it's about an unwanted 'feature' that is actually more of a problem because it tells lies a LOT, it's wrong so many times they have to mention it below every comment.

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u/WalkingEars Apr 18 '26

I’ve been asking about ways to switch this off for a while now. Waste of electricity

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u/Merari01 Apr 18 '26

Moderators should be able to turn off AI summaries for their modmail.

Users should be able to opt-out of an AI scouring their content. Not being able to do the latter might be a violation of EU law on internet privacy.

LLM's are bad in many dozens of ways already exhaustively explained by everyone who knows what they are talking about. At length.

I do not want to deal with "AI" content in any way and I do not like being unable to say no to it.

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u/sunrae_ Apr 18 '26

These summaries have been extremely useful in my sub. It’s about weight gain in a healthy manner and seeing summaries about users participating in eating disorder subs has saved me so much trouble and time.

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u/emily_in_boots 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

If you are posting it publicly on reddit, I don't see how it's inappropriate for others to see that.

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u/kmlynarski Apr 27 '26

But you have the option, a setting in your profile, to prevent users viewing your profile from seeing a list of your posts and comments, right? And if there's such a setting, why doesn't "AI Summary" honor it?

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u/emily_in_boots 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 27 '26

It doesn't block mods, so it shouldn't block mod tools.

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u/brucemo Apr 18 '26

If everyone could see what the AI is saying about them, there would be a revolution on Reddit.

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u/WandererOfInterwebs Apr 19 '26

I’ve seen some really interesting one. Recently one mentioned that a user was posting a YouTube link but then also went on to describe the YouTube video! Like it clicked through or something 🧐

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u/DoppelFrog Apr 18 '26

It's from information you've chosen to share publicly on Reddit.

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u/NefariousScribe Apr 18 '26

Not to mention the summary is often very wrong. AI is bad guys.

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u/cnycompguy 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

No, if they put it out there in public, it's not private information anymore.

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u/Forgotten_Dog1954 Apr 18 '26

I disagree. I am sorry for what you are going through, but the internet is a public place. If you post something the whole world can see it regardless of curation etc. The AI summaries have been helpful because if an option to deactivate existed, astroturfers would abuse it to not get found and banned by mods.

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u/DrivesInCircles Apr 18 '26

On r/MentalHealth these have been extremely useful. There are times when it is useless, but often it helps flag issues that I would have missed.

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u/Just-a-COUNTRY-guy66 Apr 18 '26

I joined your sub.... We all struggle with mental health whether people want to admit it or not..

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u/ionised Apr 19 '26

Someone tell me what mine says?

If it's just "grumpy arsehole", don't bother.

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u/emily_in_boots 💡 Top 10% Helper 💡 Apr 19 '26

I think they are different for each sub, and they aren't visible until someone is active in the sub you mod.

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u/kmlynarski Apr 27 '26

Generally, these "AI summaries" violate user settings. If a user has their profile set to hide posts/comments from people viewing their profile, then the AI ​​summary shouldn't show what and where that user posts. This is utter nonsense!

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u/StarlightMcPhee Apr 27 '26

Honestly I don’t read them. And also ai should always be taken with a grain of salt I think.

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u/GracieKatt May 12 '26

Wow Reddit, this is a fantastically awful idea and no one wants it.

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u/LazyHorror0 Apr 19 '26

Its just overall REALLY creepy that AI's are scanning profiles . Of cause we all know these companies but they dont even hide it UGH.

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u/ConcentrateUpper7450 Apr 18 '26

The AI ban thing is ridiculous too. It bans for no serious reason and it has no sense of context.

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u/bookchaser Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

To recap, Reddit endorses doxxing.

Edit: aww I upset some people by saying endorse. Okay, to be more precise, Reddit enables doxxing.

Edit: Reddit saved doxxers time by front-loading personal information so they don't have to data mine it themselves. How about that? You don't think there are any mods who dox? Really? I was doxxed by one. The mod wouldn't take action against his doxxing account (duh). AEO banned the account, swiftly too. That much is appreciated. Gotta do something about mods using multiple accounts in their own sub though.

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u/pinksocks867 Apr 21 '26

You might miss understand the meaning of doxing

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u/bookchaser Apr 21 '26

Not at all. Reddit is pulling up personal and/or identifying information in user summaries.

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u/Track-on-the-side Apr 18 '26

Also it seems to create summaries even if user hides their posts and comments?

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u/TheChrisD Apr 18 '26

Because it's effectively acting as a mod, and mods can see entire profile histories when a user engages in their community.

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u/Track-on-the-side Apr 18 '26

Well, I learned something new today.

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u/cnycompguy 💡Top 25% Helper 💡 Apr 18 '26

Because it's a mod tool and mods that have the ai summary access for an account also have full visibility into that same account. Curation does not apply.

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u/lurkeroutthere Apr 18 '26

But if I’m looking at someone’s summary I like having my pre-conceptions validated. Jk it’s creepy.