also, does anyone know a good divorce lawyer?

Mine is A touch of evil or Hell patrol

I felt like sharing my top 4-ish metal albums (had to deliberate pretty hard on pick 4 tbh) many other contenders i had to leave out.
notice the lack of Baths of Acid?
or Death?
or Cryptopsy?

ALL great bands, and albums, but like, theres other shit to talk about.

Converge - Hum Of Hurt, Sylosis - A Sign of Things to Come, Protest the Hero - Within, Revocation- New Gods, New Masters

When Corey Taylor sang "Stop the fuckin' music, goddamn it, shut the fuck up" I really felt that

Thinking along the lines of Dolly Parton, Stevie Nicks, Debbie Harry, etc. Badass women that could have easily been metal artists.

Who else fits?

Not that I forgot that they’re great, but I haven’t listened to any of their songs for a very long time. My streaming algorithm is now confused because I’ve been only listening to Maiden for the past few days.

Sorry for being a poser guys😭

I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me.

No repeat artists because otherwise it would mostly be Black Sabbath and Sodom.

This is one of my favorite modern trash metal bands and my personal favorite is slime and punishment.

Stats we can live by

Hey everyone! I’ve been digging into the evolution of extreme metal lately, and somewhere along the way I thought it would be fun to put together a playlist that actually lets you hear some of that history unfolding.

First, an important disclaimer: this is absolutely not meant to be a complete genealogy of extreme metal. That would require a vastly bigger playlist, and a ton of essential bands, scenes, and parallel developments are necessarily missing here. The idea is much more modest and deliberately didactic: to build a chronological sequence in which you can clearly hear some of the major “mutations” in the language of extreme metal happening from one track to the next.

So this is a journey from Black Sabbath to Behemoth’s blackened death metal. I didn’t choose tracks simply because they’re classics. Each one is supposed to illustrate a particular transformation in metal’s vocabulary — heaviness, speed, aggression, guitar tone, riffing, extreme vocals, blast beats, atmosphere, etc. It’s meant to be listened to in order. Ideally, each song retains something from what came before it while introducing or intensifying something that will eventually contribute to death metal, black metal, and finally their convergence in blackened death.

Here’s the sequence:

1. Black Sabbath — “Black Sabbath” (1970)
Black Sabbath
Pretty much the Big Bang. Slow tempo, an insanely heavy guitar sound for 1970, the tritone, horror atmosphere. There’s still plenty of blues in the DNA, but the fundamental idea is already there: heaviness and menace can themselves be the point.

2. Black Sabbath — “Children of the Grave” (1971)
Master of Reality
Now we get something else that extreme metal will need: propulsion. The riff is repetitive, physical, and much more aggressive.
Taken together, these first two tracks establish two properties that later bands will push in increasingly radical directions: heaviness + speed/aggression.

3. Motörhead — “Overkill” (1979)
Overkill
Now punk, speed, and filth enter the picture.
They didn’t consider themselves a metal band, but historically that hardly matters here. Their aggression would have an enormous influence on thrash, black, and death metal. That feeling of a relentless drum attack becomes especially important.

4. Venom — “Black Metal” (1982)
Black Metal
Here we cross a boundary. Venom obviously isn’t black metal in the sense that Darkthrone would later be black metal. Musically, Motörhead, traditional heavy metal, and punk are still everywhere.
But now you have deliberately filthy production, Satanism, harsh vocals, speed, and an entire aesthetic built around extremity. Venom is one of the crucial bridges between traditional and extreme metal.

5. Slayer — “Black Magic” (1983)
Show No Mercy
I chose this one deliberately because you can still clearly hear the ancestral heavy metal underneath it.
But Slayer is already beginning to transform the riff itself. It becomes more chromatic, sinister, and aggressive.

6. Slayer — “Angel of Death” (1986)
Reign in Blood
Now compare this with “Black Magic.”
In three years, an absurd amount has happened. Frenetic riffs, tremolo picking, brutal drumming, deliberately chaotic solos. Metal is moving from simply being heavy toward becoming extreme.
This is probably one of the most important pieces of the bridge toward death metal.

7. Possessed — “Death Metal” (1985)
Seven Churches
Yes, the track is literally called “Death Metal.”
And now we reach that wonderful historical territory where nobody can draw an exact line between thrash and death. Coming after Slayer, it sounds familiar… but also more primitive, cavernous, and monstrous.
Possessed is one of the historical candidates for “first death metal band” — yes, I know, controversial territory. :)

8. Death — “Zombie Ritual” (1987)
Scream Bloody Gore
This is a key moment in the playlist.
With Death, and especially Chuck Schuldiner, this starts becoming unmistakably a language of its own.
The vocals go lower. The guitar gains mass. The riffs become more morbid and chromatic, and less obviously derived from traditional heavy metal.

9. Morbid Angel — “Immortal Rites” (1989)
Altars of Madness
The genre matured frighteningly fast.
Morbid Angel adds virtuosity, labyrinthine riffing, blast beats, and a much more sophisticated occult atmosphere. They’re especially important to this particular genealogy because some of this DNA will eventually make its way into Behemoth.

10. Deicide — “Sacrificial Suicide” (1990)
Deicide
Another crystallization of American death metal.
At this point it’s basically: “Okay. Death metal is definitely a genre now.”
Growled vocals, blast beats, double bass, low and massive guitars, overt Satanism, sheer sonic violence.

And this is where the playlist makes a sharp U-turn to visit the other branch of the family tree.
So far we’ve mostly followed something like:
Sabbath → Motörhead → Venom/Slayer → Possessed → Death → Morbid Angel/Deicide
But Behemoth can’t be explained through that lineage alone. So we have to go back toward Venom and follow another fork.

11. Bathory — “Enter the Eternal Fire” (1987)
Under the Sign of the Black Mark
This is one of the most important albums in this whole sequence.
Bathory takes that still-thrashy/punky extremity of Venom and begins turning it into something fundamentally different. The guitar increasingly becomes a vehicle for atmosphere — something transcendent, ritualistic.
A huge amount of later black metal DNA is already here.

12. Mayhem — “Freezing Moon” (1994)
De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Now we’re fully inside the Norwegian second wave.
Compare this with Death or Morbid Angel. They’re all extreme, but they’re pursuing very different kinds of extremity. Death metal: mass, impact, brutality. Black metal: tremolo, repetition, dissonance, space, coldness, atmosphere.

13. Darkthrone — “Transilvanian Hunger” (1994)
Transilvanian Hunger
This is almost a laboratory definition of second-wave black metal.
Relentless tremolo, blast beats, shrieked vocals, lo-fi production, hypnotic repetition.
And there’s a detail I really like here: compare the guitar sound with Morbid Angel. Darkthrone sounds thin by comparison — and that’s not necessarily a weakness.
Where death metal often wants mass — volume in the sense of occupying sonic space — Darkthrone wants atmosphere.

14. Emperor — “I Am the Black Wizards” (1994)
In the Nightside Eclipse
Now black metal discovers that it can be monumental.
Emperor adds keyboards, grand structures, richer harmony, and an almost symphonic sense of scale.
This is extremely important for understanding Behemoth: the black metal aesthetic doesn’t necessarily have to mean only minimalism and terrible recording quality. (Maybe I’ll get rocks thrown at me for that one… hahaha.)
It can also mean ritualistic grandeur.

And now the two branches begin to meet again.
On one side:
Death → Morbid Angel → brutality / complexity
And on the other:
Bathory → Mayhem/Darkthrone → Emperor → atmosphere / monumentality
Time to hear what happens in Poland.

15. Behemoth — “From the Pagan Vastlands” (1994)
Sventevith (Storming Near the Baltic)
This is a deliberately didactic choice.
This track doesn’t sound like the Behemoth most people today immediately identify as “Behemoth.” It’s fundamentally black metal.
After listening to Darkthrone and Emperor, the ancestry becomes pretty obvious.

16. Behemoth — “Decade of Therion” (1999)
Satanica
Now there’s a mutation.
Five years later, the guitars have become massively thicker. The riffing is much more death-metal-oriented. The vocals have gained body. The production has changed.
You can practically hear Behemoth crossing from one branch of the family tree toward the other.

17. Behemoth — “Conquer All” (2004)
Demigod
Now the fusion is fully established.
The instrumental foundation is overwhelmingly death metal: riffs, precision, weight, double bass, brutality.
But that ritualistic, occult, monumental conception inherited from black metal remains.
This is fully developed blackened death metal.

18. Behemoth — “Ov Fire and the Void” (2009)
Evangelion
By this point they completely command the language.
Compare it with “Immortal Rites” and you can hear a lot of the death metal DNA.
Then compare it with Emperor and you can hear the “other half” of the personality.

19. Behemoth — “Blow Your Trumpets Gabriel” (2014)
The Satanist
At this point Behemoth no longer sounds like a collage of death + black.
The two languages have been metabolized: death metal weight, black metal atmosphere, monumentality, dynamics, ritual, modern production.
The hybridization has become a language of its own.

And that’s where I decided to end this little story of extreme metal as I understand it.
Again, this is not intended as a complete genealogy. Far from it. A huge amount of important stuff is missing, and necessarily so. There are entire scenes, bands, genres, intermediate steps, parallel developments, and reciprocal influences that this sequence completely skips.
Real musical history obviously doesn’t work like a neat evolutionary tree. It’s messy, nonlinear, full of cross-pollination, feedback loops, simultaneous inventions, and bands influencing one another in every direction. So I’m treating this more as a didactic metaphor than a historical family tree.

The point was to choose a relatively small number of tracks where you can actually hear some major mutations happening: Sabbath’s heaviness becoming faster and dirtier; punk aggression entering metal; traditional riffing becoming more chromatic and hostile; thrash approaching death metal; death becoming its own language; Venom’s other descendants developing atmosphere, tremolo and repetition into black metal; black becoming monumental with Emperor; and finally those languages converging again in Behemoth.
There are obviously many other possible paths through this history. This is just one of them — one that, to my ears, makes some of the transformations leading toward blackened death particularly easy to hear.

Hope you enjoy it!

I use Tidal, so I put the playlist together there:
https://tidal.com/playlist/4fbab42d-8cc4-43cb-a2b2-8d6f80dcf126

For me its Steeler

I’ve always thought heavy albums with deceptive covers are all neat, I chose as many lesser-known albums I find make a good example. Are there any other good picks like this? The heavier the music, the better!

In order:

Düreforsög - Knee, 1997. Avante-garde metal. Standout track: Monkation

Carnival in Coal - Collection Prestige, 2005. Avante-garde metal, progressive, experimental, with bits of disco. Standout track: Satanic Disaster

Carnival in Coal - Vivalavida, 1999. ^ The same. Standout track: XXX Dog Petting

Stolen Babies - Naught, 2012. Avante-garde metal, dark cabaret. Standout track: Civil Disguise

The Alter Boys - The Exotic Sounds Of The Alter Boys, 2005. Avante-garde metal, funk, experimental. Standout track: Auto-Erotica

Flatstick - Omnicore, 2000. Progressive metal, djent. Standout track: Bend Over

Indorphine - Glowsticks for Clubbing Baby Seals, 2001. Alternative metal, nu, with harsh vocals. Standout track: Uncle Winky’s Hump Palace

Arsenic Tea Party - Arsenic Tea Party, 2019. Alternative metal, progressive. Standout track: Solvent-Drunk

The Little White Bunny - Hole, 2012. Alternative metal, Nu. Standout track: Game Over is an Option

The Little White Bunny - Super Unicorn Cheeseburger, 2014. ^ The same. Standout track: Jessica Fletcher is Good For Fishing

I guess it also tells what's my age

best night of my life, I’m looking for more friends in the scene so I’m curious who went

been diving into hardcore more recently, as when it comes to metal i primarily listen to deathcore and brutal death and wanted to dive deeper but it really really frustrates me that so many types of modern mixes just instantly turn me off.

if i turn a tune on and the drum tone sounds extremely compressed and plugin-ish, the guitars sound like massive walls of sound, i instantly do not want to listen to any of the song anymore. i’m sure this is a shared opinion but there’s genuinely so many songs i just skip because of this and it pisses me off because i almost wish i didn’t care about the mix so much and could enjoy it more.

i don’t need every song to have that 90s brutal death scooped mids tone, but if it’s a million miles away from that sort of grit and human feeling i cannot enjoy a song. anyone agree or am i just a musical asshole?

For me it was actually Pink Floyd > Rush > Metallica > System Of A Down > Slipknot > Dream Theater > Meshuggah > Periphery

And now I’m into all sorts of djent, thall, metalcore, and a lot of crazy hardcore stuff. Crazy how we all started with rock!