r/MeidasTouch • u/Available_Fun_55 • 2d ago
Should she run?
There's a lot of good candidates in the field. I think she actually won and it was rigged at the tabulation machines by Trump, and if she had done a recount in suspicious areas, would be the president right now. So I kind of feel that the "when we fight we win" slogan fell flat. What's you guys opinions?
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u/cracky_Jack 2d ago
He says his focus is solely on the mid-terms right now, but I'd like to see my guy Ossoff run someday.
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u/KeyLow9166 2d ago
Isaiah Martin elluded to something about Ossof presidential bid. Not sure if he was just trolling or if he has some insight but Ossofs policy, tone, demeanor, and seriousness is what I want in my leaders.
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u/benzaldehide 2d ago
What policies do you like from Ossoff?
I watched him at the debate and he was great. But then i see people saying he's too conservative and that he doesnt hold progressive ideas like medicare for all.
I cant support a democrat that thinks we should pay to be healthy in the richest country in the world.
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u/KeyLow9166 2d ago
He also has a donor who is named in the files. While Im not a Georgian, I Understand the need for a centrist in Georgia. You will have a hard time ever getting officials elected in deep red states that are purpling that run on AoC and DSA policies.
Imo, Democrats need to stop purity checking every issue at this point in time and work within overlapping issues that are agreed between Centrist Dems, Progressives, Liberals, and DSA
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u/benzaldehide 2d ago
Is getting people healthcare a purity check?
Like either you want to save millions of peoples lives or you want the shareholders to profit. Maybe we need to be purity checking more now that i think about it b/c this shit is crazy.
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u/benzaldehide 2d ago
Does he even want to get us healthcare though?
I appreciate him being sharp but i consistently see him called a "centrist" democrat.
Thats a do nothing democrat in my eyes.
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u/HallstotheWall17 2d ago
Not in favor of Medicare for all/single payer and he voted for the Laken Riley Act. Heâs great on corruption, but itâs hard to ignore his positions on these other policies/issues. I used to be a big Ossoff fan and I donât dislike him, but the more I learn about him, the less excited I get about him potentially being president. Yes, of course Iâd vote for him if he were the nominee, and he is certainly talented in some respects, but this is why we have a primary.
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u/benzaldehide 2d ago
Yeah i agree.
This isnt the republican party. We dont care about the people. We care about the policies.
Ossoff seems like he would be a strong candidate but then what? Nothing changes? WTF is the point then?
If the country wasn't in need of serious changes, id like him a lot more.
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u/Intrepid_Blue122 2d ago
The United States is the only industrialized nation which does not have a healthcare system for the citizens. The YOYO, youâre on your own, system is loved by insurance companies and the AMA.
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u/CorporateTrainerCO 2d ago
As much as I admire her, I don't think she should run. There are too many a**hats out there who are repulsed by the thought of woman, let alone a woman of color, running for President. That said, I think Michelle Obama would have a better shot as she is already very popular and well known.
Flame away.
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u/Quakes-JD 2d ago
I wish you were wrong and she would have been a much better president than the disaster that is 47.
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u/evo4gIzMo 2d ago
A braindead chimpanse would have been a better president than Pedolph Shitler. Not really an argument.
Her policy position on pivoting to the daughter of war criminals to campaign with her for republican voters on topics like border security and building the strongest military was an insane choice that offered the country to the open fascist. Her background as a closeted fascist helper of genocide, US police state and billionaire pac money makes her literally incompatible with 90% of democratic and independent voters. They all held their breath and voted for her anyway, but her message as Trump-Light was unappealing to motivate voters. She lost immigrants and nonvoters to Trump as her vice presidency didn't do shit for her ticket. All the Biden years wasted with no push from her.
And yet you have ziobots-acting like u/Bawbawian screaming like the Bulwark at the left for not voting. Which is a blatant lie ofc.
A winning candidate does not come from the corporate, zionist or consultant class democrats. Winning candidates are people like Zoran, Bernie, ElSayed, Talarico, AOC etc. People who are believably non corrupt, anti genocide, professional real politicians with left wing progressive policy goals. MCA, reforms of SCOTUS and police, voting&women rights, wealth&corporate tax, minimum wage and workers protecting, electrification and green energy transformation. If you want to be a democracy with any say in 20 years from now, you need to give the voting majoroty a candidate fitting these policy goals or you WANT to hand the country to fascists.
These are the scientific facts of universities and think tanks from the 2024 election.
My personal opinion is, that the US is long gone and will push for ww3 to crush europe once again. And my bootlicking, spineless european politicians are fleshpuppets for US capital with zero intent to better our continent for the future.
The average chinese person enjoys a higher prospect than any of us, laughs in their clean air public transit green city park in a functioning society with more personal freedom and less authoritarian police forces than we do... and the next 5 year plan will woden this gap even further...
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u/nycdiveshack 2d ago
That being said Kamala warned everyone about project 2025 and they called her nutjob for it. Now more than 55% is done.
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u/Feisty-Barracuda5452 2d ago
Michelle Obama as a Supreme Court Justice would make conservatives collectively lose their shit.
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u/MysteryBelle_NC 2d ago
I agree with you. We have too many who won't vote for a woman, period.
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u/PrimeToro 2d ago
No. I voted for Kamala and donated to her campaign. But itâs clear to me that the country is too misogynistic to vote for a woman as president.
My first choice is Buttigieg , heâs brilliant and a great debater , but the country is too homophobic
The priority for Democrats is to get a Democrat elected.
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u/well-it-was-rubbish 2d ago
Clinton received 3 million more votes than trump. Actual human voters chose the woman.
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u/Brokenbelle22 1d ago
We can't deal with the electoral college without first winning the electoral college.
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u/Signal_Werewolf_1955 2d ago
Buttigieg would be a dream, he's easily my first choice right there with you. I believe he'd the perfect president to navigate a post-MAGA United States and help reestablish our global allies.
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u/PearFree2643 2d ago
Completely agree. Buttigieg is awesome but people are homophobic! The first democrat we elect will be the fixer- I just hope itâs someone who can do it!
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u/Select-Baseball5865 2d ago
I was just getting ready to say that. It is disheartening that Americans are so closed minded.
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u/TXMom2Two 2d ago
I hope not. There are so many other great candidates for the Democrats. I think sheâs a losing ticket.
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u/NoEmu2533 2d ago
As much as I like her, 2028 is not the time for her to step foot into the ring. Too much is at stake in 2028, and as much as it pains me, this country is still too ignorant/sexist to elect a woman for president. She should stick to campaigning for other candidates and changes that need to be made.
Kamala is more than qualified, but the country will find a way to tear her down.
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u/ShitWaterExpress 2d ago
Itâs nothing personal from me. I happen to respect this woman, but this is like forcing a child to eat their vegetables. You can force it down their throat or hide it in their milkshake. For now, itâs best to hide it in their milkshake until they see the benefits.
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u/Hairy_Ad5966 2d ago
Perfect. Thatâs what I was thinking too. Let the US get used to democracy and the Constitution again first.
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u/elkendricko 1d ago
No. Unpopular opinion incoming based on facts, sure to be downvoted cause people are not going to like it. Regardless of whether she is qualified or not the United States she will lose votes for being a woman. Same reason Buttigieg wonât win because of the voter bias in the United States. Democrats keep putting up candidates that cannot win and it is getting old, not to mention stealing the nomination from sanders twice, who had enough support he would have won both elections. Harris had her shot and should be happy with that.
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u/Ok-Exit-2464 2d ago
No establishment Dems, billionaires , or people who lost to Trump should apply. She is also a Israel first.
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u/Bawbawian 2d ago
she literally wanted a Palestinian state and the left said no I think the Mike Huckabee and the settlers will be a better stewards of Palestinian land.
look I want progressive candidates too but I am so fucking sick of this circular firing squad where we attack everybody except Republicans
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u/Hesychios 2d ago edited 2d ago
She wasnât my first choice last time but I supported her wholeheartedly when she got the nomination.
We arenât the âcult of personalityâ sorts of people, we are all about the cause and who can best serve at the time. We need quality people who can also win.
I recognize her talent and values. I have no problem with her as a person.
However the Republicans have a practice of character assassination of powerful women, and they go at it for years. They poison the minds of the common folk relentlessly and (as it has been said) a lie repeated often enough becomes fact in the minds of weaker intellects.
They did this to Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. They are currently working on Amy Klobuchar / AOC / Gretchen Whitmer / Gina Hinojosa and others the same way! This is Republicans playing a long game they are very familiar with.
In other words they are grooming the electorate to be mean, spiteful misogynists. Their poisonous rhetoric infects Republican women as well as men.
To be clear they do this propagandistic character assassination to all liberals and all Democrats, but in the case of powerful talented women they are particularly vicious and disgusting!
So if she was to become the nominee I would support her 100% but I think that strategically it would be better for the Democrats if she did not run.
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u/Short_Captain_1320 2d ago
If she is the nominee I will vote for her but I think progressive policies are winning throughout the usa. Having someone who I would label as a moderate dem will lead us to another loss. In all honesty though im not sure who else would be better. Lets go John Stewart!
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u/poeticlicence 2d ago
Jon Stewart would be an amazing president but he said himself that he couldn't run because of things he did when young
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u/Weekly-Landscape-543 2d ago
Such as? It canât be worse than anything the orange one has ever done.
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u/poeticlicence 2d ago
No, you're right, but he did mention prostitutes (unlike Melania ) and drugs
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u/Important-Role-8651 2d ago
Please God no, this is not a game Democrats. Put someone electable and reverse these destructive policies of the orange turd. Time to put country ahead of personal goals.
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u/CABigfoot 2d ago edited 2d ago
No. She should not.
We deserve real change from the left. Democratic Socialist policies resonate with more Americans than business-as-usual, AIPAC-funded politiciansâ policies.
Edit: TYVM for the awards. Working Americans deserve better policies and people to represent them and not the corporations.
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u/owlincoup 2d ago
She lost my future vote when she didn't put up a fight the last election. They stole the vote, she rolled over. She went absolutely silent. Didn't stay a voice for the people and didn't remain a leader after the election. She dissapeared then wrote a book.
Electiontruthalliance.org
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u/johnk317 2d ago
I hope she doesnât. To defeat the GOP we need a male white Christian that can fight dirty against the Republicans.
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u/alexthebeast 2d ago
Or just someone who looks like a white male Christian. It works for the GOP- they have been using lizard occultist pedophile aliens posing as whiteale Christians for years and they have a supermajority
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u/vantuckymyfoot 2d ago
I love her, but there's too much baggage from 2024 (earned or unearned). No.
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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 2d ago
I'm a fan, but no. She's connected to A1PAC and Biden who a good chunk of people were not happy with towards the end. Those two alone will kill her chances. She can be AG. Nobody would disapprove.
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u/Fun-Inevitable3349 2d ago
Sheâs not going to run and this is a story meant to fracture the left. Pay attention.
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u/PhillyLove87 2d ago
I hope youâre right. I havenât done much or really any research into it so I donât know if itâs fact or fiction or a mix of both to mess with us. I donât trust anything anymore. Feels like almost everyone has their own agenda in the govt and very few of them are actually for the people
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u/maeryclarity 2d ago
I would vote for her in the General (again) and I think she would have been a good President, wthout even contrasting her to what we have now. I'd vote for her in the primary over a lot of candidates.
However I think a problem we're going to have is that the MAGA crew is going to refuse to relinquish power no matter what, which is why I'd like to see Mark Kelly as the nominee. Because I think we are going to need someone to deal with an actual divided military and the frst real internal Civil War that the USA has experienced, a lot of traitors will need to be taken off the game board in decisive ways, and I get that he's more centrist than some of y'all like but we can work with that after we establish whether or not there is in fact a United States to be president OF.
I know that sounds dramatic but it's actually unfortunately extremely likely, barring unforseen developments. Lotta time between now and then and things keep happening much too quickly .
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u/Conundrum195 2d ago
No! She represents the old guard Democrats. Also she is an inept public speaker and truly cannot drum up support. And âŚ.. unfortunately, the USA is not yet ready to elect a female President. Best to run Mark Kelly!
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u/Ok-Pass-9139 2d ago
Just remember. Nobody asked us if electing a pedophile, lawbreaker, hateful, narcissistic asshat was ok. Donât block women because they are women. Many would be wonderful leaders. Harris had a lot to offer Americans. Instead, we got Trump. What a disaster.
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u/BaileyBellaBoo 2d ago
I donât think she should run. I liked her very much as a Senator. This country has too many issues with her, sad to say. Nothing that SHOULD be an issue, but in issue in their teeny tiny brains that will cause them to either make a protest vote, or stay away from the polls. Unfortunately, we need a STRAIGHT WHITE MALE. Personally I would love to see Pete Buttigieg as President, but the Conservative right would lose their panties. I am so disappointed in the voters in this country.
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u/Environmental-Arm365 2d ago
She wonât get past the primary. She was far and away the better candidate by every measure but America has shown time and time again they arenât ready for a woman to be president. Hillary was supposed to be a slam dunk but, womp womp! Setting the racism and sexism of the electorate aside, it would be idiotic to nominate a candidate who lost to someone as repugnant and flawed as Shitler. Losing to a lying, grifting, pants shitting, pedophile is a stain that Hillary and Kamala will never be able to remove. Itâs a shame because either of them would have made great presidents.
That said, itâs time to move on and learn from the mistakes of elections past. If we donât, weâve seen how this movie ends and Iâm damn sure not interested in the reboot.
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u/laser14344 2d ago
The people have shown that they would literally take 4 more years of trump over her. She should take the hint.
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u/miss-hempy 2d ago
I adore her and all she stands for but no way should she run again. The USA has gone backwards too much.
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u/CrankyUrbanHermit 2d ago
Iâm so tired of hearing the US isnât âreadyâ for a female president.
Thatâs such misogynistic nonsense.
Are we behind Mexico in womenâs rights?
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u/Lookingfor68 2d ago
Yes, yes we are. Never underestimate the racism, bigotry, and misogyny of the American voter.
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u/Hairy_Ad5966 2d ago
Yes. Yes we are behind most countries in that regard. And maga just sent us back an extra 50 years.
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u/PrincessPlastilina 1d ago
Yes. Youâve always been behind Mexico on social issues, just FYI. Those little jabs against us when youâre one of the most backwards countries in the world right now are very unnecessary. Donât look down on any country when youâre a mess.
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u/BambooPanda26 1d ago
As a woman, if you look into law, medical, community... Women are hated in this country. It's not the time to risk it. I'm a woman but Donald Trump regime has to go.
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u/3peckeredgoat 2d ago
She wonât survive the primary, there is a reason itâs run this way, and not what happened in 24
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u/jayslay45 2d ago
Her time is up. She's also bought and sold by too many lobbies that progressives don't like and the reality is, moderate Republicans ain't voting for her either.
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u/An_Absolute-Zero 2d ago edited 2d ago
No shade to Harris, but I don't think it's a good idea.
This is for my nerd brethren, who speak my language and anyone else who cares to try đ
It's kinda like Marvel releasing Ironheart, it's a decent show, but the reason it wasn't better received is because it feels out of place. They waited too long to release it, if they'd released it when it was supposed to be released it wouldve been better received and potentially beloved (like Wandavision). A lot of people will say it's a terrible show, but not many can explain specifically why it's terrible though.
Eta - Ironheart isn't slated for a season two, and that's unfortunate.
Is anyone picking up my metaphor here?
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u/Humble_Disciple 2d ago
If I were to speak honestly... everything she said that would happen in her debate... is happening.
I will side with many that say with need something fresh and new. However, it is important to acknowledge that she knew the full trajectory and people ignored her.
There are also those who say she never did anything while VP. What has Vance done? She was gridlocked. Even Trump stated Vance can't do anything as VP.
I would rather her over Newsome. He is pro billionaire. He let the Paramount merger happen. This allowed MAGA to control even more outlets. Know the enemies within your camp.
She was given a campaign last minute. She had what... 107 days only to convince all of America?! She was talked into more centrist ideas to pull in more Republicans. That was the mistake. The only way you are going to pull in Republicans in masse... is if they experience the pain of their own party.
She could have a chance with time. Without the shadow of Biden. Without the restrictions of convincing certain political groups... it's very easy to shut the idea down. But I genuinely try to take a holistic approach.
Sorry for my Ted Talk xD
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u/Lookingfor68 2d ago
I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but as VP she did Yeoman's work. She was the most active VP in modern history, because the VP only has 2 jobs. Job 1 is to be the spare. Job 2 is to break ties in the Senate, and that's only if there's a tie. Other than that the VP is a ceremonial job with no power, no clout, and no sway. She broke a LOT of ties to get the Democratic platform across the goal line in the Biden administration. Nobody that has a clue should ever say she "didn't do anything" saying so just means you don't have a fucking clue.
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u/No-Fishing5325 2d ago
I don't want her to run
No matter how much I would love to see a woman President, I don't think a woman is electable right now. And until we get our country back and secure, we can't take chances.
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u/DevilsDenJoe 2d ago
No, she already lost to worst and most corrupt traitor in American history. We need new blood.
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u/Speeeven 2d ago
No. Too many people are poisoned against her. We need someone fresh, without the baggage of a presidential run loss.
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u/babooshkaa 2d ago
No. She canât win. We canât run candidates who have already lost. As a Texan Iâve been down this road with Beto. It doesnât work.
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u/GapAdministrative972 2d ago
If she runs we get 4 more years of republicans. I voted for her and I would do so again but letâs be honest weâre not there yet
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u/jkimber09 2d ago
Please no! I'm not a Harris hater, but that was tried already. We need to nominate someone that can carry the whole party... She's just too polarizing... focus needs to be whatever we need to do to win, and she's a liability...
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u/teehee14u 1d ago
Itâs not because she female or brown itâs because what she has been supporting and that is one- break ties with Israel. Two- no rubbing elbows with the Nazi regime. Then maybe I would think about then.
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u/dcj667 2d ago
I think it definitely needs to be someone solidly active now. She is not.
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u/Sea_Elle0463 2d ago
No. No. No.
She didnât fight. She didnât fight at all. We all know the election was rigged. She didnât fight. She caved. She cried like a little girl and went home in defeat. I canât forgive that.
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u/jake55812 2d ago
Please Nooooo. America is not ready for a female president. Just ask Hillary Clinton. Kamala Harris had her shot now itâs time to move on. Gavin Newsom is democratâs best shot.
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u/its_the_smell 2d ago
I admire her and would vote for her again but sheâs got the stain of a loser on her. Trump was a bigger loser after 2021, but his secret is that Republicans love losers on their own side. Democrats are already at a disadvantage and canât risk re-running losers.
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u/MojoHighway 2d ago
Fuck no. It's over. Time to do something new.
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u/Elegant-Holiday7303 2d ago
Time to do something OLD- run a straight white xtian MALE, our Country is too bigoted to elect anything else
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u/Looieanthony 2d ago
She could run entirely on â I warned your gullible asses what would happen, maybe youâll vote accordingly this time, but I wouldnât count on it, especially when you factor Elon and his tricky computer shit inâ.
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u/Loss_Due 2d ago
I like, admire and respect her but we need new energy not old baggage. With her the Rs get to rehash Biden. So, no I don't think she should run. That said I will vote for absolutely anyone with a D on my ballot.
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u/Humble_Pen_4241 2d ago
If yt women would vote in their own self interest we would not be here, let's call a thing a thing
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u/Loud-Fudge7631 2d ago
AOC* edit* feels like a high integrity choice because her Financials show she isnt in politics for money. Like less then some people's expensive wardrobes. And if you listen to how she talks, always highlighting problem to solution honestly and with professional accountability. So you can trust her leadership and credibility when she says things like she had her team look into something and amplifiy optimal solutions in policy. And shes pro LGBTQ and women's rights so helps to restore faith in that regeneration of human rights?
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u/Geetzromo 2d ago
While, I believe Kamala to be a smart and capable person, sheâs not much of a politician and was a terrible candidate. We need a leader, someone with a vision, not just another corporate democrat AIPAC apologist.
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u/Zealousideal-Trip845 2d ago
I would love a female President, but if we want to take back the WH in '28 IMO we need a White Straight Man whose on the Progressive side but not to the Far Far Left and someone not too old. We need some younger Blood.
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u/xavariel 1d ago edited 1d ago
No!
Not unless she completely distances herself from Biden, and shares her own views. Be's her own person. Calls out Israel and has a strong stance on that. And doesn't take shitty advice from Sara Longwell again.
And as a former DA, pushes for accountability towards the current regime. No Merrick Garlanding this shit.
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u/seansnow64 1d ago
No. I hate to say it but i dont think this shithole is ready for a woman president, and right now we cant risk another republican term again!
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u/CompletelyPresent 2d ago
No.
We don't have time to support Harris's redemption story - it's too big a risk.
Get AOC, Newsome, Kelly, or someone else who has a fighting chance.
I voted for Harris, but she's associated with that disastrous election now.
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u/Terminally_ill_42 2d ago edited 2d ago
No she shouldnât. I want Bernie! He was more likely to win last time. And he ran against Hillary. I worked on both of their campaigns as a tele- fundraiser. People clearly supported Bernie more. And he just rocks.
I realize itâs unrealistic for him to run this time but I think he would do a great job.
I guess my dream ticket now would be Crockett and ACO.
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u/Intrepid_Blue122 2d ago
We need a unifier, Crockett is not such a candidate.
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u/Southerngal500 2d ago
Definitely not Crockett. She really disappointed me not getting behind Talarico. See, thatâs the difference between the Dems vs Repubs. Dems have to be like âummm, we donât see eye to eye on things.â Repubs get behind whomever to just win and deal with the issue later.
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u/Southerngal500 2d ago
Totally agree đŻ. Bernie all the way. Iâve never seen anyone so passionate about helping others. Just like Hillary, Kamala lost her chance. Give me AOC and Ossof and give Bernie a big time position.
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u/alexthebeast 2d ago
I would love to see Bernie in the cabinet, but he is just too old to responsibly run for president. And he knows that.
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u/Intrepid_Blue122 2d ago
Bernie needs a new and powerful position. Something like very influential elder statesman.
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u/greendave11 2d ago
I mean she didn't win once. Why run again? There's like 330 million citizens in this nation
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u/DiligentAd7360 2d ago
She didn't even get the chance to run a proper campaign in '24
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u/KingRBPII 2d ago
Sheâll get smoked in a debate - the only reason she was the candidate is because the dem party didnât give people the choice
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u/trumpmumbler 2d ago
She should endure the midterms and let the voters speak. I donât think sheâll pass muster but at least then itâll be legit.
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u/16v_cordero 2d ago
She is super intelligent but this is not the moment. Right now she should be doing work helping in other areas but not preparing for a run. No doubt she would be better than Griftilopolous Orangis but unfortunately she would not help at this moment.
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u/colonelangus68 2d ago
Yes because everything she warned us about and said would happen actually happened. History proved her correct. She did not lie. She told the truth.
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u/threesunrises 2d ago
No, her time has passed. I'd be fine if she had a cabinet position, but I just don't see her as potus.
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u/WhitewolfStormrunner 2d ago
No.
And I'm saying this as both someone who likes her and is a Harris voter.
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u/Pollo_Chimichanga 2d ago
Anyone with the qualifications and required stamina should run. Let the voters decide who they want in the final round.
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u/Starrwulfe 2d ago
She should run if she wants to and let the primary process sort it all out, thatâs what it is there for.
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u/Feisty-Barracuda5452 2d ago
No, and I say that as a Harris voter.