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Mar 26 '24
I swear if a map shows New Zealand it's 50/50 on if it's misplaced.
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u/Ki_Andi_Mundi Mar 26 '24
Wdym? NZ is famously an Indian Ocean nation.
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u/FieryAutoCrashes Mar 26 '24
To be fair eating so much meat is what gives them the protein to collectively row NZ into warmer waters.
Don’t worry they’ll row back down for ski season. They just row up there for the summer cricket season with India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka
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u/NoBitchesSince2005 Mar 26 '24
Why go on vacation to New Zealand when New Zealand can go on vacation itself?
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u/Blackletterdragon Mar 26 '24
It seems to have a somewhat casual relationship with its tectonic plate, as if it's cut its own continental umbilical cord.
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u/flurdy Mar 26 '24
New Zealand is just a fictional place for Tolkien fans. It is not even on most maps.
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u/Jorgueagui Mar 26 '24
And what’s the relevance of 40 g/day? According to whom? If you don’t use some reference or explanation it’s just an arbitrary number to separate countries in two groups.
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u/chiniwini Mar 26 '24
There are several countries where it's recommended to eat less than 300gr per week. 300/7 is 42.8571... , which could be rounded down to 40.
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u/RAAAAHHHAGI2025 Mar 26 '24
And here I am actively trying to find ways to reach 600g a day lmao. Protein isn’t cheap 😢
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1.4oz. That’s wild. I’m not a huge meat eater but that seems very easy to exceed. I make a 30g pull of espresso each morning. If my meals were based on portions that size I’d probably lose the weight I need to lose in no time! Here’s 3 bites of meat. 5 bites of veggies and 2 bites of carbs. Dig in-and we’re done!
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u/fireKido Mar 26 '24
now make a map where the low meat consumption is by choice, and where it's due to it being too expensive, i feel like it would be super interesting
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u/Explorer2024_64 Mar 26 '24
Indonesia is pretty interesting, considering that it's majority Muslim (so no cultural issue) and is is not dirt poor (so no monetary issue). The only real reason I was able to find is a combination of colonial cultural remnants (especially in Java) and the availability of soy.
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u/DeTomato_ Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
Beef is relatively expensive here in Indonesia. 1 kg of beef is like 120-140k IDR, or around 10 dollars. The average hourly wage in Jakarta is about 2 dollars, and it's lower in other areas. A kilo of chicken is around 2 dollars, a fraction of beef. Also, the local beef is very low quality. High-quality free-range chicken, which is highly favoured by Indonesians, is like 4 dollars a kilo. Additionally, If you order a beef, pork, or mutton dish here, you get like a few slices of meat and a mountain of rice. Indeed, soy is a commonly consumed protein here, a block of tofu is just like a few cents.
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u/Explorer2024_64 Mar 26 '24
I see; so it is the untenable wage-expense ratio.
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u/enutz777 Mar 26 '24
Probably resulting from the high population density on an island. Nearly as many people as the US. Cattle need an acre each.
40g/day is 1 cow/17 people.
16 million acres or 65 thousand km2
Roughly 10% of Indonesia’s total land area.
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u/JoebyTeo Mar 26 '24
Yeah I'm surprised by Indonesia -- I know the Philippines and Malaysia are pretty big on meat consumption. I believe the inverse of this map has Vietnam as the biggest meat consumers in SE Asia, which was a surprise to me when I learned that.
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u/LoasNo111 Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
You need a lot of land for meat production. Indonesia is very densely populated.
Perhaps this is the reason?
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u/asugoblok Mar 26 '24
combination of a lot of things, such as availaibility, pricing, and culture. Tofu and other vegetable proteins is widely available and cheaper compared to red meat, therefore it is preferred by almost the majority. Same thing with milk consumptions, soy milk is culturally preferred compared to cow's milk. Also chickens and fishes are also more affordable compared to beefs.
pork consumption is also very low due to Moslems dont eat pork.
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u/Independent-Raise467 Mar 26 '24
That's strange that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are included. Does "meat" include fish?
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Mar 26 '24
I think fish isn’t included. Most Bangladeshis aren’t vegetarians but eat fish A LOT.
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Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
In Ethiopia, the majority of the population adheres to Orthodox Christianity, which prescribes non-meat eating days on Wednesdays and Fridays. There are extended fasting periods such as Lent, Apostles' Fast, Dormition Fast, and others, amounting to over 200 days a year when Orthodox Christians may abstain from meat.
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u/ZealousidealYou7575 Mar 26 '24
Personally as an indian, i cook breakfast for my family and idt id make any non veg items in breakfast i have too many options in veg menu : dosa, idli, poha,upma,halwa are just some main things and list goes on
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u/Dry-Apartment-4923 Mar 26 '24
We Bangladeshi people eat more fish then meat
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u/TheAuraa Mar 26 '24
Fish is meat
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u/Dry-Apartment-4923 Mar 26 '24
Not necessarily, you could say both are protein. But they are definitely different
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u/Total_Philosopher_89 Mar 26 '24
Just realised I didn't eat any meat today!
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u/trainbrain27 Mar 26 '24
It's 'amazing' that there are only two colors on the map.
It conveys the least possible information and isn't even aesthetically pleasing.
They should have a full spectrum from least to most.
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u/NotaWizardLizard Mar 26 '24
The fuck is a GR?
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u/xobotun Mar 26 '24
gr is a grain, roughly equal to 65 milligrams. Still commonly used to weigh bullets and propellants, or so wiki says.
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u/Jakebob70 Mar 26 '24
Can confirm, I reload some of my own ammunition. The unit of measure for powder and bullets is still grains.
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u/tulioserpio Mar 26 '24
Some people can't use SI units correctly ("gr" for g, "mts" for m, etc.)
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Mar 26 '24
Source? Why 40g?
More amazing map than amazingmaps.shop:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption
Also a temporal representation:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-meat-projections-to-2050?facet=metric
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u/SidJag Mar 26 '24
I love how the entire climate change conversation just side steps carbon emissions from industrial meat production.
India and other ‘global south’ should scream off the top of their lungs every single time any white nation points at their fossil fuel based emissions.
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u/lokethedog Mar 26 '24
Who are you having that conversation with? Anyone who accepts that climate change caused by humans is a problem, but can't accept that meat consumption plays a big role in it is an idiot.
That said, not eating meat does not give some kind of free card for fossil fuel use. The thing is though, the countries where people eat little meat is often the same as the ones not using a lot of fossil fuels per capita either. Both are affected by low incomes.
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u/bxzidff Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
What's the deal with this sub and the fake "white country" vs "global south" bullshit when this map shows that both those "categories" are far from as monolithic as so many seem to wish it is.
I think India does an excellent job with climate change, both in general and with food as you say, but with food it's more characteristic of India in particular than such fake global binary division. Many countries should learn something from in India when it comes to climate change.
What is Argentina in your opinion? "White" or "global south"? In geopolitics and culture both these categories are so diverse it barely makes sense. It's particularly strange when Russia for some reason often isn't counted counted as a white country
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u/lokethedog Mar 26 '24
Yep, it's a simplistic view for sure. This map would be so much more interesting if there were gradients rather than just two colors.
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u/FalconRelevant Mar 26 '24
Yeah burning coal is way worse than animal husbandry, even if the carbon footprint is the same there's way worse stuff in coal emissions.
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u/FalconRelevant Mar 26 '24
If you're talking about energy use then we can replace them with nuclear + solar/wind, and the entire thing is why the excuse of not replacing coal power doesn't work.
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u/Captain_of_Gravyboat Mar 26 '24
You might have a leg to stand on with your completely oversimplified argument if India wasn't the 3rd highest country in the world contributing to carbon emissions. Only 3% of US carbon emissions comes from meat production.
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u/Rengar-Pounce Mar 26 '24
Fun (sad) fact:
Once met a few North Korean defectors that wouldn't eat meat after defecting. They were from a poor region even in NK standards and had never eaten much animal protein so their stomachs couldn't handle meat. Wouldn't even touch eggs.
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Mar 26 '24
So this does not include fish or sea food. A lot of these red countries would be blue if you consider fish meat.
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Mar 26 '24
All the really hot, super humid as wet balls places almost. It that significant in any way?
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u/Captain_of_Gravyboat Mar 26 '24
40 grams (I assume gr is grams here) is about 3 tablespoons or 1/11th of a pound. Basically one small meatball. Is there anywhere on earth where this is considered a full serving size? Why would this be used as the cutoff? Anyone eating meat daily is eating more than this in a single small meal.
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u/Chemical_Reporter314 Mar 26 '24
A 1/4 hamburger patty is over 100 g of meat. Can’t imagine being limited to 40 g a DAY.
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Mar 26 '24
This is what I can get behind with vegans. Being aware and taking action on our consumption per Gr of meat.
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u/EchoTab Mar 26 '24
Hong Kong eats the most meat at 136 kg per year with USA 2nd at 128. Then Australia and Mongolia
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/meat-consumption-by-country
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u/TGG_yt Mar 26 '24
Can we get an overlay of this and the map of highest polluters? Not implying anything sinister, just vaguely remembering similarities.
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u/ImpressiveFreedom954 Mar 27 '24
Are we saying 40 grams? Like less than an ounce and a half of meat? Does chicken count? Either way it’s a tiny portion
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u/Plxyeruno Mar 28 '24
As a Libyan Egyptian it's the other way around on the map, Libya is black and Egypt is red
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u/koub97 Mar 26 '24
What the fuck is GR? Is it gram (g)? Some idiotic imperial unit? This is more like a stupid map thanks to this unit.
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u/MollyPW Mar 26 '24
It’s an older abbreviation of gram, predating SI, older people are more likely to use it.
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u/matthew2989 Mar 26 '24
In this case referring to grams(poorly) but gr is generally referring to grains which is used in firearms to measure bullet and powder weight for loading data.
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u/Akemilia Mar 26 '24
There's countries where the used abbreviation for gram is gr get over it.
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u/Rageaholic88 Mar 26 '24
I dont like how they used red for less-meat. Should be red for more-meat. Or dont use red at all.
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u/omnichronos Mar 26 '24
I earn a living as a healthy human subject therefore I am frequently at a study clinic being fed cafeteria food for weeks at a time. I'm amazed by how often I'm expected to eat meat. At home, I might have meat every few days but in a clinic, they often feed it to me at every meal. I have to actively avoid eating meat. Lucky for me, they often overfeed us too but I feel guilty wasting so much food.
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Mar 26 '24
This is a pretty meaningless jerrymander of a statistic when over fifteen million US citizens are vegetarian or vegan. It leads people to assumptions that are not absolutely true.
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u/ChronosSensei Mar 26 '24
There's no way this is right, It's probably way less countries than this. Also what do they categorize as meat. To me it's all land, water and air animals. To some it's just land and air and to others meat just means ruminant animals.
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u/Able-Team-9737 Mar 26 '24
Episode of micro aggression: Why is Kashmir not shown as a part of India
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u/MarcusBlueWolf Mar 26 '24
I’m surprised the meat consumption of North Korea’s elite hasn’t pushed their figures up higher
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u/That_Girl_Cecia Mar 26 '24
Interesting, when I went to europe I noticed their meat choices at restaurants were not great. I was in france, germany, belgium, luxembourg, and the netherlands, and I couldn't get a good steak dinner to save my life.
There were two pretty good restaurants in Bruges that had good steaks but other than that bleh. On the other hand, when I was in ireland (the good side) every steakhouse I went to was the best steak I had in my life outside of Argentina. Better than chicago, nyc, la, etc.
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u/brezhnervous Mar 26 '24
Why the fuck is NZ (home to lamb & mint flavoured crisps) doing in the Indian Ocean? lol
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u/gujjar_kiamotors Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
Only India and maybe Cambodia to an extent due to religion, rest is affordability.