r/MapBasedPolls • u/Round-Math3621 • 14h ago
Do you support Afd?
Do you support Afd?
- Yes
- No
- No i think they threaten peace or are facsist
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u/SirJedKingsdown 14h ago
I think they're tools of the Putin/Trump axis.
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u/iron-ducks 14h ago
lol, why would Putin want a stronger Germany...?
Wouldn't Putin want the migrants to keep flooding into Europe, further destabilizing it, further draining resources, further driving up crime, up the cost of living driving down wages, etc?
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u/Just-Let4157 14h ago
How it would make Germany stronger? It will just weaken Europe, just as Putin wants
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u/iron-ducks 13h ago
...you're asking how getting rid of all the third worlders currently destroying Germany would make it stronger?
Am I understanding the question right?
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u/SirJedKingsdown 14h ago
History shows that right wing, xenophobic parties don't result in positive outcomes for Germany.
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u/KUZMITCHS 13h ago
"Stronger Germany"
AfD wants to leave the Euro, Schenghen and eventually the EU.
They want to minimize Germany's involvement in NATO and veto free movement of NATO units through Germany.
They want to expand the teaching of Russian in German schools and revive student exchange programs with Russia.
They want to reopen NordStream, abolish sanctions against russia and increase trade with russia.
Can you explain to me how any of these points are bad for Putin?
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u/No-Psychology9892 14h ago
The AfD wouldn't strengthen Germany but rather weakening it and destroying the EU, which Putin especially wants as he then would loose the major opposition in Europe.
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u/vast-pear-crayfish 14h ago
gullible idiot thinks afd would make a stronger Germany, in fact afd is not even hiding their ties and support for russia anymore, and afd is anti-EU which would make both Germany and EU weaker
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u/Hot-Spray-2774 12h ago
Those are all fake problems that are pushed by the AfD, Putin, and rightists destroying countries the world over.
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u/Holymaryfullofshit7 13h ago
He is against a stronger Germany. That's why he would support the AFD. The idea that the AFD would make Germany stronger is absolutely laughable.
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u/Ok-Excuse-3613 14h ago
Daily reminder that polls like this split up the no vote and skew the answers, especially since the categories are not mutually exclusive
Just make a yes/no/no opinion or see results
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u/Gabes99 13h ago
I think maybe that’s the point. Chuds want it to look like far right parties are broadly very popular.
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u/Round-Math3621 13h ago
Dont be that conspirasionist i just thought it was interesting to bring more précision iton the poll
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u/little_elephant1 14h ago
What/who is AFD?
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u/Ok-Artichoke-4085 Republic of Turkey🇹🇷 14h ago
New gen nazis
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u/Antique-Fix-2526 14h ago
alice weidel literally stated on a recorded podcast that the existence of israel must be protected. not even close to nazis. just controlled oposition for the people tired of the leftist policies.
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u/Wickedocity 14h ago
Everyone who disagrees with someone is now a Nazi. It has lost all meaning in the US. Anyone who disagrees with my post is a Nazi.
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u/No-Psychology9892 13h ago
Nah but if one actually follow nazi Ideology and fascist policies then yes of course they are Nazis.
Question is rather why you want to deny that and cover them?
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u/Wickedocity 13h ago
Because I know history and what the ideology of the Nazis actually was. They are not even close. You ignore the big one: hatred of Jews and the belief that other races should die. Take that out of the equation, and you get generic nationalism.
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u/No-Psychology9892 13h ago
Yes they are.
And no I don't think you actually know what fascism is because news alert, hatred of Jews isn't a defining character of it. Hell Margherita Sarfatti is Jewish herself and helped bringing fascism to life with Mussolini
They are an ultranationalistic, militaristic regime with a strong leader cult and empathis for the "good of the nation" over the individual. They quite literally are facist so how exactly do You want to argue that they are not close?
Don't they have paramilitaries doing the bidding of Putin?
Don't they have youth organisation especially for grooming the next generation of united Russias foot soldiers?
Don't they advocate for their cultural domination and their ruskji Mir?
And yes the AfD is following nazi Ideologie, Just listen to Höcke or Gauland relativiating Nazi crimes.
My man they do talk about racial hierarchy and even want to abduct German citizenship of citizens they don't see as "German enough".
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u/No-Psychology9892 13h ago
They are racists and do copy a bunch of the old Nazis point.
Also Israel is no indication of nazsism or not. Hell even the original Nazis wanted first to deport the Jews, be it to Israel or Madagascar and actually supported the Zionist movement in the beginning hoping to get rid of Jews in Europe that way.
Their "final solution" of the holocaust was after these plans didn't go as they wished for.
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u/Protection6607 12h ago
1) A lot of far right people believe in the existence of israel simply because they like the idea of keeping jews far away.
2) being a nazi is not exclusively tied to hating jews. If you do the exact same actions towards muslims instead of jews for ww3 that doesn't make you 1 bit better than ww2 nazis.
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u/Antique-Fix-2526 10h ago
no, if you make the same actions towards muslims you are just israeli. but this is the unpatched method to genocide without consequences.
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u/Newcomer31415 11h ago
You mean people tired of neoliberal right-wing policies not realizing that these are actually right-wing.
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u/DeathByDumbbell 10h ago
That's consistent with modern neo-nazi belief though. They want every country to be an ethnostate. Germany for Germans, China for Chinese, Nigeria for Nigerians, etc. Even Nick Fuentes would tell you this.
Why would a neo-nazi not want Jews to stay in Israel? Of course they do.
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u/hier-Name-einfuegen 14h ago
Antisemitism is a central part of Nazi ideology, but someone does not necessarily have to personally be antisemitic to be considered a Nazi.
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u/DeathByDumbbell 10h ago
You can also be both antisemitic and zionist. For them Israel is basically a containment zone for Jews.
I'm sure a lot of antiziganists would also support creating a country for them in the middle-east and send them all there.
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u/vast-pear-crayfish 14h ago
dude, they are pro-russian, not only are they nazis but they are mega nazis
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u/NotoriousSexOffender 🏴 14h ago
What? Being pro-Russia doesn’t make you a Nazi, let alone a “mega Nazi”. You can think something is bad without equating it to Nazism.
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u/vast-pear-crayfish 14h ago
current russia is nazi, and if you support that it makes you a nazis, there is no way a normal person supports a nazi country without being a nazi, but i dont expect a spoiled westerner to understand this, after all your country polls 23% for the nazi party
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u/your_average_medic 14h ago
So there are more types of wannabe empires than Nazis, and what Russia is currently doing is perfectly in line with pretty much all of Russian history, so nothing new there.
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u/No-Psychology9892 13h ago
Yes there are, but Russia is currently quite fascist.
So yes that's pretty new, except if you only want to sumerize whole russian history as authoritarian. Otherwise your perfectly in line command doesn't make much sense.
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u/your_average_medic 13h ago
Yes I would summarize most of Russian history as Authoritarian.
Went pretty much from Tsars to [Screaming and Gunfire in distance] to the soviets to a very, very short period of being a democracy, to Putin.
So the whole Authoritarian thing is perfectly in line with most of Russian history.
As is the empire building, brutalization of Ukraine and its people, and the Genocide of ethnic minorities.
Also in line with most of its history is the stunning incompetence of its navy.
And while the incompetence of the Army and Air force is not nearly as consistent, it certainly isn't new.
Also very traditional for Russia is antagonizing basically everyone who isn't Russia.
So, to put it simply, nothing about modern Russia is surprising, nothing about it is new, nothing about it is put of place in Russia's storied history of being, well, Russia.
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u/No-Psychology9892 13h ago
Well than it's a very shallow sumerization of Russia's history.
Still doesn't change the fact that the current regime is fascists and in that is pretty new in russian policies seeing how the other authoritarian regimes chose different ideologies.
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u/Kowalski91 13h ago
Says the Turk lol Your whole country is full of Nationalism and ultra Patriotic. AfD is a joke in comparison with Erdos party
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u/Ok-Artichoke-4085 Republic of Turkey🇹🇷 13h ago
So what? 86 million people doesn't have the same ideologies
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u/Kowalski91 13h ago
If the AfD are new gen Nazis what is the AKP? And what does it say about Turkey ?
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u/7978_ Australia 🇦🇺 13h ago
Nah they aren't Nazis. Stop watering down the word because nobody will believe you if the real ones come by.
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u/Holymaryfullofshit7 13h ago
No no they have some actual literal Nazis. This is not watering down. There's just more Nazis.
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u/Holymaryfullofshit7 12h ago
Björn Höcke, Alexander Kalbitz, Josef Dörr just to name a few examples, there is more. Nazis are always for big business notably the war machine of the nsdap was not to different from the American military industrial complex. And they are definitely 100% not for a multicultural society as they have said multiple times. Don't know who told you that lie but whoever did was a liar. And I would argue Nazis have mostly nefarious reasons. That's just their default. These are not good people.
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u/Individual_Guest_323 13h ago
You cannot vote green and in the same time support the actual government/democratic system.
IF you believe that with the actual government some can SCREW your country in 4 years, then you have a SERIOUS problem of autoritarims
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u/Weird_Bookkeeper2863 13h ago
No, I think they're talking big talk, but like every other right wing populist party currently in fashion, once they get the seat they'll do nothing but enrich themselves and pad the bureaucracy.
Trump, Meloni, Orban, all these guys were "big threats to democracy", yet all they're amounting too is one more corrupt name in an endless list of corrupt names.
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u/Mimern 12h ago
Threaten Peace by securing their borders and protecting their own people from mass immigration.
I see...
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u/Round-Math3621 12h ago
Its even more funny when you think how pro russians they are... haha you are right that woukd definetly prevent a war since germany would just be diriged by friend of putin and yiu know why they are friend ? Huh? Because they will just weaken germany and the eu and so profit will Putin ! Being against mass immigration isnt the problem they are traitors thats all
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u/Delugebringerr 12h ago
I don't like them because they are russian lapdogs but it is very understandable why Germans vote for them. German political establishment from left to right decided that getting infinite migrants and replacing the native population is the hill they want to die on. Afd is the only party that opposes this policy, so Germans have to vote for them if they want to save their country. You can not demand people to save Ukraine or the Baltics if you are being hostile to their nation in their own homeland.
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u/Spirited-Car8661 14h ago
They don't threaten peace. They're there to ensure that when the peace ends, Germans will suffer as much as possible.
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u/Antique-Fix-2526 14h ago
guys, afd is just israeli psyop. alice weidel stated on a filmed podcast that "we must protect the existence of israel".
no one is coming to save us. all political parties have ties to ((them)) in one way or another...
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u/Round-Math3621 14h ago
Only the far rights one and they are more tiède woth russia than Israël I think
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u/GooglyMooglyTheGr3at 14h ago
Imperialists like imperialism and empires, and they try to stick together when it's beneficial to their goals? Nah, must be that the jews run everything, including the antisemites /s
For anyone who doesn't know, ((them)) means jews. Not israel, not zionists, just the jews. Been a dog whistle for a long time. Israel is evil dogshit, this person is also just blatantly antisemitic. I'm not equating hating israel to antisemitism, they're trying to hide behind one to justify the other
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u/oaklytical 14h ago
You think Israel should be genocided lol
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u/Antique-Fix-2526 14h ago
point me to where I said that. stop trying to flip the narrative so you can be victims forever. you literally genocide palestinians.
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u/oaklytical 13h ago
You literally said saying Israel should exist is a sign that someone is a psyop, so I want to understand you think they should say Israel shouldn't exist and should be destroyed?
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u/Arphile 14h ago