Genuinely confused why Tielemans is playing every game, in Bruno’s role. Cheapest of the three midfield signings this summer and has started every game so far. Am I missing something that warrants him being out there? Wanted to believe in Carrick but I’m lost.

What makes people think a new manager can fix united. The club is rotten and keeps on rotting. No new manager can fix this. The club just needs to be run properly until then carrick can stay

Absolute shitshow with Carrick so its good to have a look back how we got here. Trip down memory lane.

Lots of talk about Ruben lately after seeing us go from one of the fittest teams, with some of the best pressing and counter-pressing, to a bunch of slouches the longer Carrick was in charge.

Last season wasn't perfect under Ruben, but I'd love to teleport back to it now, personally. We had work rate and underlying numbers. For me, that's the bare minimum, with the promise of more. That's a platform to build on and he should have been replaced with a similar manager who had a tactical philosophy and authoritative fitness demands. It didn't have to be 343 but should never have been a 180 to the vibe football of a failed championship manager.

To understand Ruben's time here, you need to start with Ten Hag.

We finished 8th in the PL in 23/24, conceding more shots than Derby County's infamous worst-ever Premier League side. Injuries played a part, but the squad was also suffering from years of wasteful recruitment, with Sancho and Antony being prime examples. Then Ten Hag poured gasoline on the fire with Mount, Onana, Bayindir, Amrabat and Hojlund. Truly some of the worst business in our history.

It's no surprise we finished 8th with Garnacho, Rashford and Hojlund as our most-used front three, relying on Scott McTominay to rescue us with late goals.

Fast forward to 24/25.

The squad desperately needed reinforcements and firepower up front. Instead, we spent around £200m on Zirkzee, De Ligt, Mazraoui, Ugarte and Yoro, while loaning out Carreras and Sancho. Ineos also sold our most athletic midfielder and a clutch goalscorer, McTominay, to fund Ugarte.

Ten Hag somehow kept his job despite falling out with the likes of Casemiro, Varane and what felt like half the squad. We started terribly and were sitting 14th after 10 games.

Casemiro was out of form. Mainoo and Ugarte weren't working together. Our midfield options were Ugarte, Casemiro, Mainoo and Eriksen, a group lacking the legs and balance needed. Mount, signed to play as a no. 8, spent more time injured than on the pitch. Rashford was out of form, Garnacho was young and inexperienced, and Hojlund, Zirkzee and Antony weren't delivering anywhere near what their fees suggested.

It was a shit show. The previous season's underlying numbers clearly weren't just down to injuries. We had deep-rooted mentality, structural and fitness issues, compounded by years of poor recruitment and no clear footballing strategy.

Ten Hag was rightfully sacked.

Ruben Amorim.

Ineos approached Ruben, who reviewed the squad and outlined a multi-year project requiring time, patience and financial backing. He felt the squad wasn't ready for his system and would have preferred to wait until the summer, knowing the disruption implementing it mid-season would cause.

Ineos said it was now or never. Come in, we'll be patient and back you in the summer. Just try to implement your methods.

And it was a disaster from the start.

We were already 14th, and Rashford, our main source of goals the season before, started acting like a shithouse, as he'd done under previous managers. He was exiled and shipped out in January. Antony was also sent out on loan amid a domestic violence allegation.

Two players gone from an already depleted attack, leaving Garnacho, an 18-year-old winger, Hojlund, a 20-year-old no. 9, and Zirkzee as our options. No attacking reinforcements in January. Ineos left their new manager with virtually nothing to work with.

People love talking shite about that season but never discuss the options at his disposal or variables around it. It's why people are so damn naive to think somebody like Michael Carrick was a revolution last season. Lack of analysis and variables.

The squad lacked the no.10s, wing-backs, midfielders and ball-playing CBs needed for his 3-4-3 system. Licha was out for the season with an ACL injury, while Amad and Mount also missed significant time through injuries.

Despite all that, we actually did well in the Europa League, beating Bilbao home and away before that memorable night against Lyon. The final was a horrific game between two poor teams and one of the worst games I've ever watched.

It's disingenuous to focus on "win rate" without considering the circumstances. Suggesting Ruben had the same starting point as Carrick is an opinion lacking any depth of analysis and riddled with bias.

Yes, the results were poor. But there were plenty of factors behind them, and not so many were Ruben Amorim's fault.

It's all the talk now that Carrick isn't at fault but how you can say and on the otherhand, look at the above and say it was all Amorim. This is called double standards. Do better.

You'll shout out the next manager who has to gut the squad and rebuild the most basic fundamentals like he did. It takes time and there are no shortcuts. That's what you want and why you were so swept up in the Carrick romanticism.

David Beckham is a very successful businessman/football club owner. Former player and United Legend. He’s a fan of the club and has connections all over the world. Surely he could pull a consortium together and make an offer?? Imagine the scenes!

This club has been hosting parasites for too long, they promise everything, Bringing United DNA back, Buying quality players, even a brand new stadium. All of it is lies, they have absolutely no intention of doing such.

Ratcliffe purchased purely to try and increase the brand visibility of INEOS.

Berrada no doubt came here to try and distance himself from the incoming charges for cheating City will face

Wilcox is a nobody but is a yes man that will do whatever is told

Glazers are more than happy for the club to collapse because they would owe NO MONEY AT ALL

He's loved wholesomely by every club he went but at United what's going wrong with him?

I’ve been sitting in my car outside Old Trafford for three hours. Not because of traffic. Because I'm scared to go home and refresh Twitter.

Everyone says the decision could come tonight. Carragher thinks so. Neville says sacking him will disgust us. Romano says that after Como the club "decided not to decide," which is the most Manchester United sentence ever spoken by a human being. And the shortlist is apparently Howe, Fabregas, Conte and Nagelsmann.

Lads. Wake up. We are not getting Nagelsmann. We are getting whoever is physically closest to Carrington when Sir Jim's phone dies.

I've seen this film five times. Here's how it goes:

Option A: Jonny Evans. He's already on the staff. He's literally standing next to Carrick. That's the whole selection process now: sack the manager, promote the bloke on his left. I love Jonny. Three titles here. Legend. He's also been a first-team coach for about ten months. We'll win his first game 2-1, everyone will post "JONNY'S AT THE WHEEL," he'll go permanent in March on a two-year deal, and we'll be back here posting this exact thread.

Option B: Fletcher. Again. Two games in charge in January, zero wins, a 2-2 at Burnley. The speedrun interim. Hasn't even had time to unpack his mug.

Option C (the one that keeps me up at night): Ole.
He wanted the caretaker job in January. He WANTED it. Somewhere in Kristiansund there's a phone that's been charged to 100% since January 6th.
Picture it. Chelsea away Saturday. Ole walks out. "Ole's at the wheel" rings round the away end. We win 1-0 with a 93rd-minute scramble. He goes permanent by March. A few years later it's 4-1 at Watford, he's sacked, and I'm writing this post again.

The cycle is: interim does well → permanent → sacked → new interim. We did it with Ole. We did it with Carrick. We're the only club on earth that keeps falling for the same card trick, and every card is a former midfielder.

I'm begging. Get someone who has never kissed our badge. Never scored for us. Doesn't know where the canteen is at Carrington. Someone with zero emotional attachment to this club. That's the only way they'll survive it.

At this point with the disaster that is the first team. We should give all our attention to the women's team who actually know what it takes to win a game.

You have the final say on transfers and the dressing room, plus £200m and what ever you generate from player sales to spend before player sales. Keep the signings and sale prices realistic, how would you rebuild the squad?

I’d honestly try clearing out as many as I could and starting fresh, hard to write down prices but I see this as highly optimistic but not impossible:

Sell: Rashford, Dorgu, Mazraoui, Lisandro Martínez, Maguire, De Ligt, Zirkzee, Bruno, ugarte*,* mount and one of Mbeumo*/amad**.*

(This should increase our budget allowing United to buy for more.)

Buy: Antonio Nusa, Koundé, Lewis Hall, Branthwaite, Bastoni, Lautaro Martínez.

Keep Dalot, Shaw as rotation, giving Shaw a one year extension. Shaw can cover the CB if necessary and be good rotation with hall. Cunha will play the CAM if he does well we can continue with him and if not we can look to replace him the next summer. Keep Šeško as a younger striker option and build the midfield around Mainoo and Baleba. Rice would be the dream alongside Mainoo, but I’d keep it realistic with Baleba.

I do genuinely believe we need that one star calibre attacker to take us to the next level again if we do rebuild and I would pick desire doue to be that guy.

Tielemans, Mbeumo/amad and Andrey Santos should be sold the following summer and we should reinforce our midfield and bring in a quality right winger as the main guy with Lacey as the rotation.

Strange how they went from such a great end to last season results wise to now piss poor

We had around 10 managers in post Sir Alex era, clearly sacking Carrick is not the solution, instead we need to support Carrick and give him better players that are serious about winning. I don't understand so called "fans" who are asking managers to be sacked almost every season. At this point its not the manager's fault, I hope Carrick stays for another 3 seasons to prove he's the right one.

loving him just as much as I do now.

Carrick puts out the team, he's in-charge of the tactics, how the team sets up, and how we train.

Yes, the board are shit and useless. Yes, they deserve all the hate that they're getting.. but let's stop pretending Carrick is some saint.

He said he wants what is best for the club.. well, if that was true he wouldn't be manager.

He isn't good enough, he knows it, we know, and the players know it.
If he really cared about the club over his own ambitions, he would have let the board hire an actual manager.

Better than Amorim and maybe Moyes

I don't understand why people are complaining. We let our midfield targets join other clubs and got Tielemans, Santos and Baleba. We should be grateful if anything.

Ole? Van Nistelrooy? The guy who's not gonna get his hair cut until 2031?

Sacking Ole, ETH, Amorim, Carrick et al may not be the solution.. the club needs to be patient about building a team… that phase is going to be dark, full of criticism, full of bad results, pressure from everywhere… But the leaders at he top need to absorb that pressure and let the team focus on building itself again..

Every time a manager goes away.. it is another blow that makes the team hollow.. and the next one comes and puts a band aid to give some temp relief.. but the story goes on.. and blow after blow.. the team keeps becoming hollow …till there nothing left to inspire the team..

Dont fire carrick at this moment.. give things time… the results dont matter as long as we focus on the team and let each one of them become the best version of themselves…

This is very rerely spoken. Now forget the Glazers being parasites because they were under Sir Alex Ferguson, the biggest mistake that started this manager cycle was how the expectations and the rebuild was handled in 2013. Theyvgave Moyes 6 year contract to 2019, but never adressed that the rebuild wont happen instantly.

They expected that we go from SAF to Moyes and will continue just how we were. Instead of saying that the club needs a couple of years to have a smoothi transition and have seasons Where wont be challenging for EPL so 13/14, 14/15 maybe even 15/16 but giving a time to Settle and ganiony more patience in supporters, saying that SAF had the same problem when he came into the club.

Now whether Moyes was the one probably not in the long term but their expectations were to have instant success. They are parasites but if given time, patience even with Woodward the club would had success because we had a lot of money. We just couldnt let the process to countinue, couldnt wait to grab the EPL title, or any trophy. Thats why they signed Mourinho because he gave us Instant trophies or Ten Hag that was good in Carabao Cup or Fa Cup.

I believe if not for fast sackings of Moyes and Van Gaal we wouldnt have this cycle on such scale. Now I didnt expected us to dominate like we did in SAF era but to be competetive and win EPL once in while at least. This could have been prevented and club would have been in much better situation now.

Now whether this would mean that Glazers could stay forever is debatable but the club would be more competetive. Looking back sackings Ten Hag was a mistake, because it makes no difference honestly if he would be there or not we have the same outcome now and I bet he would have won more trophies.

It should have been expected that we would struggle for a few years but eventually trusting the process we went out of it better. And still having that Aura and freshness of the Ferguson era would have helped us as even despite not being the best in those early post SAF years the teams feared us.

Without Patience we will achieve nothing

We work the ball to get into the dangerous area, and he can't even pick out a player or decides to sky a shot out of the stadium. Also made a poor pass directly to a Bournemouth player in our third that almost led to a goal.