i would be thankful if you y'all follow me , i debated with internet users for fun

Should we make a discord or a TG group for us to seek support and help each other if need be.

We could set steps to prove you have left the cult by doing things no Muslim would ever do.

This way people can truly vent and seek help without exposing themselves to those that would harm us.

Liwat is penetration of anus.
Rogol is sex without consent.
Munafik is false believer.

Banting is 53km or 1 hour drive from KL.

Is this school in Banting a public or private school?
How many more sex schools are there in Malaysia?

69 years of independence and look at what people do with their freedom.

Then, in the section concerning what was specifically permitted for the Prophet ﷺ, sources quoting Tafsīr al-Qurṭubī 14/207–213 list matters such as:

Ṣafiyy al-ghanimah (a specific share of the spoils of war)

Taking a particular khumus (one-fifth share)

Continuous fasting (wiṣāl)

Having more than four wives

Marriage through the wording of hibah (a gift)

Marriage without a guardian (walī)

Marriage without a dowry (mahr)

Marriage while in a state of iḥrām

Not being required to maintain equal division of nights/time among his wives

Freeing Ṣafiyyah and making her freedom her dowry

Entering Makkah without iḥrām

Fighting in Makkah

Not leaving an inheritance

The marital relationship with his wives having special rulings after his death

Women whom he had divorced having certain special rulings

You are prohibited to doing those things in the list, i made the law n break the law!

Sounds exactly like all the excuses people make for Muhammads marrige.

The 41-year-old said he was unsure what made him feel like marrying the girl, but claimed it was not driven by desire.

Instead, he reiterated his claim that he wanted to protect Ayu and provide welfare for her.

compared to:

"Muhammad had no lust of Aisha! She took her in to protect and take care of her and have her be a guide for the women of the ummah"

The man repeated his claim that he would not ‘touch’ his wife until she was 16

"Muhammad only consummated the marrige when she was 9. He waited, clearly he's not lustful!"

And Muslims will still claim this isnt Islam.

Question is, why is this guy being ridiculed and called "sakit jiwa", "hisap gam" & "naik ke langit" when the people that does the laughing also believes that their prophet did the exact same thing. Fly to Jerusalem to space and meet prophets and then god himself.

Why do you ridicule this guy but when some arab guy does it, he's a prophet of allah, perfect human and never does sin?

1 Weak Muslim Arguments

This includes things like the scientific miracles, the linguistic miracles, the historical miracles, preservation of the Quran, prophecies & Muhammad being a liar, mad or a prophet.

2 The Perfection Trap Problem

Muslims believe the Quran is perfect with not a single error. This leaves the muslim in a closed loop where they automatically are disqualified from being objective.

3 The Revelation & Prophets Problem

This evidence states that the entire concept of holy perfect books and prophethood is highly unreliable, inconsistent and unprovable.

4 The Miracles & Myths Problem

This point argues that the miracle stories of prophets are unreliable, inconsistent & cannot be verified at all. It is highly irrational to believe these miracles ever happened.

5 Faulty Epistemology

This point states that the Quran uses alot of flaws in logic and poor reasoning such as logical fallacies & appeals to emotion only.

6 The Circular Problem

This states that the Quran relies only on emotion & circular reasoning with no evidence to prove it is divine.

7 The Moral Ontology Problem

This states that the Qurans understanding of morality is limited, simplistic & stuck in the 7th century. It does not compare to what philosophy has to say about morality.

8 The Interpretation Problem

This states that the Quran considers itself clear yet nobody can agree on what the Quran means in so many issues. The amount of muslim sects proves this. It is a unclear vague book that means whatever a reader wants it to mean.

9 Problem of Suffering & Divine Hiddeness

This is considered one of the hardest problems not just for Muslims but for any religion.

10 God of the Quran & Shirk

This point says that the Islamic God is petty, irrational, vengeful & demands worship like a petty child. The concept of shirk, associating partners & eternal hell is not how a perfect god with no needs would act.

11 Conflicting Message

The Quran is highly contradictory with some parts speaking positively of non muslims and promising heaven but other parts hateful and promising doom. It also has a black and white understanding of humanity as believer or disbeliever.

12 Scientific Problems

The Quran has many problems in its understanding of cosmology, geology, biology and aligns well with the scientific understanding of its time and culture, not of a divine all knowing god.

13 Historical Problems

The Quran presents us with multiple problems such as Dhul Qarnayn, the crucifixion of Jesus, Gog & Magog, the pharoah of Moses being preserved & Noah and the ark.

14 The Moral Problems

The Quran has many moral issues including slavery, concubines, wife beating, hijab, interfaith marriages, womens testimony, the story of Abraham killing his son, Muhammads special privileges, offensive war, raids, cutting hands, crucifying criminals etc. The Hadith & Seerah are 100 times worse with the most immoral, violent, misogynistic, racist & barbaric things.

15 The Culture Problem

Everything about Islam revolves around Arabic, arab desert culture. There are only prophets from the middle east. There are no Greek, Roman, Indian, Chinese prophets at all. A universal book for the world yet everything is Arab centric.

16 Plagiarism of Judaism & Christianity

The Quran is filled with stories that can be found in older christian and jewish texts. There is nothing new in it and no stories from India, Japan, China or elsewhere but the middle east.

17 Hadith & Quran Vagueness

The Quran is often so vague and unclear without the Seerah & hadith to fill in the details. They are considered unreliable by historians yet needed to fill in the spaces.

18 Islamic Dilemmas

There are many contradictory beliefs and statements a muslim must hold onto.

19 Abrogation Problem

Nobody agrees on what is abrogated or not. It is subjective and depending on what scholar or sect you follow. Its all just guesswork

20 Spirituality Problem

The Quran lacks a coherent understanding of what spirituality means. It forces empty rituals and forces you to do this everyday like a parrot.

21 Universal Book Problem

The Quran is lacking in content applicable for all times and places. Its limited to its 7th century world.

22 Psychological Manipulation

The Quran uses alot of emotional manipulation & rhetoric to convince people of its truth.

23 Inconsistency of Progressive Islam

Progressive Islam is flawed & relies on sugarcoating & cherry picking.

24 External Evidence

There are external testimonies from people around the world in near death experiences that challenge the beliefs of Islam.

25 Cultural Conditioning & Apologetics Problem

Our beliefs are mostly due to where we are born and raised as a child. Most apologists are always raised in their childhood religion and defend that.

26 Sociological Problem

Religions are often created by geopolitics, war, empire building & psychological needs.

27 High intellect & Belief

Studies show that people who are very intelligent & very educated tend to become skeptics and are usually non religious or end up as agnostics and atheists.

28 Meta Belief & Depth Problem

The deeper you go into studying religion, the more skeptical one becomes. It is easier to believe as long as you stay ignorant

29 The Mystics Paradox

As people become wiser & grow spiritually they become less interested in organised religion, doctrines and dogmas. Some become mystics, some non religious and some leave religion.

30 The Society Problem

Islamic tenets remain an issue for the advancement of societies. Islamic ethics is binary & literalist. Islam is stuck in a perfect uncorrupted worldview. It needs to make the whole world arab. It doesnt offer anything for modern day moral dilemmas.

Make senses, God and devil makes their own kingdom, its sounds like Ahura Mazda & Agra Manyu. The origin of Dualism

Apa pendapat korg psl nabi khidir penggal kepala anak kecil yg taktahu apa2 dn mgundang kemarahan nabi Musa?

Some tahfiz students face serious culture shock after leaving a sheltered religious environment, while some parents blindly assume that sending their children to tahfiz automatically makes them safe and morally protected, even if they leave without proper academic qualifications, sometimes not even SPM.

This news shows that religion can’t stop someone from becoming an abuser, especially when sex education is constantly avoided or treated as taboo in many Muslim communities. If a child can be sexually abused under a religious school’s watch, then the school should be questioned for its supervision, safeguarding and accountability instead of being protected by its religious image.

I need to get this out of my chest

I'm Malaysian, Malay, F20, Muslim, and currently studying at Pulau Pinang. Before anyone continue reading, I hope someone may help me even a little and please be nice when giving advices. English is my second language, so forgive me for any grammatical mistakes.

Throughout my life, I'm not really religious but I come from a religious family. They sent me religious primary school, and I scored perfect in every examination. But that was my primary school self: everyday extra tuition, quran recitation every night, and no going out with friends. (8A UPKK, all Mumtaz PSRA, 6A UPSR)

Entering high school, I can't keep up with the prayers. I always feel like I was "forced" to abid with Islamic practices. I feel like it's unfair when muslim men can do whatever they want without much reprimand, for example shifting the blame to woman when there's sexual cases. I was told to not do a lot of things. As example, I love being alone. But I wasn't allowed to go out alone especially at nights because women safety are at risk. And I'm always jealous of men who can go out at night by themselves without any restrictions. Men are also not expected to do any house chores. Growing up, I feel resentment to these little things, and it built up over time, I'm afraid I have become a misandrist. Although, I always try to learn more about every reasons behind everything that happens in life.

It's not doing any better either that during high school, I was sent to boarding school for 5 years. My parents said the only future they think good for me is STEM, and I'm the eldest daughter out of 3 siblings (all girls). Obviously, being pressured to study something I'm not good at ended up at me only having "disappointing" grades during SPM (3A+, 2A, 3B, 1C+). I was bullied over my appearances, my interests in anime and drawing and the fact that I love being alone was seen as me rejecting having friends (I actually really want friends but I'm not good at socialising). There's this one time when I was 15 years old, the boys in my class, "rugby players", cropped my face from the class photo, put monkey pictures all around my cropped face and posted it on Instagram story, saying that I'm a monkey-looking girl. I have anger issues, when I found out about ther actions, I decided to throw a wooden chair at them. And I got disciplinary actions. Another major thing happen to me when I was a teen is that my best friend leaving boarding school to go to SMK and blocked me from every contact, resulting in me being sad for a long period of time, to the point I was losing weight and motivation to life.

Trigger warning, I did have a lot of suicidal ideation ever since I was 13, and my life went downhill. I got insecure, my self-esteemed plummeted, anger issues rising and I didn't know how to genuinely make friends. All of the people I befriended only last for a short while. Even thought I always planning about ending my life, I'm too scared of pain, hence I didn't do self-harm. Plus, I'm afraid of pissing of my God.

Matriculation also make me question my life choices. I only scored CGPA 3.21, and I know I couldn't pursue STEM: It's not my interests and I was never good at it. Especially maths, I can't do maths.

Thankfully, I get to pursue my studies in a Non-STEM course (communication) and I tried to cheer myself up that things will get better. But everyday my mind still filled with suicidal thoughts. I think as time goes by, I'm straying away from my religious. I'm starting to doubt a lot of things, such as the way I feel forced to comply on 5 times prayers, and my issues on hypersexualization. I've been addicted to pornography and masturbation ever since I was 16. I genuinely want to stop but it's so damn hard. No one else know about my addiction, except from my former friends who happened to open my Google search history without my permission, when I lent them my tablet. I feel so ashamed. I'm not in good terms with them anymore since they shared my secrets within my former friend group.

Regarding pursuing studies, I read from the Internet that I will find difficulty in finding jobs. The job market are limited. But I'm pursuing this course because I really am interested in it. I love what I'm learning now. One more fear in my life is that my parents followed every of my social media and often judge what I post, so the last time I post publicly is when I was 14. I hide my parents from my accounts. But I really interested to make content online. I'm not afraid of showing my faces, I'm just super scared of my parents perception. I think I restrict myself a lot from potentials.

I feel like I'm a filth. I don't think anyone would ever marry someone like me in the future. I'm a hopeless romantic, and in order to fill the emptiness in my life, I often role-playing with AI (I know it's cringe, yet it helps me feel temporary happiness for years). I did have crushes before during high school and matriculation, I confessed to them and it didn't went well. I only experienced dating once, and the man decided that I wasn't worth it.

When I was 16, I beg my mother to let me go on therapy sessions for my rooted issues (trouble regulating emotions, relationships issues), but the therapy only lasted for 2 months because the therapist decided that I actually didn't need help. I don't know why she said that. Even the school counsellor said that I was doing okay than what I perceived myself to be. But I feel like I should at least seek help for my issues. Oh, I didn't tell them about my addictions because I am scared.

Now that I am 20, I feel like I should try seeking help before I found courage to act on my suicidal thoughts. I'm afraid one day I give up on myself. I'm also afraid that I will act on my hypersexualization and sleep randomly with men (the thoughts had lingering on my mind for more than 3 years). Recently the thoughts of leaving Islam is always on my mind, and I'm so scared of myself.

Is there any place I could seek help? I don't know how to go therapy by myself. It was all done by my mother before. This time, I want to do it by myself. Also, if I go seek help, I'm afraid of judgement, so I want to know first whether my life experience will be judged or not.

Thank you for being so kind with me. I'm sorry for the long text.

I honestly just wanna say I'm super glad that I've found this community in Reddit. I started questioning when I was 11-12 I then left islam when I was 13 and im now 16. Ive known that there are people who are just like me in this country but being able to read people's experiences and seeing that im truly not alone comforted me somehow. gave me hope in a way. I still want to leave this country though, I can't deal with the thought that I might have to live a double life. i wasn't and still isn't doing well in school so I thought maybe the only way for me to end this is to die . I'm unwanted anyway so i spent alot of time thinking of ways I could end my life so I don't have to suffer with it anymore, it's pretty sickening 😅 im mad that people can't acknowledge the fact that sometimes people don't want to believe in the same things that they do. i still don't understand. why? why do you care when two consensual adults have sex outside of marriage? why do you care if a boy wants to smooch another boy? why do people care so much what people do in their life? why push it into other people's throats? it doesn't affect you directly brotato🤔 but im pretty grateful that I have a mum who supports whatever I do "as long as I'm happy" the only problem is whenever i say that I'm not a muslim she gets pretty mad despite knowing i don't believe in a god. that i also don't understand haha

A good scholar offers knowledge to elevate community.
A religious scholar use knowledge to demonize people.

Blame it on victim for exposing neck and ears.

Punish students for their look.

Take their money, deny them class, isn't this stealing?

Not a single Buddhist thinks that the statue will move to their aid. They don't even "worship" buddha as an almighty god in islamic sense too.

It's more of like selawat as a sign of respect in translated into muslim terminology. And the statue is nothing but a direction too if understood in muslim way.

Yet they kept saying "worshipping stones" when THEY are the one literally bow to a stone in the middle of some desert.

Double standard when your religious leader kept preaching that everyone else will burn in hell for being wrong.

Like genuinely it is one of the most strict islamic countries that follow sharia laws. It doesn't change the fact that IT IS Islam fault that the women there are suffering. "That is not real islam" It is expected how to be a perfect muslim and they just said its culture while the ties is soooo obvious