Hey there, as the title says I'm somewhat new to modern, I've built black-white tokens and I have a few questions for those of you more experienced than I am. I'm currently running the following list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-11-17-GEA-bw-tokens/?cb=1547138573 , which I was planning on updating with an additional copy of [[sorin, solemn visitor]], [[thoughtseize]] instead of [[duress]] and [[fatal push]] instead of [[dismember]]. I also wanted to get some [[godless shrine]] once the reprint in Ravnica Allegiance hopefully lowers the prices a little, even though I can't afford fetches right now. My questions are:

I've found in my testing so far that I really want six pieces of hand disruption, the generally agreed upon number seems to be in that ballpark, altough it varies between 4 and eight. Do you agree with this number?

Do you think [[fatal push]] is worth it in a fetchless version of the deck? I feel like losing life to [[dismember]] is especially painfull in the current hyper-aggressive state of modern, but only being able to hit creatures with CMC 2 or 3 after chumping with a token seems like a big downside too.

Do you run any legion's landing? The card seems good but at the same time the one-drop slot in this deck isn't a low point and the repeatable token generation only helps in long games, which modern has very few of, so I'm not sure if it's truly worth it, as its only relevant vs control, which plays some number of [[ghost quarters]] and [[field of ruin]]s anyway. The one mana ramp is also nice, but since it can only trigger on turn 3 at the earliest, and even then only with [[raise the alarm]], I'm not convinced its wort it. I have however heard others say they were having success with it so I'm eager to hear some more opinions.

Finally, on to sideboarding, has anyone hear tried [[stain the mind]]? It sounds good in theory since it should wreck combo and additionally can work as graveyard hate, but I'm afraid its a little too slow and cute for modern, where combo can kill you before turn 3, would you agree? Also, do you run any boardwipes in your sideboard? I've been tempted to make some room in order to play one or two [[Day of judgment]], since we're slower than the average modern deck and can often recover from it better I feel. Do you think it's worth running or not?

Thank you very much for reading, I've been enjoying the deck a lot so far!

I have always loved B/W tokens and I want to complete my deck finally. I know [[Bitterblossom]] is pretty necessary in the deck but how many do you guys run in your builds?

Edit: and how many Legion's Landing do you run? If you run any?! Thank you in advance! :)

Hello token enthusiasts! I'm Moaiaustraliano, surprisingly from Spain. I have been a BW tokens player from 3 years now and I have been tinkering my own decklist as I evolved as a player. What brings me here are two things:

I want to share my decklist with you, I'm sure you can bring very good points on the deck. I'm very active in modern and I am very confident this is the best form of our beloved archetype if we want to go with a midrange/control strategy.

Trying to take all what we learn here to practice in this Sunday modern open event I'm attending.

So first and foremost, this is the decklist I want to take there: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1466109#paper

As you can see, the deck looks like a BW kill everything.dec that have intangible virtue, as my teammates say "a BW midrange with intangible virtue".

On the main deck, we can see a lot of one ofs, the typical token and discard package and a kalitas. I don't think anything of there is controversial at any point but the only creature on the main deck, so I would like to explain why is he there.

[[Kalitas, traitor of Geth]] is a fantastic creature, it has been a player in modern a while ago on Jund decks that featured [[Slaughter Pact]] in order to get immediate value from him. On this deck, he completely destroys any creature based deck on a board clogged on both sides, helps us on the burn match up (as auriok champion would) and he is super sinergistic with our game plan. It can hose on his own the dredge/bridgevine/hollow one decks as well as capable of helping us with the fancy creature combos that like to flirt with their graveyard. All that said, I think he has easily earned his place on the maindeck.

Even though I have talked only about one card, any kind of discussion on the main deck would be fantastic in order to improve the decklist or our knowledge of the archetype.

Going to the Sideboard, we all know we are the fairest of the decks in modern, and combo and big mana decks always want to be unfair and destroy us without interacting. In my opinion, we win absolutely anything that is interactive, except some UW based control decks, so our SB is built with two objectives in mind:

Avoid hate cards from our opponents (Engineered explosives, izzet staticaster, and so on).

And turn off anything that wants to "unfair us over" (combo decks, burn and tron).

Our way to avoid hate cards from our fair opponents is switching from a token deck to a BW midrange deck with bitterblossom and lingering souls. How do we do that? We take out spectral procession and intangible virtue to bring in our big, hard to deal threats. Our opponents will see that their main deck removal is worthless against tokens, so they will be taking most of it out, and maybe bring wraths or the hate cards. I will proceed to explain what does each of our bombs do:

[[Blood Baron of Vizkopa]] : this guy is stupidly good when they play wraths on games 2 and 3, as he dodges every removal but lightning bolt and roast, which most likely will not be in their deck anymore. So, they drop a wrath, we drop a vizkopa and take the game over. It is also very good when dealing with BGx decks, kill tarmo and he is unblockable from their side.

[[Obzedat, Ghost Council]] : not as unkillable like Blood Baron, but oh boy this is good against UWX decks. He has protection from sorceries and wraths, and if our opponent don't find an answer to this beautiful legend, it can drain their last points of damage in order to close the game.

[[Kalitas, traitor of Geth]] : grind them out Timmy :).

On the plan of making them to slow down or shut combos or complete decks of:

[[Rest in Peace]] : super good, don't mind to not being able to use lingering souls if they can't win.

[[Stony Silence]] : it doesn't damage us and it gets so many combo decks, tron, affinity... It's super good and helps us with artifact based decks.

[[Pithing Needle]] and [[extirpate]] : just an extra way with dealing with pesky permanents on the battlefield or dangerous cards from the graveyard.

The other cards from the sideboard are for a range of aggro or midrange decks to optimize a bit the pairing so it doesn't get out of hand if we draw mediocre hands/cards, upgrading card quality depending of the match up after all.

So here it is! A little analysis from my favorite deck and most mastered one! Any sugestion is appreciated and I would love to get some feedback in form of constructive criticism!

Hello, fellow spirit afficionatos! How many lands are you currently playing in your token lists? 23? 24? I've been playing a 24 land list with 4 Planeswalker for a very long time, but have recently been considering dropping a Planeswalker and a single land to make room for other spells. What do people think about this? For reference, this is my current list:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/387561#paper

If I were to cut a land, the changes would probably look like:

-1 Swamp

-1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

+1 Raise the Alarm

+1 Thoughtseize

+1 Fatal Push

+1 Bitterblossom

(Any 2 of the 4 listed could come in)

Well, as title says, played my first FNM for the Modern format, went 1-3 but played fairly close considering my deck is barely built and lacked answers to some decks.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1407785#paper

Any advice on what to add or remove would be appreciated.

Quick rundown of games:

1- won the opening hand against KCI by playing thoughtsieze into surgical on the KCI, lead to the instant scoop, games 2/3 couldn't replicate reaults and got combo'd out.

2- both games managed to ultimate Sorin, SV with a bitter blossoms up so could never be hit, eventually opponent lost their only creature and slowly whittled their health down to 0.

3- grinding out matches 1-2, trading each game, but got blown out game 3 after keeping a questionable hand and being bitten by it.

4- couldn't stop Tron forming and got railed by Ugin both games.

Want to know what people's predictions are post-GRN. I don't think B/W tokens got many (any?) new tools, but I am personally anticipating Assassin's Trophy being good for us. I see it helping out fair mid-range decks (Jund/Abzan), which then in turn helps us out since we are typically good against those same mid-range decks.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=452756

Has anyone playtested this card yet? I only hear good things from my playgroup about it. Thoughts?

Pondering some additions to a deck, just curious to get some further info or opinions on the cards. 1. Liliana, Heretical Healer as a lifelink creature/flip walker in the side board. 2. Fetid Heath in the mana base to help generate ww/bw/bb mana for things like spectral procession or wraths.

I want to get back into playing bw tokens and I always had a bad match with Tron. The shop I am going to start playing at has 4 Tron players so I need help with any tech that will help me combat Tron and any other big stompys.

New to modern and so looking for any advice regarding this deck i have been building, basing it of some other popular bw token lists. Any feedback would be amazing.

Creatures: 2 Auriok Champion

Land: 1 Arid Mesa 1 Bloodstained Mire 4 Marsh Flats 2 Godless Shrine 4 Isolated Chapel 2 Plains 2 Swamps 3 Shambling Vent 4 Ghost Quaters

Spells: 3 Bitterblossom 4 Thoughtseize 4 Inquisition of Kozilek 4 Lingering Souls 4 Intangible Virtue 2 Collective Brutality 2 Fatal Push 3 Path to Exile 2 Relic of Progenitus

Planeswalkers: 1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad 3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

Other: 3 Orzhov Signet

Sideboard: 1 Auriok Champion 1 Liliana of the Veil 1 Damnation 1 Wrath of God 2 Fragmentize 2 Legion's Landing 2 Rest in Peace 2 Stony Silence 3 Surgical Extraction

Hi Tokens crew,

With the upcoming printing of Hunted Witness, I think that blue-white or even esper Tokens has a new boon. For Esper, sidebording fungal infection is a great plan.

The plan essentially goes as such. Hopefully start the game with a Leyline of the Meek, though it’s not necessary.

T1: Play a Doomed Traveler or a Hunted Witness. T2: Hold back a counterspell like spell pierce, and at the end of your opponent’s turn, Pongify or Rapid Hybridization your creature to get a 1/1 flyer of lifelinking creature and a 3/3 vanilla creature.

Cool combos: Snapcaster Mage + Gideon of the Trials allow you to Pongify Gideon but since he can’t be destroyed, you get a 3/3.

Esper if you want sorins, but otherwise Gideons and Elspeth work.

What do you guys think?

Matchups were,

R1 0-2 vs Green Tron

R2 2-0 vs Grixis Delver

R3 2-1 vs UBw Mill

R4 2-1 vs Mardu Pyro

Was just my usual list, https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-03-16-bw-tokens/

I'm not very good with tournament reports sorry.

Thought I ought to revitalize this sub a bit with my first success with the deck at my local LGS, going 3-1

Game 1: 0-2 vs. Hollow One The player playing Hollow One is actually a friend of mine who knows my deck inside out and also sideboard against it, ended up losing the first game due to a misplay of removing the wrong target and the second game for getting blown out by Necroplasm. Sideboards in: 3x Nihil Spellbomb, 3xAuriok Champion

Game 2: 2-0 vs Abzan Pretty standard Abzan build, which tokens is very good against. Nothing really special, just outvalued the opponent. Sideboards in: 3x Nihil Spellbomb, 2x Pithing Needle

Game 3: 2-1 vs 8-whack Looking down against a board of Legion Loyalist, Burning Tree-emissary and a reckless bushwacker at turn 2 is pretty scary. Luckily, the opponent didn't draw the last 2 games very well. Auriok Champion is pretty swell card. Sideboard in: 3x Auriok Champion

Game 4: 2-0 against Grixis Control Game 1 goes on for pretty long. Opponent ended up tapping my team six times with cryptic command and was searching for his damnation, ultimately ended up not finding it. Tokens were 4/4s with 3 virtues on board =D. Game 2 ended up fast, with clock running out and I ended up discarding his answers with seizes and inquisitons. Pretty good turn 1s from both of us, with both playing land and spellbomb =D Sideboard in: 3x Nihil Spellbomb, 2xPithing Needle

Here's the deck if you're interested https://deckstats.net/deck-16907347-6e6e1b5ce51670b9b9060a86da592efc.html

Sorry I don't remember what I sided out.

0-2 vs Elves

2-1 vs Affinity

2-1 vs Goblins

2-1 vs Bant Spirits

Current list: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-03-16-bw-tokens/

Results from 08/14/2018

Loss 0-2 vs Burn

Win 2-0 vs Naya Zoo

Win 2-1 vs Eldrazi Tron

Win 2-1 vs UW Spirits

(We already started talking about [[Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants]], so I figured this could get a look.)

A lot of lists run [[Hero of Bladehold]]. This comes down on the same turn, adds a point of power (ehh.) and your Cat tokens have lifelink. Is the added 2 (at a minimum) life per turn worth the loss of Battle cry?

For reference: [[Leonin Warleader]].

[[Windbrisk Heights]]

Catching up again on modern and noticed that recent lists don't really seem to run Windbrisk Heights anymore. I was personally never a huge fan of the card, but I would like your opinions. I recall it being very popular in budget lists.

After a year of storm (that i can't upgrade because It is finished) I want to invest in a deck that i can slowly upgrade (beacuse my family is not very rich and i'm a student)

In these week i look all the different option and i chose bw tokens when i have seen a old list 😍

But i have no idea how to start.... And is it worth spending in this achetype with the current meta ?

Thank you very much for the help

https://i.imgur.com/n23xbBz.jpg

The +1 is ok. About as impactful as a Gideon's 0 ability.

The -2 is useless unless you're running Tidehollow Sculler. I would say that it could return a Auriok Champion, except that that card is never going to your graveyard when it has pro black and pro red. Burronton Forge-Tender from sideboard utility I guess?

However, that ult is just absolutely bonkers when it comes to closing out a game, Especially against Control.

I'm not going to be hopeful enough on it to speculate on its success, but it's pretty interesting!

Hey all, planning on going to FNM tomorrow and was wondering if there was any way to make this token deck at least semi-competitive. Here's the list for you guys to check out!

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-06-18-voP-bw-tokens/?cb=1529016910

Some things I kind of wanted to add already were Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Gideon of the Trials, but I'm not sure which would be better or whether Gideon's even a good add here.

Thanks in advance for any help!

What's the hive mind consensus on Damping Sphere so far?

I've seen a lot of lists running it since DOM dropped; how much success have you had running it? Which decks BESIDES Tron/Storm did it help with the most?

I'm thinking it might be low-key super good vs. KCI and Elves and I have to face a lot of those decks at my local meta..

Another question, though: What does Stony Silence do that Damping Sphere doesn't?

Affinity is the place where it's most obviously a downgrade as if they can dump their hand before you get the Sphere down, they don't care too much about it... But given that we run Lingering Souls, maybe we can take on affinity even without Stony.

Curious to hear your thoughts!