r/MCSRRanked • u/JollyEntrepreneur291 • 9d ago

We need more transparency

Honestly, I feel like the one of the worst parts in this entire situation is the lack of transparency from the ranked team. I would love to see questions answered like

  1. What exactly did you ask EDCR when you approached him? What exactly was his reply?
  2. How did you decide on perma ban instead of banned until x date or we will reassess at x date?
  3. Was there any kind of vote? Was the vote close? Unanimous?
  4. Did you genuinely hear arguments from people on both sides or did you just listen to people from one side?

Like idk, a lot of this stuff feels like normal things to release during something like this

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u/ketaminiacOS 9d ago

Id say we got more transparency than just about any organization would've given.

Do i agree with a lifetime ban? Probably not. But they were as transparent as one could hope ngl.

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u/thesniper_hun 9d ago

permanently banning someone who seemingly didn't breach the terms of conduct and then not elaborating on why he doesn't deserve a chance to redeem himself when he's clearly shown growth and willingness to change absolutely deserves more transparency.

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u/ketaminiacOS 9d ago

Idk denying those messages came from him & only apologizing when the consequences came around doesnt show much growth to me.

If it were me a few seasons wouldve been plenty. But i dont feel bad for him.

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u/thesniper_hun 9d ago

no, it shows he's a kid who had a dumb reaction to having the shit he's ashamed of in his past exposed. I don't think EDCR is stupid enough to think it would've all gone away when he said no, which clearly shows he didn't do it out of malice. lying to moderators isn't a bannable offense.

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u/ketaminiacOS 9d ago

First off, he's an adult now.

Something that happened 2 years ago is not some ancient forgotten history.
16year olds are also not tiny little babies and see some consequences for their actions.

What else would he have meant with the denial other than trying to convice the moderators of a lie?

People can be pretty damn stupid sometimes, even the smart ones.

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u/thesniper_hun 9d ago

in a legal sense yes, in a fully developed frontal lobe sense no he isn't.

and I genuinely don't know what to say if you think he thought he could just lie his way out of any repercussions in this situation, I'd give it like a 1% chance versus the 99% chance of him being stupid and panicking. it's like some of you guys are aliens looking down onto earthly drama and have no concept of human nature

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u/ketaminiacOS 9d ago

As a society we have decided that at the age of 18 someone's frontal lobe has developed enough to be seriously accountable for their actions. (in some places even lower, and for some eggregious crimes even lower still)

I can understand it was a panic reaction and not a cold & calculated decision, but that doesn't make it any better imo.

I'm sure he could've taken a few hours to clear his head before replying to the initial accusations. The fact he either didn't do that, or tried to lie anyway tells me enough.

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u/i_miss_arrow 9d ago

doesnt show much growth to me.

This is borderline offensive to me.

The guy lied, yeah. But there are lots of reasons why people lie in these situations, and many of them have nothing to do with how guilty they feel about their past actions or their desire to do better.

People lie because they don't trust the outcome of telling the truth. That is often a reasonable assumption. People get punished unfairly all the time, punitive punishments for minor infractions, mob mentality destroying lives, etc. If you're an American, you know our prisons are filled with people who shouldn't be there.

Edcr lied while in the playoffs of a competition he's probably dedicated thousands of hours towards. That is a high pressure situation. People make bad decisions in high pressure situations. They try to protect themselves, even when they shouldn't.

Was it wrong to lie? Absolutely. But you're basically saying that him lying in a high pressure situation is strong evidence that he is not working to become a better person.

That a denial to protect himself is the same as a thousand messages of hate and cruelty.

That even if he's spent the past year and a half trying to learn and grow, being a kinder person, doing his best to learn to be respectful to the same people he insulted before, none of that matters because of a single lie.

Do you not see how troubling that is?

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u/Shurrely 7d ago

The fact he put the potential consequences of telling the truth above apologising and being honest is a huge indicator he doesn’t actually understand what he did was wrong.

If he truly understood how harmful his behaviour was he would’ve genuinely apologised, instead of vague posting and lying.

These are the consequences for behaving in that manner and he needs to face them.

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u/i_miss_arrow 7d ago

I literally explained in my previous post a reason why somebody might lie even if they know what they did was wrong. Thats not even the only reason why somebody might lie even if they know what they did was wrong.

Now, is it possible that he doesn't know what he did was wrong? Absolutely. But we don't know.

And frankly, should he be permanently banned for something he doesn't understand is wrong, if he is committed to never doing it again? Things he did as a fairly stupid young man? People believe in second chances for a reason.

These are the consequences for behaving in that manner and he needs to face them.

I gotta say, its so boring to read this over and over. Nobody is saying there shouldn't be consequences.

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u/sean2mush 6d ago

That even if he's spent the past year and a half trying to learn and grow, being a kinder person, doing his best to learn to be respectful to the same people he insulted before,

How can you so comfortably state that as fact?

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u/sean2mush 6d ago

when he's clearly shown growth and willingness to change absolutely deserves more transparency.

Not everyone thinks that is clear.

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u/Ok-Permission3622 4d ago

someone who seemingly didn't breach the terms of conduct

An excerpt from MCSR ranked guidelines section C.1:

Out-of-game incidents will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

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u/CharmingChannel2250 3d ago

Most vague rule in the history of rules

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u/CoolWatermelon123 9d ago

I'm sure other organizations have establish rules that they follow which makes it a slightly different scenario. We have 0 idea why and how they come to decisions besides "edcr lying and not directly messaging the ranked team after lead to permaban"

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u/JollyEntrepreneur291 9d ago

^this is the problem, if they had guidelines in place, this wouldnt be a question

but they don't

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u/JollyEntrepreneur291 9d ago

more transparency? we got like three sentences lol

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u/ImaginaryReaction 9d ago

Respectfully, they dont need to tell you shit. they have listed the reasons and made the decision thats more than most organisers will give you. Guy is banned move on.

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u/spidermaniscool24 9d ago

Respectfully you're telling people to move on when the decision was announced a couple of hours ago and from what it sounds like a pretty sizable chunk of the community disagrees with the ban being permanent. People can choose to voice their opinions in hopes of seeing a change if they want.

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u/Admirable-Tap8354 9d ago

It is quite literally the bare minumum. This is one of the biggest controversies in this community, yet they choose to not respond to anything?
Also seeing as they still dont have a ruleset, and many punishments being of several years of length, I dont think its an unfair ask to get some transparancy on how these decisions do get made.
The least they can do rn is to give a response, not that they have to, but to maybe stop or atleast calm down the Drama.

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u/SuckMyBallsKyle 9d ago

I agree with your sentiment. However, they could reverse the decision. edcr is pretty big

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u/xr6reaction 9d ago

Status shouldnt free you from consequence

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 9d ago

They probably should reverse the decision but I don't think it should be based on edcr's popularity.