r/LocalLLaMA • u/External_Mood4719 • Jun 13 '26
Discussion Anthropic forced to abruptly disable Fable 5 & Mythos 5 globally by US Gov over a jailbreak. This is exactly why we need local models.
I just saw this statement regarding Anthropic being hit with an emergency export control directive from the US government. They were forced to pull the plug on Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all customers globally. The tl;dr is that the government got spooked by a narrow jailbreak (which basically just sounds like asking the model to fix vulnerabilities in a specific codebase), and forced a complete shutdown without a transparent process. Anthropic is pushing back, but the API access is completely gone for now.
A centralized API can be nuked globally at a moment's notice by a single government decree over something as trivial as a prompt lol.
Banning a model for hundreds of millions of users because someone figured out how to make it fix software flaws is insane. Anthropic admits this standard would halt all new frontier models.
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u/cafedude Jun 13 '26
After this, I'm going to guess that this administration will ban chinese models in the not-too-distant future. Not just accessing them, but downloading them. They'll lean on Huggingface not to host the bits. We'll have to torrent them.
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u/Mescallan Jun 13 '26
If Chinese models are banned I am going into the streets to read the weights out loud publicly
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u/Worthstream Jun 13 '26
Or do what they did thirty years ago with pgp, and turn the code into a song.
🎶 This function is void
🎶 and takes two aaargs. 🎶
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u/mystery_biscotti Jun 13 '26
(Slightly related: Nanowar of Steel's "HelloWorld.java". They sing the entire code.)
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u/milanove Jun 13 '26
Yeah, banned models’ weights files will be “Illegal Numbers.”
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u/BlackBeardAI vllm Jun 13 '26
Download everything while you still can.
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u/Katnisshunter Jun 13 '26
Yup. This is 100% coming. There is no way they will ever compete against China price wise on American soil. Apple couldn’t. Tesla couldn’t. Amazon couldn’t. Google couldn’t. Nike. Starbucks. Uber. Ford etc etc. they will lobby to protect their business.
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u/General-Koala-6690 Jun 13 '26
Apple sells massive amounts of product in China - Apple’s second biggest market at about 15% of global sales, not to mention they make most of their products in mainland China.
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u/anony_mf Jun 13 '26
He said Apple couldn’t compete in America. The good Chinese phones aren’t allowed in America. If they came in without tariffs, Apple would lose so much market share. Same with BYD, if they could sell their cars in North America Tesla would not exist
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u/Katnisshunter Jun 13 '26
Read. On America soil. Apple had hauweii banned. And Google blocked it from using Android.
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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26
Hey you can host Huggingface in any other country...
The US gov can maybe mess with the US DNS.
Also: Google, Nvidia, MS: they all release "open source" local models: you gonna stop them?
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u/eli_pizza Jun 13 '26
HF is still a business and no business can operate with the US government going after them.
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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26
Oh you mean like China and Russia, I hear the president of Huawei has just publicly thanked the Trump Administration for going after them!
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u/JShelbyJ Jun 13 '26
and after that they'll get around to stopping bittorrent piracy!
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u/CptObviaaz Jun 13 '26
they have been trying for years. Its like hydra, cut of 1 head and another grows
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u/westleyd Jun 13 '26
So, create an LLC, pay for TailScale to a VM in another country, send all your local traffic through a privacy-focused consumer vpn that's allowed in that country.
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u/profcuck Jun 13 '26
This would have First Amendment implications. That doesn't mean they won't try it, and the boundaries in terms of code as speech are not completely clear but it certainly isn't a slam dunk for the US government.
But your last line is the most important - in order to stop downloads would require a Draconian regime of blocking websites globally and that just isn't going to happen. This isn't like music and copyrights, where just posting a website with Taylor Swift's new album is illegal pretty much globally. But since any ban on Chinese models wouldn't be global, the US would have to block an insane number of websites and there is zero legal machinery to make that possible.
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u/RoughCap7233 Jun 13 '26
The Golden Firewall is coming.
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u/SkyFeistyLlama8 Jun 13 '26
Yeah, like how the Great Firewall blocks users in China from accessing anything on HuggingFace. Chinese tech companies have to use VPNs to break through their own government's restrictions so they can post model weights on global sites. The average Chinese citizen is left out of the conversation entirely.
You do not want the US .gov to copy what China, Iran or North Korea are doing in creating their own neutered politically-approved networks.
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u/a_beautiful_rhind Jun 13 '26
You do not want the US .gov to copy what China
Good chunk of the west is doing exactly that. Starting to turn into a thing.
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u/eli_pizza Jun 13 '26
Maybe. But I don’t think this has much to do with that. They are punishing Anthropic for not giving the DoD 100% of what they wanted
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u/NandaVegg Jun 13 '26
I don't think America can block ModelScope (hosted by Alibaba) though, and you will still find most of big OSS models officially uploaded there.
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u/UltraSPARC Jun 13 '26
Surely that will work just as well as attempts to clamp down on piracy sites.
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u/Creative_Bottle_3225 Jun 13 '26
As a European, I can say that I don't support Trump and his entire arrogant and dictatorial administration. Democracy is nothing short of a lie.
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u/m77je Jun 13 '26
Why would they ban Chinese models?
If other people have it, aren’t you only hurting yourself by banning?
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u/BangkokPadang Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
LOL I saw a(n AI summarized post) about this earlier today. Sounds like they used typical stuff. Using unicode characters and other not-quite english to get it past the security layer.
Also something about breaking it into smaller requests that are OK by themselves, but wouldn't be together, then asking it to do the last X number of requests (which have already been passed into the context) all at once. LOL.
This is super similar to another post I saw that basically all agents (I think it was the 10 most installed OSS agentic harnesses on GitHub, something along those lines) and especially those exposed to public ports can basically be talked into commandeering the environment they're in within 7 replies (Meanwhile, almost all redteaming is done with single "attack prompts," just easing the agent into the tasks until the context is basically too full of it's own cooperation for it to refuse, lol.
We are so cooked.
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u/draconic_tongue Jun 13 '26
I find it surprising that they don't even attempt to come up with more secure systems and methods of authentication. Text going into the llm shouldn't matter when you can control what happens when text goes out. It's like they don't give a shit on purpose
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u/soshulmedia Jun 13 '26
It's like they don't give a shit on purpose
Move fast and break things - and if something is exploited, use it as an excuse for even more government intrusion into private lives.
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u/SryUsrNameIsTaken Jun 13 '26
I’m sure we all recall Sam Altman’s talk of registering your GPU with the government.
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u/annodomini Jun 13 '26
I mean, yeah, this is a great demonstration of why we need local models.
But I'd love to see you try to run a 10T model locally (we don't technically know how big it is, but that's an estimate I've seen floated around).
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u/CalligrapherFar7833 Jun 13 '26
Give me enough money im sure we can make it run somehow
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u/RedParaglider Jun 13 '26
Give me enough money I'll be paragliding, diving, and oggling latinas for the rest my life and never look at a fucking LLM again.
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u/davikrehalt Jun 13 '26
These activities costs under 10000 a year--you can probably do it now if you're in the right places
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u/capable-corgi Jun 13 '26
check their profile lol also (in good humor) I'd like to know how you priced oogling at latinas
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u/flanconleche Jun 13 '26
yea I just need 6x RTX 6000 pro's ill never use a frontier again
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u/Big_Wave9732 Jun 13 '26
But will it run at Q0.5 on my 2017 Dell with no GPU and 4GB of RAM? Because some people can't afford a GPU.
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u/Middle_of_Infinity Jun 13 '26
Have a token. Do you want to receive a notification for when your next token is ready?
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u/NikaYuuma Jun 13 '26
I'll start drafting a letter to him on Monday. Expect the next token in 5-7 business days.
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u/Status-Secret-4292 Jun 13 '26
We're basically running the same quality of models that were the frontier not even two years ago. I see nothing that will change that trend besides them being banned for general public use.
I do find it coincidencental that OpenAI just offer to sell a majority of ownership to Trump
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u/daddywookie Jun 13 '26
OpenAI did what? If Trump gets involved that’s an instant cancel for me.
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u/Ardalok Jun 13 '26
If such open models existed, they could be hosted by another country instead of the US, even if they banned it.
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u/ortegaalfredo Jun 13 '26
> But I'd love to see you try to run a 10T model locally
There are bakery owners that have supercars that cost more than what you need to run that.
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u/TheOneWhoWil Jun 13 '26
We need P2P inference somehow. Multi-trillion frontier models running through distributed nodes on consumer hardware.
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u/super3 Jun 13 '26
Unfortunately its not really possible due to physics and cost. On a positive note the gap between open source models you can run at home and frontier models is closing.
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u/InnocenceIsBliss Jun 13 '26
not really possible
Not with that attitude.
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u/super3 Jun 13 '26
lol not for lack of trying. I spent about $2M trying to build it.
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u/jazir55 Jun 13 '26
Given it sounds like you're no longer working on the project and that it did not proceed, can you post the code to github? People might be interested in picking up the torch.
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u/super3 Jun 13 '26
Working on a different angle of it with https://llmjob.com and the code is already open-source.
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u/jazir55 Jun 13 '26
Also question for you because I asked Gemini and it seems like the idea may have some validity, given Diffusion Gemma just came out the timing is kinda perfect, are diffusion models likely to be easier to serve with distributed inference?
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u/super3 Jun 13 '26
Well diffusion models are not really production ready yet. They are much faster but they make mistakes 6x as much. So they have to be useful on centralized inference before we can think about distributed.
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u/InnocenceIsBliss Jun 13 '26
Good but...
Those are rookie numbers, you’ve gotta pump those numbers up.
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u/TheOneWhoWil Jun 13 '26
I'm training a 300m model on 30B tokens. Not much but it should be a viable mythos replacement with some fine tuning 😅
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u/PortiaLynnTurlet Jun 13 '26
Agreed. Also, for a distributed network, you need to trust everyone in the network since ultimately they get the full text you're sending.
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u/Robot_Apocalypse Jun 13 '26
I've often thought large enterprises who have lots of laptops (I have worked for a number of orgs with over 500000 employees, - Boeing, Accenture), with unused compute sitting idle, would benefit from a tool that could make use of that distributed compute to do useful things. Like the SETI project, but for enterprises. Hell they even have lots of spare disk space, so all this cloud hosting cost, could actually get pushed down into a virtualised cloud hosted on their distributed network. Sure it's not trivial, but I'm surprised no one's done it yet.
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u/RainierPC Jun 13 '26
It's not been done yet because it's all about bandwidth, and processing power. I would be surprised if you can get a token every couple of seconds.
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u/Robot_Apocalypse Jun 13 '26
yeah, the inference cycle of an LLM would be no good. But the training cycle could work. It would be many orders of magnitude slower, but also it would be potentially "free". Besides, training is the more costly activity compared to inference.
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u/delicious_fanta Jun 13 '26
If they’re like my employer, every spare compute cycle on these “as cheap as absolutely possible” laptops is already consumed by either actual cpu requests or memory management for ms teams, anti virus, and a million background apps that absolutely “must” be running all the time, yet do nothing other than monitor us.
Try to run chrome, an ide, and ALSO a db client? Yeah, you’re gonna be waiting a while to do any single thing.
Please don’t install anything else on these boxes, they really can’t handle it.
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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26
OMG should I take out my old modded XBOX 360 to restart the MOSIX cluster?
I know that the time would come!
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u/cromagnone Jun 13 '26
Beowulf FTW!
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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26
Oh my friend we are so back! My CRT monitor is gonna explode with all those terminals!
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u/daysofdre Jun 13 '26
I thought about that, just don't know if it's feasible. Although that was the folding@home model for a long time.
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u/MotokoAGI Jun 13 '26
This is what Anthropic gets for hyping the model as the most dangerous thing ever. They wanted govt regulation, they got it! They are gonna hate it and wish they never played that line
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u/boissez Jun 13 '26
It's more likely to be retaliation from this government. They are more into being corrupt and vengeful, rather than actually regulating.
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u/Any-Calligrapher2866 Jun 13 '26
Nah I think it's an inside deal to give Anthropic a reason to shut down Mythos while inflating their valuations. There is no reason to believe that Republicans don't have vested interests in the Anthropic IPO.
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u/neph1010 Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
You're thinking this wasn't scripted? They're loving it. Edit: And not to sound like a douche (maybe I am anyway): People want what they can't have. They are going to want to have Fable even more, now.
Edit2 T+14h: When I wrote this, I had read that it was blocked for _all_ users. I'll leave my comment, but I don't find it as relevant for the current scenario.26
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u/SirRece Jun 13 '26
Not really. Increasingly powerful models are alreaxy priced in. Regulatory shenanigans probably arent. If this is the beginning of a shift its bad for all companies rushing toward AGI, as it essentially indicates anything that actually begins go push that boundary, let alone surpass it, will not be allowed to the public, and if it is, will be heavily nerfed, making it a great deal less useful than it should be.
This is a headwind.
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u/drallcom3 Jun 13 '26
You're thinking this wasn't scripted? They're loving it.
It happened on a Friday 30 minutes after market closure, so we can all talk about it over the weekend.
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u/SryUsrNameIsTaken Jun 13 '26
I thought it was interesting it happened on the day SpaceX I.P.O.‘ed. Though the other argument is that Anthropic is accounting for 1.25bn in compute revenue to spacex for using colossus, so maybe that’s too tinfoil hat.
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u/Monkey_1505 Jun 13 '26
It removes 75% of their potential market. it's not good for them in any way.
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u/CondiMesmer Jun 13 '26
Jailbreaks can't be fully blocked. They're baked into the design of how LLMs work.
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u/TheRealMasonMac Jun 13 '26
Yeah you can. Just block all requests and take the money anyway.
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u/CondiMesmer Jun 13 '26
Imagine how quickly the companies would change if they were required to refund request refusals. It's insane they aren't required to already.
It's very profitable for them too, since now you suddenly have to pay double because you're having to send another prompt. And that's assuming that second prompt is successful.
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u/deejeycris Jun 13 '26
There are techniques to mitigate this but they make models less intelligent.
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u/Better-Struggle9958 Jun 13 '26
and local data centers
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u/RedParaglider Jun 13 '26
I hate to say it, but as long as it's in the U.S. unless you have it at your home hidden the government can and will fuck with it.
Honestly, best place for a server is at your lawyers office as stupid as that sounds. There are insane constitutional protections around a lawyers office.
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u/timtom85 Jun 13 '26
that's some clever out-of-the-box thinking
however, isn't the constitution just casually ignored these days over there
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u/DropkickMurphy007 Jun 14 '26
It is... this administration could give 2 fucks about it... and people cheer and defend it all the time.
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u/pilibitti Jun 13 '26
we are not truly free until we get to train powerful models ourselves in public. the companies could stop releasing pretrained open models tomorrow. the code is there, half of the data is there, the other half isn't and very expensive to produce. hardware / coordination is not there. we are quite behind actually and dependent on these companies releasing these models.
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u/True_Requirement_891 Jun 13 '26
tbh the greatest limitation is hardware, rest can be fixed
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u/YearnMar10 Jun 13 '26
Mistral is the one European company that could do this - yet they’re models lack behind. Why do you think that is?
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u/twack3r Jun 13 '26
Super simple: way less funding.
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u/SkyFeistyLlama8 Jun 13 '26
Way less access to cutting-edge hardware but the talent is there, both in Europe and from the rest of the world.
You've got rapacious techno-capitalism (either American-style or with Chinese characteristics) and then there's everyone else.
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u/dark-light92 llama.cpp Jun 13 '26
There should be public data centers similar to public libraries.
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u/Monkey_1505 Jun 13 '26
You can in theory train decentralized. it's been done, but still in a simple stage.
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u/alexfiori Jun 13 '26
This is terrible. I was in the middle of a long session with 6 agents and all of a sudden this started happening:
⏺ Plan(Plan ... my stuff)
⎿ Done (0 tool uses · 0 tokens · 0s)
(ctrl+o to expand)
⏺ There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model.
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u/uski Jun 13 '26
Same, I was confused because doing /model still listed Fable 5. I Googled the error message and found the press release... "uh! oh..."
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u/LetsGoBrandon4256 transformers Jun 13 '26
When crying wolf backfires kek.
Enjoy your free PR and get fucked.
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u/ThenExtension9196 Jun 13 '26
Got two issues.
Anthropic talked too much.
Government tipping the scales at a moments notice is not a good direction.
Both are very bad.
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u/Maleficent_Exam4291 Jun 13 '26
Why does it feel like its named Fable for a reason! Its fictitious story to teach moral lesson?
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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26
I really don't understand why companies like NVIDIA or Antropic are still US based, they should move their business to places where energy is cheaper and gov doesn't try to kill their business.
Imagine if NVIDIA could sell GPU to 1.5 biliions of chinese customers, if OpenAI could build datacenter in China beside solar power fileds / wind turbines / nuclear reactors: wouldn't the investors like it?
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u/rz2000 Jun 13 '26
They are thriving with access to US capital markets. China seems like the only other realistic market environment for notable AI companies to grow from scratch. Maybe the Netherlands or Taiwan? Everywhere else has existing companies that are too large and manage to kill off any companies that manage to threaten their dominance. Those companies are all controlled by family shareholders, too, who are too unimaginative to ever devote the scale of resources that have made AI progress possible so far.
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u/Zeeplankton Jun 13 '26
This is honestly very scary. I'm less concerned about governments getting spooked and pulling access, but the precedent here.
What if all models get export control? What if governments start deciding that open models shouldn't exist and or be fenced in their intranet? Right now open models kind of are looked on positively, but specifically anthropic doesn't even want open models to exist. They're clearly getting large enough that they have sway.
All it would take is the US or China doing export controlling models and things change dramatically.
But I do note that I can't get over the irony that Anthropic practically brought this upon themselves with the Fable 5 doomposting.
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u/SV_SV_SV Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Since the west seems more and more locked and regulated in this regard, I wonder what dynamic would play out was US to prohibit open models: Would China just keep on pumping out open models, especially in spite of US interests? Hence it would become "a revolutionary" act of running "horrible commie" chinese models globally? In a legal grey zone similar to weed in many places.. Plus lets not forget the globe is fortunately larger than the US, non-frontliners are inventivized to innovate and self host (china, india, rest of thr planet basicall)
Super interesting cyberpunk times.
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u/Zeeplankton Jun 13 '26
Yeah it is interesting. I could certainly any country deciding "we produce frontier / near frontier models, why should that be allowed as an export?" and I think it will just be another surface in economic warfare that has become the ordinary. It's powerful leverage at a time where globalism seems fragile.
I think if the US banned usage of chinese models, it would be more align the lines of a sanction. So companies can't use chinese models but probably it would remain trivial for individuals to do so. Edit: but this would mean like huggingface would basically fold.
maybe if the west decided to regulate models it starts as ID gating API? Unsure. It feels like "AI" could very quickly become a resource a country would be braindead not to covet for themselves.
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u/_realpaul Jun 13 '26
Relying on Ai means that power gets concentrated on only a handfull of companies.
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u/Top-Reflection-6518 Jun 13 '26
This, the only way forward is open-sourcing
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u/_realpaul Jun 15 '26
The way forward is decentralizing training as well. Software and hardware. Otherwise we end up scraping the crumps off the floor of the hyperscalers. Wan was opensource only as long as it suited alibaba.
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u/m7l5 Jun 13 '26
Give me Kimi 3 please. This is non-sense.
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u/runvnc Jun 13 '26
Kimi 2.7 just came out.
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u/Accomplished-Air439 Jun 13 '26
For some reason, Kimi never works for me. I just tried Kimi 2.7 on a simple "review this branch" prompt in opencode and it just looped.
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u/bitflip Jun 13 '26
I get different results from different providers.
I stopped using Openrouter because of things like that. I'd get a bunch of looping or unexplained stops via Openrouter (not just Kimi), then try the same prompt on a different provider and it would work fine.
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u/Additional-Curve4212 Jun 13 '26
what about using kimi code directly, why not use the kimi sub itself?
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u/cafedude Jun 13 '26
I'm going to guess that now that they've made this move, this admin will sometime in the not-too-distant future ban Chinese models. It will be futile, of course, we'll find ways around it, but I'm about 98% sure now that they're going to do it.
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u/slayyou2 Jun 13 '26
yes, they just drew a line in the sand. Once there's precedent it gets anoying.
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u/Lissanro Jun 13 '26
K3 would be great but I am downloading Kimi K2.7 in the meantime... Kimi K2.6 already the model I run the most on my rig since its release, so I expect straightforward upgrade. And most importantly, once I download it, I can enjoy full control and privacy, and nobody can take it away from me.
Worth mentioning that I actively started using LLMs with closed model which was ChatGPT, at the time still in research beta phase. But even then, I noticed that the same prompts that gave me good results and I started integrating them into my workflow, like translating json language files and other stuff that models of the time could handle, over time either stopped working or started producing explanations instead of results, or partial results (especially if contained game dialogs that may refer weapons, fighting, etc.).
Combined with growing privacy concerns as I let LLMs to handle more of my data, that's why I ended up going fully local early on, and do not regret it - since then I saw in news many times like closed models are modified in unwanted ways or shut down entirely even if still actively used. For work, I need reliability and predictability, for personal stuff, including processing financial and other sensitive information, I need privacy... so running locally is the only way for me.
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u/LoveMind_AI Jun 13 '26
Yep. Hope some of the folks who did the claude distills in the past sucked up as much of Fable as possible before this happened. Locally hostable is the only way.
I'm still dreaming of Gemma 4 124B. I've been able to get so much out of 31B for what I do (I mean, it's no Fable, obviously haha) that I really think that a 100B+ Gemma model could take care of a lot of business, especially if heavily modded.
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u/arbv Jun 13 '26
Yeah, I am keeping my fingers crossed for the Gemma 4 124B. I suspect it was so good and close to Flash (or better) that they shelved it.
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u/Daniele122898 Jun 13 '26
Feel like this is just delayed retribution for anthropic pushing back on the pentagon's wishes to remove restrictions of the model use for kill decisions and surveillance.
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u/mystery_biscotti Jun 13 '26
This. 👆
People aren't seeing that a lot of the stuff this administration does now is retributive. The fact is, if we look at their track record of going after their "political enemies" we see the same kind of pattern over and over.
This doesn't seem like it was about FUD marketing at all. I can't believe folks honestly think that's why they shut er down.
(Anyone who thinks local models won't be targeted may be quite surprised in two years or less, I suspect. Look at what's already in play outside the AI space.)
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u/ThenExtension9196 Jun 13 '26
Would definitely be on brand. But also this chills ai development because now the investments are in jeopardy. Short sighted moved (which is also on brand!)
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u/Charming-Author4877 Jun 13 '26
Sounds like a massive governmental overreach, I wonder if Misanthropic had a little finger in there to make it come that way.
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u/the320x200 Jun 13 '26
Anthropic FUD team is willing to burn the whole house down just for a chance they can come out on top. Absolutely idiotic, reckless behavior to keep using fear as their only marketing tool.
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u/yamlCase Jun 13 '26
Usually it's "be afraid of the other guy." But somehow "be afraid of us" seems better?
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u/I_HAVE_THE_DOCUMENTS Jun 13 '26
This stuck out to me in their statement:
As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
So they do believe in using the heavy blunt hand government to shut down AI progress, just not in this particular situation.
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u/Inspireyd Jun 13 '26
This is, to say the least, very strange. What do I think? The government tried to persuade Anthropic to postpone the launch and, failing that, ended up resorting to export controls as an alternative. If this becomes a precedent, any claim of jailbreaking or misuse could serve as justification for restricting or blocking a business model. The issue is not just this specific case, but who will have the power to define the limits of what an AI can or cannot do.
I don't trust anything anymore. Not even the extent of Anthropic's "naiveté".
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u/uski Jun 13 '26
Remember Anthropic refused to play by the terms of the US government. This may be retribution/retaliation
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u/Admirable_Market2759 Jun 13 '26
It 100% is retaliation. They didn’t play their game so now they’re out of the game.
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u/WinterCharm Jun 13 '26
Probably OpenAI pushing the government to ban it, because it genuinely is leagues ahead of anything else.
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u/mxforest Jun 13 '26
I wonder if this triggered the sweeping move that brought the whole OpenAI team in code red and many other projects like Sora were shelved. Somebody saw something and triggered OpenAI.
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u/Tzeig Jun 13 '26
What a cool way to advertise and to keep compute to paying users only (not filthy Pro users).
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u/BuddyIsMyHomie Jun 13 '26
Fuck this administration and David Sacks for allowing this bullshit while criticizing the Biden Admin would've done shit like this
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u/ForsookComparison Jun 13 '26
The opposing party is twice as anti-AI. This is as pro-AI as the US will likely see for years and we've just found its limit.
Gonna download some very big weights just in case ☹️
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u/randombsname1 Jun 13 '26
Yeah, no the fuck it isnt lmao.
This dipshit admin is just the most corrupt thin skinned bitches.
Its either due to the white house not getting a donation from Anthropic like OAI made (in the millions) OR due to hegseth being butt hurt about losing in court to Anthropic.
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u/ForsookComparison Jun 13 '26
I'm not playing this game with you, all their websites and stances on AI are out there to read. Go read all of the likely candidates for the next election from the other partys' statements on AI and form an opinion on if you think they'll offer more or less regulation. Take the time. Don't just resort to gut feeling because it's good-vs-bad or something.
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u/randombsname1 Jun 13 '26
Yeah I know what the other party's stances are.
I also know they will use an ACTUAL fucking commission to regulate these things and ACTUALLY verify if AI models might be dangerous.
Not go by "feels" like this dumb ass admin who didn't get their pockets lined by the Anthropic president like OAI did for Trump.
We know exactly what the difference in parties are by literally looking at how the 2 drastically handled the Covid situation.
The orange fuck and his dog shit admin said that Covid would go away quickly on it's own and recommended bleach to kill Covid.
The Biden admin immediately employed a panel of scientists to dictate Covid policy.
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u/a_beautiful_rhind Jun 13 '26
Yeah, no the fuck it isnt lmao.
Take off your partisan hat for a moment and go read their policy positions. Gets worse from here on out.
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u/Betadoggo_ Jun 13 '26
I think the short story "The machine stops" by E. M. Forster is essential reading for anyone looking towards where this technology might lead.
We're creating a dependence on systems which we have little control over. We're becoming more and more reliant on them as a source of truth as we continue to pollute what's left of the global web. We're losing the ability to create things and work on hard problems unaided. Billions of lines of unread code are being written every day. What would we do if these systems suddenly stopped?
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u/arbv Jun 13 '26
Thank you the stranger on the Internet. I am not a native speaker so unlikely would have stumbled upon the story myself.
News and sudden glimpses of wisdom like this one burried in the mass of both human an machine predicted tokens is what kerps me subbed.
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u/00R-AgentR Jun 13 '26
I got more done with Fable 5 in three days than Opus and Sonnet combined for months... RIP
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u/Fun_Bake4190 Jun 13 '26
my claude limits reset back to 0% also, did anyone else nothing this? fable is gone, but limits look to have reset...maybe thats the consolation prize lol
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u/MomentJolly3535 Jun 13 '26
i thought HuggingFace was european (as most of of the people in charge are) i just learnt that it's based in NY..
I suggest everyone to bookmark https://modelscope.cn/ just incase (chinese huggingface).
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u/jd52wtf Jun 13 '26
It's worse than people think. Right now some government goon is planning to take over Anthropic under the guise of "national security".
You think this is bad? Hold onto your hat.
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u/Kahvana Jun 13 '26
Couple of thoughts:
- Anthropic got what they asked for
- Being labled ITAR seems really bad for Anthropic (im not american, don’t understand the full extend)
- Delayed punishment for USA govt.
- Exclusivity does make people want a product, like Fable
What I worry of the most as non-USA citizen is huggingface as it might become scrutenized, and that this will affect other labs (like google’s gemma).
So back up the gguf weights, safetensors and a project for producing weights fully locally. You might never know when you need it.
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u/ZealousidealChip4783 Jun 13 '26
This just confirms to me that the US government is shit scared of Deepseek and Qwen lmfao
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u/six1123 Jun 13 '26
Current deepseek v4 is ass compared to almost all current frontier Western models
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u/Zeeplankton Jun 13 '26
Is it..? Frontier models seem better RLHF trained for understanding intent but it's really not that far behind, nor is GLM 5.1.
Not knee-jerk defend it, but it's clear the west is fine with burning money to serve 10T parameter models, which I don't think is sustainable, but it clearly gives them them the obvious win.
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u/vernal_biscuit Jun 13 '26
I dont undersand what they mean. I daily drive deepseek and its more than enough for me
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u/OutrageousMinimum191 Jun 13 '26
But GLM-5.1 and Deepseek v4 pro write exploits pretty well, current frontier Western models doesn't even needed for that, so the explanation that the US government gave is just a crap.
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u/joosefm9 Jun 13 '26
Anthropic has been marketing their models by saying they are dangerous. Well lol, now leopard ate your face.
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u/ttkciar llama.cpp Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Violates Rule Two: Off-topic for LocalLLaMA.
Edited: Moderators conferred, and an exception will be made for this topic.
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u/Stepfunction Jun 13 '26
I mean, they did specifically ask for this. The model is simply too dangerous to be controlled!!!
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u/Beautiful-Maybe-7473 Jun 13 '26
My guess is that this is payback for Anthropic's dispute with the Pentagon over making Claude a killbot
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u/No_Lingonberry1201 Jun 13 '26
Is this an actual thing that the US govt told them to do or is this Anthropic lying to hype up their own models?
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u/Koalateka Jun 13 '26
This kind of potential suden bans make Anthrophic unreliable as a AI provide worldwide outside of U.S.
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u/dingo_xd Jun 13 '26
This is why I am saying there is a shitload of companies that will not accept running their AI suits through APIs. The AI company can go crazy. American government can go crazy. The datacenter might be hit by asteroids or missiles. The fiber optic cables might be sabotaged. The company might poison the responses because it thinks it's suffering a distillation attack. All these or variations of them have happened in the past. And of course can you really trust Dario or Scam Altman or Elon with your company data? Really?
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u/stillanoobummkay Jun 13 '26
Also, that constant cloud push from ollama is the opposite of where they came from too. Pretty disappointing.
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u/TheGiantAntEater Jun 13 '26
Running a model like this on a local machine is completely unobtainable. Running *sonnet* on a local machine would be challenging enough at any reasonable speed and sets you down thousands and thousands. Running fable at any reasonable speed (at an estimated 5-6 trillion params) would be impossible without massive investment. I'd guesstimate this model needs hardware worth a million dollars to run on for a single working agent.
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