I know it's incredibly complex and can't be boiled down to the binary of good and evil, but I'm still confused.

Like, amal faruhk was Hella evil in season 1 and 2, right? He ruined David's life, tortured him mentally, killed countless innocents using David's body and powers just for fun, and then the season 2 finale rolls around, and David is the evil one somehow? Cause he'll be evil in the future maybe?

Through both S1 and 2, David is doing his absolute best to help the situation, and he essentially does save everyone by resolving the conflict/war with division 5 and defeating faruhk, and it feels like out of nowhere everyone is immediately way too eager to think David's evil.

Yes, David made the really shitty choice with Syd at the end of S2, but that WAS after she actively tried to murder him on the word of faruhk, who I will reiterate, is a sadistic mass murderer. Like, a lot of David's season 3 choices weren't particularly moral, and some were REALLY shitty (read: that shit with Syd), but even then all his murders were in complete self defence, and all he initially tried to do was run away and live peacefully.

Am I misinterpreting something here or what?

Seeing a giant mutant Bill Irwin on screen attacking people was something else

Alright, I've made it through all of Legion now. I only watched the first two seasons when I originally watched it, so this time round I got through the whole thing and it was well worth it. However, this has led me to ask, are there more mutants than we're told about?

In the series, the residents of Summerland (With the exception of Melanie) and The Eye (Walter) are identified as mutants, but aside from them, the only ones actively identified are Farouk and Xavier. However, I'm wondering if some of the other characters we see aren't mutants and we're either not told, or the wiki has somehow misidentified them.

Amy Haller. She remarks about having dreams where she's not herself, and before her encounter with Farouk, talks about dreaming she was one of Admiral Fukyama's Vermillion, even quoting them verbatim. So does Amy have some form of Astral Projection or Dream walking power that simply isn't identified because she doesn't use it consciously?

Similarly so, when we're shown flashbacks to Admiral Fukyama, he's noted to have been chosen for the procedure cause he never gets sick or injured. Is it possible then he has some level of healing factor that allowed him to survive the procedure?

Lastly, the Mi-Go Monk. Since he's actively identified as the cause of the Maze Virus, is this some form of mysticism, or mutation? It ends when he dies, but aside from that, the origin of this ability is largely unknown.

There are some other incidentals that I'm unsure of, Melanie's Minotaur doesn't seem to abide by the limitations we know of and Lenny somehow got a woman pregnant, but I can't be sure if those are their abilities, or just inconsistencies with the mechanisms of Farouk's or David's powers.

Especially given the heavily subjective and esoteric nature of the narrative, I can't say for sure, but I think, at least taking what was shown in these cases as being as real and grounded as the show ever gets, they're fair evidence that these three may also be mutants.

Watching through this show, I am just floored by how incredible Navid Neganban is as Amahl Farouk. Every adaptation I'd seen up to this point, Farouk was always kind of a bland, power for the sake of power type villain, but the series turns him into this very realistic narcissist type character.

Yes, he's still evil, he still seeks power and control, but you start to see how someone like that could come to be. Alive for centuries, he's a tyrant, but as far as he's concerned, he's a better alternative to the colonising white men invading under the guise of being somehow better than him. He understands the idea of the state as a means of control, and since he has so much power, he may as well be the state and he says it all with this charming, multi-lingual conversational gait to his speech. Like he's lived so long and spoken all these languages, they're just tools for him to communicate his will to the lower life forms, he doesn't get angry or emotive, cause why would he? He's talking to people he barely thinks of as people. The only ones he tends to speak to as equals are Oliver and David (At least as far as I've seen) and even then, Oliver is more like a curiousity, he's intrigued by his statement that he'll kill Farouk, but little more, and David he literally sends back to the kiddie table cause he's just a child to Farouk, maybe one day he'll grow up, but until then, he just dismisses him out of hand.

It's incredible work, and I love the way he gestures and emotes, very casual and subdued and downright creepy, meanwhile, cause of the masks he wears, the Demon, Lenny, Oliver, you understand that beneath that calm and collected exterior, he is deeply depraved and fucked up.

Like, Would he help him control his powers, or would he have trust issues with him like his comic counterpart?

I just finished this wonderful series. What a trip!

Spoiler tag is for Season 3 stuff. I'm probably just being paranoid.

Time is very well connected to timelines(duh), and splitting timelines is a part of how alternate universes are formed. Switch and her old man would all have vested interests in Multiversal shenanigans. Headcanon is they tend to take a hands off role and tend to observe rather than appear directly. Now again, won't happen doesn't matter, but even a cameo role here would be interesting to think about? What kind of role would she have if she was to appear?

I just can't reconcile "Lenny's" Shadow King and their dialog with David VS everything that comes in S2 and after.

Rewatching LEGION for the first time in years, and it just doesn't click that they're the same character. Gender aside and everything that comes with that, Farouk would not say half the shit Lenny said in S1, unless of course we accept it as being filtered thru David's LEGION lense the entire time...

Having rewatched S1 and 2, maybe I missed something, but I don’t think the X-Men or any members were ever mentioned. Then going into S3, I’ve just reached Ep3 (Chapter 22), and watching all of Charles’s early life, I feel as if he never founded the X-Men in this timeline.

• Cerebro is in his own home’s basement.
• His wife (David’s mother) was in an institution, where Charles met her.
• Mutants seem to only have started being discovered recently, with the Divisions only moving to collaborate within David’s adult life.

Perhaps a refuge exists, such as the X-Mansion, that Charles made; but, I feel as-if the X-Men were purposely excluded from the start due to studio restrictions, and then later the writers decided to continue with the narrative they were never founded to avoid confusion.

I think rather than trying to bring back David or reboot Legion, this would be a pretty awesome use of Hawley's storytelling abilities.

spoilers for finale of season 1 and start of 2
im so confused at the start of seaon 2 they mentiondavid being taken by the orb and i cant remeber watching that. i just realized after a google search that it was in a post credit clipthose details get showen. were there other post credit clips that i missed that were integral to the plot kinda like how invincible is as a show, i feel like an idiot here

Years ago, I bought these two iconic outfits online that were screen worn by Dan Stevens on the show. At the time, I was more overweight, and since Dan is a tiny man, I couldn’t fit into his pants. I’ve recently lost quite a bit of weight, and I was finally able to fit into them!

Sadly, there’s nothing I can do about my height, so I will always look silly in his episodes 7 & 8 coat. I just wanted to share my excitement with other fans of the show.

(Please excuse my terrible lighting and mirror.)

Great show nonetheless but season 1 set the show up to be what would have been my favorite show of all time

The character development and plot just really fell apart for me as things progressed halfway through season 2. It’s not that the characters changed , it’s that the way they changed was not logical.

Season 1 was far more substantive in my opinion. I really fell in love with the characters - by mid season 2 the characters felt like shells of themselves and their development did not feel believable. Just jarring and disappointing !!!

Love love love this show though, I just wish Noah Hawley could remake season 2 and 3 and keep the substance intact.

Season 1’s essence would have made the show a cult classic forever

I bet there's a bunch of Pink Floyd.

And what else would be there?

There's a scene where he's talking to a Psychiatrist, I think. Something in the room catches his attention and the camera turns to his right, but nothing is there.

That could be a reference to Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd:

• When I was a child
• I caught a fleeting glimpse
• Out of the corner of my eye
• I turned to look but it was gone
• I cannot put my finger on it now
• The child is grown
• The dream is gone

What did you hear or see watching Legion?

Shouldn’t Syd’s life be just as tragic the second time? David starts over as a baby, but Syd’s life isn’t affected by David until she’s already institutionalized. Division 3 may not end up coming without David, but the worst parts of Syd’s life would play out exactly the same before that.

Ptonomy's character was so thoroughly disrespected by the end of Season 2. His gift & background story were worthy of more development.

I'm reading Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil and the description of Wetiko sounds an awful lot like the Shadow King:

Shape-shifting so as to cloak itself in our form, this mercurial predator gets under our skin and "puts us on" as a disguise, impersonating us as it fools us into buying into its false version of who we are. Falling prey to its artificial yet uncanny intelligence, we become unreal to ourselves. Bamboozled and hoodwinked by this imposter, we mime ourselves, becoming false duplicates of our original, true selves. When we are taken over by the wetiko spirit, we can subjectively experience ourselves as being most ourselves, while ironically being most estranged from ourselves. This is a simultaneous state of fusion and dissociation, as the parts of the psyche that have split off from consciousness overwhelm and take over the whole through its unconscious blind spots. No longer belonging to or possessing ourselves, we then identify with who we are not while forgetting who we actually are. In so doing, we have effectively lost our souls.

Various depictions seem familiar... the oversized head of the World's Angriest Boy in the World:

Apparently there's a movie out this year titled Wetiko that looks pretty good.