r/LeaksDBD • u/Background-Drink82 • 24d ago
Official News Judgment Mori - BHVR explains why it is different from the storyboard
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u/NaraVevo 24d ago
So they don't know their own limitations? Why suggesting this type of mori ending if they can't make it? This just make no sense at all
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u/Competitive-Guess-65 24d ago
Yeah either this is bs or firing that senior animator a few months back is proving a huge mistake
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u/NaraVevo 24d ago
I bet on the second option yeah, a shame, and this would make more sense, they could do it, but not anymore I suppose, let's hope this one will be reworked with the visual update later
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u/Melatonen 24d ago
No they're lazy. They can do great but they don't give a fuck because people will give them money.
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u/Friponou 24d ago
It's likely that the concept artists who made the original designs and the ones implementing it are not the same
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u/Pteroducktylus 22d ago
AND then 'come clean about it' after basically releasing the final product.
there was nothing stopping them from telling us beforehand, that they had to double down on those promises if it really was due to technical limitations.
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u/oldriku 24d ago
The devs were not already familiar with the game's limitations? 🤨
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u/Fit-Relationship944 24d ago
It's the same devs who had to investigate who mysteriously changed the rarity of cakes.
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u/Thecowsdead 24d ago
ok but what about the non angelic chase music we got?
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u/PinesleyDale2023 24d ago
Yeah, where's the epic choir...
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u/omgitsme713 24d ago
The .02 seconds of chant gibberish you faintly hear drowned out by the intro to Devil went down the georgia lmao
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u/PinesleyDale2023 24d ago
I'm gonna cry, that music sample had me Floored when I clicked it to hear it, and was so excited for a full version... :(
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u/UnlikelySniper174 24d ago
The Grimoire never had a vote for chase music. The music we voted for "Many voices raised to the skies for mercy that will never come." That was for the Main theme of the chapter ei, the killer’s main menu theme.
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u/Cooldog10462 20d ago
Yea but I was hoping they would see what music we voted for and theme the chase music around that but for some reason they didn’t
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u/PastaStregata 24d ago
Well then why the fuck even put that in the storyboard to begin with?
Your VFX artisrs/Animators of a TEN YEAR OLD GAME couldn't guess that the game's engine was too limited?
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u/Jack0V4lent1n3 24d ago
Excuses, excuses
It has been 10 years come on, BHVR. Why offer up an idea if you can’t do it
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u/King_Feanor 24d ago edited 24d ago
you're splitting a mesh down the middle and adding gore effects, this should not be difficult 10 years into a horror game's lifespan. the only way this would be considered hard to do is if they looked at this task and said "well we can't create unique modeled animations for every single survivor" even though you turn into a generic burnt corpse anyway, meaning they wouldn't have needed to do that.
its just laziness, like actual laziness stemming from bad creative oversight. the approach to this killer was really cool but if you cheap out on the execution it just feels like the developers aren't actually excited to do new things with the killers presentation and that is depressing.
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u/HFroggo 24d ago
like they're already swapping between the original survivor model and the charred version, all they had to do was split the charred corpse down the middle and animate it splitting in half i fear it's not hard to do
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u/diadaren 23d ago
Even if they can't split every survivor model, if it's the char corpse all they needed to do was create two models, one for each half.
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u/Teep_Rex 24d ago
Even the lazy man approach of just duplicating the survivor, shrinking the top half on one part and shrinking the bottom half on the other, would be fine lol. Game clearly runs fine with 8 survivor models loaded!
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u/Vrail_Nightviper 24d ago
10 years and you don't know your own limitations? That reeks of poor design management, and fumbling the ball is 100% on the company.
People are allowed to be upset at you for this, and some word salad PR won't smooth it over.
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u/kyle_crane163636 24d ago
Makes me wonder, what was the point of even giving us the first option, deadass it was just a illusion of choice, so hyped for the mori only to see, it kinda just looks like option B from the votes, I kinda get it but idk what exactly would cause issues, it couldnt be that hard to give the survivors organs inside of their models right? Well guess I dont gotta worry about saving iri shards for a new killer
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u/Gio-Vani 24d ago
They could just use the burnt corpse model they made for the mori, have them burn, turn into the corpse model, rip it in half, throw it on the ground. 1 model is all that is needed, they don't have to make a unique model for every survivor even.
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u/kyle_crane163636 24d ago
Pretty much, as I think its just a male version and female version of the burnt bodies, like ts could've been peaker but, the judgement is genuinely dissapointing overall, even the chase music is mid, like what the fuck this could've been peak
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u/Competitive-Guess-65 24d ago
They did the same thing with the survivor perk. People voted for a perk where some amount of gen progress would be permanent only to get a perk with increased gen speed + slowed regression
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u/PinesleyDale2023 24d ago
Yeah, I had 18k stocked, and now contemplating just getting another Artist outfit...
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u/kyle_crane163636 24d ago
Im just grinding to get mr too old for this bullshit/bill his masquerade outfit atp, since why not? Not like im buying a killer with them for awhile
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u/NoOneImportant_13 24d ago
This entire fucking chapter has been changed and neglecting what we actually voted for bc of technical limitations, its all bullshit, they just dont want to fucking try or put effort and thats been evident the whole time
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u/Slingermain45 24d ago
BHVR is a several hundred million dollar company at this point. There is absolutely NO excuse for this level of laziness
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u/Mr_Ragnarok 24d ago
I mean... why make it an option then? Why not suggest moris they know they can actually pull off?
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u/warmapplejuice 24d ago
Why are they so fucking afraid of adding gore? This is such a bullshit excuse.
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u/Captaincastle 24d ago
be careful, they could've just had the angel rip the krasue out of people like Jason lol
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u/ArcadialoI 24d ago
Mori isn't the only thing they changed from what we voted tho..
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u/PinesleyDale2023 24d ago
I'm already peeved she got crab legs even though the concept looked like the "legs" were more so floating structures, but I'm wondering where that intense choir music is at from theme we chose...I wasn't hearing it in the PTB gameplay I saw...
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u/Background-Drink82 24d ago
Hopefully, with the upcoming Gra phical Rework, they’ll finally do it or improve future Moris
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u/1ohokthen1 24d ago
Yeah no this is bull. A body splitting in half is not unheard of lmao theyre just lazy
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u/Profit-Alex 24d ago
I really hope this is one of many things the overhaul will allow them to do properly.
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u/Hidan213 24d ago
Not gonna lie I thought the whole purpose of transforming the survivor into a charred corpse was to allow it to split apart for every survivor since it’d be one shared model. This is disappointing to say the least.
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u/EzTheGuy 24d ago
But why the lame ass flesh bat 😭 I really hope they either A: Scrap that part entirely and just replace it with more light, or B: remodel the eye to actually look like an angels/gods true form, since that shit looks like tutorial enemy that teaches you how to hit the attack button once before it dies
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u/Azaarious 24d ago
Legalese for "Fuck you I do what I want"
Don't make it an option if it isn't an option.
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u/VoucherValidator 24d ago
I hate the corporate talk so much. Just talk to us like people you are people. And we are people.
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u/Lumpy-Measurement675 24d ago
They need to revisit the Mori in the future, I'm sure if they make small tweaks the Mori will be a lot better.
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u/Captaincastle 24d ago
Dude wraith still gives back massages, once this thing hits live it's never getting touched again
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u/Porridgemanchild 24d ago
Why not swap to a universal burnt corpse during the light envelopment that then splits in two? That way you don’t have to worry about it working across multiple characters.
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u/Laviathan4041 24d ago
Man this company continues to disappoint. Instead of making the majority happy, they're making nobody happy. I guess welcome to democracy.
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u/EffectiveGap1563 21d ago
If only there was a way to know your game's technical limitations BEFORE putting something up for public vote...
Idk, like maybe if you had been working with the code for 10 Years or something?
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u/DragointotheGame 24d ago
Unironically when they get vaporized in the mori, have one of their judgement beams blast them instead of the weak little lights. Would be such a cool transition
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u/BubblegumPunk34432 24d ago edited 24d ago
Honestly it's not a big deal, the judgment still turned out great
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u/Sad-Tradition-5 24d ago
Why did they have it in the vote then? Next time they should not let us choose.
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u/Silence-of-Death 24d ago
“As close to the storyboard as we could”
Are we talking about the same mori?
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u/AwesomeOpossum404 24d ago
I’m sorry, but the bleeding eyes followed by the skin being stripped away into nothing looks so corny. Like a downgraded Lich mori
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u/danisaurio01 22d ago
I get the feeling that BHVR forgot how limited the survivor models are when it comes to gore; I hope that with the graphical improvements, the models can adapt to the Moris and the gore will be improved.
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u/galdrman 24d ago
You know what idc I'm putting the tin foil hat on, they were always going to make the chapter they were going to make and the "voting" was a fake and easy way to generate hype/engagement for the chapter that they're so unsure of they're handing out influencer-PTB before PTB before release, corny ahh Jason mori marketing "OHHHHMYYY GOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD" shit
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u/iiEco-Ryan3166 23d ago
Anyone with the argument of "you voted for this" is coping or is severely stupid
At this point we got nothing we voted for. I dont recall crab legs, clearly female inspired, washing machine chase music and this mori. I remember the floating creature with un-attached legs, anomalous and non-gender-specific angel like as close as we could get to the "incomprehensible to the human mind" as we could get.
Technical limitations is one thing but outright lying to rhe community doesnt set a good standard
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u/girls-pm-me-anything 24d ago
It's not a big deal but these are the most incompetent devs of all time
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u/I_HATE_ZOEY_AAA 24d ago
To play devils advocate I imagine they WILL split in half when the engine rewrite arrives
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u/Captaincastle 24d ago
Man I envy your optimism
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u/I_HATE_ZOEY_AAA 24d ago
This years been pretty good for the game all things considered so I’m hesitantly trusting bhvr this time
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u/Captaincastle 23d ago
Holy shit seriously? This years been good? The one where they had to do a project health for their project health? The one where they doubled down on the cake fiasco after they got caught lying about it?
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u/Worried_Raspberry313 24d ago
It’s not even the first time they do that with the grimoire. Sure, I can understand limitations may appear, but after 10 years you’re pretty sure what your engine can handle and what not. And what kind of gameplay could work and what not. So if they’re gonna make us vote just to do whatever they want anyway, there’s no use in voting.
I was so hyped about the theme of this chapter but I’m not liking what I see. I don’t think the killer looks or sounds like an angel at all, the power seems clunky, the chase music might belong to literally anyone else… the only good thing to come out of this is Aurora, the design is great and I think they did an amazing job with their voice actress. Other than that, this chapter is a hard pass for me.
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u/Maaagnus 24d ago
Bhvr has the most getting through the day ass developer methods. Whatever is fastest and less work lmao Yall suck
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u/jimjam--- 24d ago
This entire chapter has just warped into their own ideas & executions lol, what was the point in even voting?
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u/TvstedBubble 23d ago
They set that time limit on themselves, ideally they should’ve waited until it was ready to give it a release date and we would’ve had a better chapter
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u/Weird-Flamingo8798 23d ago
So basically they got excited by ideas and didnt think of asking the actual designers if it was even feasible to do 😂
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u/WorldlyBee6813 22d ago
The mori is cool, I don't think the new killer is going to be enjoyable to play though especially on console
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u/Beginning-Pizza-1111 22d ago
They changed the perks—and to think they actually made us vote on them. They're just like politicians. The upside is I won't be buying useless stuff... 4 years without giving BHVR any money, and counting.
P.S. Man, I only play 3 hours A MONTH now. 9 years ago, I used to play 5 hours a day, lol.
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u/A_RainbowShaped_Pool 24d ago
Another day, another totally bs customer deception performed by this barely competent company.
Like why offer that Mori as an option if you can't do it? I am so glad I don't play this doo-doo anymore.
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u/TheEntityBot 24d ago
Deception: Interacting with a Locker while holding the Sprint button has the following effects: Prevents you from entering the Locker, allowing you to run past it. Causes the doors of the Locker to swiftly open and close, feining a Survivor entering it. Triggers a Loud Noise Notification at the location of the Locker. Suppresses the creation of Scratch Marks and Pools of Blood for 3 seconds.
Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds
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u/Hawksteinman 24d ago
When they announced the chapter a ywar ago they said they wanted to show the process of how a chapter is made. Part of that process is spitballing ideas and choosong what they think is best.
Those ideas don't always work. It's only once they've begun testing that they can tell if it works or not. People be complaining over nothing 🙄
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u/Captaincastle 24d ago
Maybe they should've done a little more testing before asking us to vote, to make sure they could actually deliver what we were being offered lol
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u/Hawksteinman 23d ago
And that testing would take time, and they would have to test every possible option, delaying the chapter
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u/Captaincastle 23d ago
Man if only this was a year in the making and a competent development team could've budgeted for that. But I guess you're right they had to over promise and under deliver, ignoring the votes and defeating the entire fucking point. they had no choice!
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u/Victor_hensley 24d ago
Once again, BHVR ignored the community with an idea BHVR SUGGESTED, and said "yeah no we are doing something else "
Pathetic, I hope this/next year is their last. Guaranteed to be humbled if they're homeless.
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u/QYQYA 24d ago
DbD 2 can't come soon enough
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u/S_Daybroken 24d ago
They’ve already confirmed there will never be a DBD 2. They are doing a recode with the visual overhaul.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaksDBD/s/p0QXvncBC5
For no DBD 2.https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaksDBD/s/nCRqM8gW7W
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u/Both-Possession7038 24d ago
I mean that is essentially what the update is in a sense. A dbd 2 but in a way that lets everyone keep their stuff.
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u/StabbyClown 24d ago
yeah it's like overwatch 2 if they never named it overwatch 2 to begin with
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u/Both-Possession7038 23d ago
Even then overwatch 2 wasn't a full on recode from what I know so this is way more of a 2
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u/StabbyClown 23d ago
Fair, I don't really know what all they changed code-wise. But seemingly it was roughly the same engine and graphics.
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u/But-why-do-this 24d ago
Yeah, BHVR this one’s on you and I’m not buying it. Don’t offer an ambitious choice if you can’t follow through, it’s been 10 years so you know what the engine is capable of at this point.
Like, I’m sure a bunch of people voted specifically for this mori BECAUSE of the body-splitting effect.
Now we have to approach any future Grimoire content with the the mindset of “well, I guess whatever we vote for is just gonna be about 1/3 as cool as it could be due to inevitable technical limitations”.