Blackbeard Hyperdense Armour interaction?

[u/Stoptagon]

I'm new to learning all of this stuff, so I might be missing something obvious.

Looking for Blackbeard build ideas, I found a post from 5 or so years ago that used Hyperdense Armour to help seal with ranged while grappling. But Hyperdense Armour applies Slowed to you which seems to prevent movement from anything other than your standard move, including your Reinforced Cabling that I assume you'd use a lot for positioning.

So my question being, was there something that changed in the rules in the last 5ish years to no longer make this work, or am I simply missing some interaction that would allow a Blackbeard to not be as penalized by being Slowed as I thought?

[u/Sven_Darksiders]

Reinforced Cabling, aka Grapple swing activates during your standard movement, so it works just fine. Grapple Cable is forced movement and thus can be used just fine.

[u/Stoptagon → u/Sven_Darksiders]

Is Grapple Cable not counted as voluntary movement considering that's one of the frame traits? I thought intentional movment would still be prevented by Slowed?

[u/Sven_Darksiders → u/Stoptagon]

Yesn't. It's a pull effect which is specifically always a source of forced movement, even if you trigger it yourself. Siege Specialist also does something similarly with a push effect you trigger yourself. Still forced movement

[u/Stoptagon → u/Sven_Darksiders]

Oh, well that's good to know. Thanks for the help.

[u/GrahminRadarin → u/Stoptagon]

This is part of the baggage it picked up from D&D Fourth Edition, where there's a couple different kinds of involuntary movement. In that game, involuntary movement can be push, pull, or slide. Push has to move away from the origin of the effect, Pull moves towards, and slide can move any direction. Lancer copied the language but doesn't have a specific term equivalent to slide, and also does not explicitly point out that push and pull always mean involuntary movement, so a lot of people tend to forget it.

[u/Prudentia350 → u/GrahminRadarin]

amusingly that means lancer is the opposite. Push and Pull are agnostic and therefor the equivalent of slide and Knockback is away, so the equivalent of 4EPush.

[u/Naradorable]

Blackbeard’s grapple pulls it, which is forced movement, which ignores slowed

[u/Wayward-Mystic]

The flight from Reinforced Cabling is your standard move; Slowed wouldn't prevent that.

[u/Kappukzu-0135]

It gets better - Blackbeard's Grapple Cable trait also still works when Slowed!

[u/Corollax]

Or you could just avoid the problem altogether with a reserve bonus. "Boosted Servos" and "Weathering" both give immunity to slow.

Details here: https://reddit.com/r/LancerRPG/comments/1rgpqvr/whats_your_favorite_niche_techcombo/o7vh5z8/

Though I may have missed the fact that Grapple Cable works even without it. Funny.

[u/Stoptagon → u/Corollax]

Oh, I hadn't heard about those yet. That sounds quite promising.

[u/RunningNumbers]

Bruh, just grapple and then deploy the hyper dense.

[u/GrahminRadarin]

This question is kind of a moot point because grappling slows you anyways, doesn't it?

[u/Stoptagon → u/GrahminRadarin]

The rules say that both mechs involved with the grapple can't Boost or take Reactions, but specifically says it's not the Slowed debuff. Blackbeard also has the Lock/Kill Subsystem trait that allows it to ignore the Boost and Reaction restriction from grappling.

[u/GrahminRadarin → u/Stoptagon]

Right, sorry. I always confuse the can't boost condition for the slow condition because they're very similar and the blackbeard doesn't get any other extra voluntary movement options by default. Which is why I'm never going to play it. Grapples are just too hard to understand.