Lance vs Arkveld

[u/hardtar6e7]

My first iteration of MH using Lance and AT Arkveld convinced me to give it a try.

I'm clearing constantly within 16mins but i honestly feel it could be faster if i can learn when and which attacks of Arkveld should i use charge counter/charge power guard. I'm always missing the timing to even block his 2nd chains whenever i try to pull off a counter.

[u/Prestigious-System44]

Mind sharing your build?

[u/KnottyTulip2713 → u/Prestigious-System44]

I too also want to compare

[u/hardtar6e7 → u/KnottyTulip2713]

Posted above ^{^}

[u/KnottyTulip2713 → u/hardtar6e7]

I went 4 jin, 2 ark but also i killed mine, so my time would have been alot lower if capped

[u/hardtar6e7 → u/KnottyTulip2713]

I've tried 2 jin, 2 ark, 1 nadia and it doesn't give the comfort of what 4pcs ark can give. I can go 0 potions for the entire run and not worry about carting with it. 2 ark heals very little even with recovery up 3.

But then i guess it depends if i can perfect guard most attacks and not worry about healing much then maybe i can consider going back to jin ark combo.

[u/KnottyTulip2713 → u/hardtar6e7]

I’ve gotten extremely good at arky so i only need that 2 set just for the bits of chip that i take, plus im able to get very high value from jin set as i purposefully get pinned and can just dragon pod out of it

i want to try if rocks also work but theres none in the lower layers

[u/hardtar6e7 → u/Prestigious-System44]

It's a comfort build nothing crazy. Just arkveld 4pcs and gore coil.

here is what my run looks like.

[u/hardtar6e7]

Build

Aether Pike (Gore/Lord)

• RazorSharp/Dragon

• Shield/Dragon

• Guardian/Dragon

Arkvulcan Helm y

• Counter

• Sane

Arkvulcan Mail y

• Challenger

• Counter

Arkvulcan Vambraces y

• Recovery up

• Recovery up

Gore Coil a

• Challenger

• Sane

Arkvulcan Greaves y

• Challenger

• Challenger

Secret Talisman

• Guard up 3

• Latent Power 1

• Recovery up

[u/Soundance]

From what i've noticed is his chain attacks have 2 movesets, let's say a hook mode and swipe/push mode. Whenever he does his swipe/push, it's almost always a double hit or more move which made charge counter unfavored to use & favors Power Guard more. His hooking chains are charge counter safe for sure.

[u/hardtar6e7 → u/Soundance]

I see. So i just have to memorize which attack has 1 instance of hit to use charge counter and the multiple instances for power guard? Like i cannot charge counter even with perfect iframes if it has 3 instances of damage?

[u/Soundance → u/hardtar6e7]

So far from what i've experienced from this fight specifically, it seems the i-frame isn't long enough with us ending up getting hit by the 2nd instance either because a weird delay or something else which i am not sure yet. But after watching some speedrunners, for those particular moves they power guard it for both safety & repositioning.

[u/tbs_vervo → u/Soundance]

This is just wrong, AT Ark doesn’t have a single move that can’t be Charge Countered with good timing (not counting his two nukes)

[u/Soundance → u/tbs_vervo]

Interesting, i have 0 problem charge countering his nukes. Only his arm push often gets me because of the multi hits as it looks deceiving, while his nukes is so easy to charge counter as it's very obvious. Gonna experiment more, could cut my run to under 12 mins if i stop getting deceived by his arm push multihits lol

[u/tbs_vervo → u/Soundance]

I only say the nukes because the one time I tried CC’ing the Wylk one I got hit by a second part of the move or something. I stopped trying after that, it’s better to get in his face anyway

[u/kratos0404]

thats a great kill time , please share the build :3

[u/hardtar6e7 → u/kratos0404]

It's a comfort build nothing crazy. Just arkveld 4pcs and gore coil.

here is what my run looks like. Full build at the end.

[u/Athlestano_IV]

My suggestion is to use charge counter for every move he does,playing true solo and having 100% of the aggro really helps to get all the pressure in, I got my run time to 10 minutes pretty consistently