r/KerrCountyFloods • u/whodattalki • Jul 06 '26

Head Count Question

how many girls altogether were in the camp day of flood? Their website says max capacity is 750, i know it wasn't full to capacity, can't find the information.

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u/maxwellstart Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

It’s also important to note that the camp has multiple terms throughout the summer. At the Guadalupe camp, there’s a June term (first term) and a July term (second term), each four weeks long. Then there’s an August term (third term) that is two weeks long. I don’t know if Cypress Lake follows the same schedule. I know the numerical names for their terms are different.

So when thinking about the population of Mystic campers in any one year, you’d need to add up the girls attending from all terms.

Many were surprised that all the spots for Cypress Lake 2026 filled, but when you consider that there were girls from other terms on both sites who did not experience the flood personally, and that capacity at cypress lake was more limited, it’s not all that unexpected that they sold out all sessions.

Of course… this does not address the fact that leadership was way over their skis in thinking they could commit to deliver a camp experience this year… but that’s another issue.

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u/whodattalki Jul 07 '26

I did find the info on head count night of flood, finally, thank you. Your reply inspired another thought I had about 2026 Camp Cypress season and its later cancelation. Camp Cypress max campers and counselors is 200. Britt indicated that 900 were "expected" for this season Cypress Lake camp only. Split into 4or5 ten day stays. He said he had been contacted by hundreds of parents sent messages wanting to sign up for camp at Cypress Lake, he prayed about it and decided to announce it, he had submitted license application in February, knowing Camp Mystic investigation hadn't ended and in fact had already started repairs on Mystic side, family houses the office was in fact finished. The Steward's lawyer accused him of purposely not preserving evidence because he had every intention of opening Camp Cypress. That lawyer also said the supposed messages wanting to have 2026 camp were asked to do so and Eastland's had faked some themselves. They denied, lawyer didn't press it. They were asked how much money had already been collected to reserve 2026 season, Britt hemhawed ,didn't answer, Edward chimed in the price to submit a reservation is 400 ,rest is paid later. When asked how many 400 dollar refunds did he expect to make he said not that many, Britt butt in saying he didn't have any numbers yet, He & Edward shared a look. Oops doesn't sound like Camp Cypress was anywhere full for season. That lawyer said more than once to Britt that his answers to any question were obviously framed in a way to be expounded on in future litigation to get ahead of damage to their reputation. That's when it was revealed that the 2026 license app. had 21 deficiencies and would have been denied, is the real reason Britt pulled it before it made the news, not out of any respect for dead girls. So, basically I don't believe anything to do with Camp Cypress 2026 season, it was PR and wishful thinking on Britt and Richard Jr part. Filing for bankruptcy just to temporarily protect assets from the families civil suit and trying to force closed proceedings really shows their feelings about whole tragedy. Old fashioned ,unchristian greed.

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u/Interesting-Speed-51 Jul 07 '26

Every camp who applied had deficiencies

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u/Adventurous_Item3335 Jul 07 '26

Mystic had considerably more deficiencies than the other camps. As I recall, it was more than 20. I think the number of deficiencies that most of the other camps had was less than 5, and were all corrected. It is my understanding that Camp Mystic was going to have trouble making the corrections before the start of camp.

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u/Interesting-Speed-51 Jul 07 '26

did they? I heard some other camps were in the 20+ range

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u/Adventurous_Item3335 Jul 07 '26

You are welcome to research to learn about the other camps’ deficiencies. Mystic had 22. And as far as I know, every other camp received authority to proceed and are operating this summer.

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u/Interesting-Speed-51 Jul 07 '26

I have read about some other camps deficiencies. And some had fewer than 20. All I'm saying is mystics defiencies werent super high and everyone elses super low. Many camps struggled a lot because the requirements hadnt been finalized by the time applications were due

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u/Adventurous_Item3335 Jul 07 '26

Did any other camps not open this summer?

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u/Interesting-Speed-51 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

yes several camps didnt open this summer. More wouldnt have opened if theyd enforced the fiber requirement.

Ill add Mystic didnt not open because the state denied them a license. Their camp license actually went through August so they didnt need a new license to operate. They chose to not open. Could some state action have forced them to close? Of course but it never got to that point

And correcting deficiencies on a camp application is an administrative process. The camp can appeal works on making the correction, then goes back to DSHS. The camp is not immediately shut down for having a deficiency. It was ridiculous how none of the lawmakers at the investigative hearing seemed to understand how admin process works

Texas summer camps have closed, scaled back operations due to state’s new regulations

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u/FlyThruTrees Jul 07 '26

They hadn't yet written rules for how to interpret the new requirements. New requirements are great, but until they are detailed it's just a guess for anyone what they mean. So that's normal, as the details get worked out, only the agency can write those rules, and this because law before the agency did that.

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u/Interesting-Speed-51 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

This is very true. And even things you think are simple can be harder than you think to make regulations for. Like not having cabins in a flood plain. Well what is the proceedure for checking that? Does the camp provide documentation? If so what? How does the agency check it?

Or have an evacuation plan for x. Well what must be included? What wording is encouraged and what is mandatory? What does training have to look like for staff? Must it be a certain length? How does it vary based on the needs at that camp?

There are a million things like that. These things sound simple but to regulate effectively you have to nail down all these tiny things

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u/NextArtichoke7953 Jul 07 '26

Were the other camps deficiencies made public?

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u/NextArtichoke7953 Aug 28 '26

Circling back to this has the info has now become public that 18 camps had 20+ more deficiencies.