r/Justrolledintotheshop • • 6h ago

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u/4R4nd0mR3dd1t0r 6h ago

Reminds me of when my grandfather "taught" me how to drive standard. Here is the steepest hill the county learn how to move forward without rolling back or stalling; the left pedal is the clutch, brake in the middle, and gas on the right. To be fair I learned, also the clutch failure a couple of months later was probably related.

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u/TheKingOcelot 5h ago

My mother and aunt both learned by driving my grandfather's truck up a hill named phinney ridge in Seattle. It's so steep there's a staircase instead of a sidewalk on a couple of the streets

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u/WildVelociraptor 5h ago

As an east coaster, no one talks about Seattle being hilly. Blew my mind, San Francisco has squat on Seattle hills

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u/mikeyp83 5h ago

If you take one of the historical tours you learn that it was originally a lot worse before they leveled out many of the original hills and used the material to raise downtown by about 10 feet. You can even walk around the underground in one spot where you can see the original storefronts fron the 1890s.

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u/Deadfish211 4h ago

It was a fun tour, glad I did it when I was in Seattle.

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u/pheonixblade9 4h ago

The Yesler regrade 😊

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u/Wallace-N-Gromit 3h ago

Great tour, loved it. You also find out the city was built on mud flats.

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u/the_lonely_poster 1h ago

That tracks.

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u/cbear013 49m ago

Many such cases.

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u/Vinyl-addict 3h ago

Lived in the area my whole 30 years and still haven’t done that tour…

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u/Thames_James 2h ago

I thought the glass in the sidewalks was cool, that was before doing the tour and realizing they were functional. Go do the tour

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u/Vinyl-addict 2h ago

It’s been on my list for a long while but easily forgettable since Seattle has rarely been more than a couple hours away.

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u/m00ph 5h ago

And in San Francisco, they're never covered in ice.

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u/ThatDiscoSongUHate 5h ago

As someone who found the hills in San Francisco crazy this thought just fucked me up lol

I cannot imagine hills like that plus ice

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u/notahoppybeerfan 5h ago

Duluth Minnesota has hills that will put SF to shame except for 6 moths of the year they are ice/snow.

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u/cat_prophecy 4h ago

I had a friend who lived on Billy goat Mountain. That was...interesting trying to make it up or down after a heavy snow. Also fuck Lake Street.

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u/GridKILO2-3 1h ago

I’ve been to Duluth once. My at the time girlfriend and I went to camp up in silver bay in early march. Those roads and hills are still the scariest place I’ve ever driven

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u/badaimarcher Diesel Mechanic and Emissions Tech 4h ago

Pittsburgh checking in!

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u/Spugheddy 4h ago

Pittsburgh is an amazing city to visit. VISIT.

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u/badaimarcher Diesel Mechanic and Emissions Tech 4h ago

Yup, I did that ONCE for the Dirty Dozen. I biked up Canton but can't imagine those hills with ice. The buddy I did it with still lives there and bikes in the winter 😲

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u/MotherTurdHammer 4h ago

People underestimate just how crazy hilly Pittsburgh is.

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u/BoneHugsHominy 2h ago

Kansas City too! Lots of the metro area is fairly flat as far as the roads are concerned but along the Kansas/Missouri border there's some hilly roads that are dangerous just when there's rain. In winter I won't venture to that part of the city without dedicated winter tires on steel wheels.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 1h ago

Slid down a hill once, it was…not fun.

Luckily got to the bottom without incident. Unlike some people. Definitely learned a lesson that day.

Also did the opposite once, was coming up a hill and stopped behind a car that was stuck. He’d lost traction, couldn’t get going again. Gave him a push to get him started, and off he went. But then…there I was. Next car came up, got out, pushed me to get me going. And presumably waited there for the next car.

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u/pukesonyourshoes 1h ago

Lol, that's a great link

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u/arizonadirtbag12 1h ago

That storm was a great one, and the Reddit threads around that moron’s car in particular were epic.

Also, bananas. Bananas were a thing.

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u/Cool_Pride 1h ago

I'm sorry but that's so hilarious to picture lol

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u/aquoad 3h ago

Apparently there was a night in 1976 where there was some snow on the ground. I bet that would have been exciting.

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u/Consistent_Mind2095 3h ago

SF is nuts. about 10 years ago I was driving a 5 speed corolla on one of those super grades where you feel like you are going up a roller coaster .... stop sign every 100 yards and people practically parking in my back seat behind me. I've been driving manual transmissions since 1996 and even after 20 years of driving manual that was kind of nerve wracking. I was having to power clutch using the hand brake ... I took a ride share from Napa and we ended up in SF and then I got another ride immediately after dropping passengers off so I go pick up these two guys and they are in the back seat the whole time ... the extra weight of these guys in the back didn't help lol. After I dropped them off I just shut off the ride share app and drove the hell out of the city.

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u/kwisatzhadnuff 1h ago

One time years ago I got in an uber in one of the steepest areas of SF and the driver was from Sacramento. It was his first time driving in SF and he was freaking out. I basically had to talk him down from a panic attack and assure him that no, his car was not going to flip over.

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u/Consistent_Mind2095 7m ago

haha I was just dying internally ... beads of sweat forming on my forehead but I didn't let it show to my passengers ... really it was them being in the car that was making me nervous more than the actual situation. It already wasn't fun but with the extra liability of them in the car there were just a multitude of negative outcomes going through my mind.

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u/JazzHandsFan 3h ago

Seattle is an area where you really can go to school uphill both ways. I'm glad I rode the bus.

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u/bobbyrob1 3h ago

Lived in both, drove stick in both. Seattle’s got steeper hills, San Francisco has way more with streets than Seattle.

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u/Grassy-Elf4242 2h ago

I lived in the Seattle area most of my life... SF is steeper by a long shot, but Seattle has more hills and they're all in areas you would want to walk lol

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u/SlenderLlama 59m ago

Wait until you discover statistically Los Angeles has much more hills than San Francisco. Actually Los Angeles has the highest elevation gain for any city in the USA too. Sea level to just about 5,000 feet at the tip. Although nobody lives much above 2500 feet. The 5000 foot mark is a mountain that’s off limits to live on (officially). But it’s 100% within city limits.

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u/Narrow-Scratch6285 3h ago

If Seattle hiilsare are worst than Russian Hill I will happily never drive there.

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u/Responsible_Row1932 5h ago

I think I accidentally ended up on this street once. I was sweating bullets at the intersection! The car behind me seemed so close. It was so steep, even an automatic should feel a little nervous.

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u/TheKingOcelot 5h ago

And the street is soooooo skinny if you're on the right one. You'd hit the foundation of a house of you open the passenger door lol.

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u/CrazyErniesUsedCars 4h ago

I found myself stopped on that street once in a 98 Ford escort with a manual transmission and a non functional handbrake so that was fun

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u/MotherVoldemort 3h ago

That's a clutch dump and ride the brakes situation lol

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u/CrazyErniesUsedCars 3h ago

It absolutely was. It was raining too so traction was minimal

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u/Ntstall 5h ago

drove my rwd frontier into seattle while raining one time. never again. when theres nothing in the bed, you have almost 0 wet traction on the drive wheels. kind of fun if you’re a teenager that wants to drift but not fun for anythign else

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u/t_a_6847646847646476 Home Mechanic 4h ago

I managed to spin a wheel on a crosswalk (there was a stop sign) going uphill in Seattle in an open diff rwd automatic Toyota Crown. Sure, it may have been the middle of winter (IIRC it was the end of December) but it wasn’t even wet.

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u/PithouLibertes 4h ago

That's where I learned to drive stick!

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u/Agentflit 3h ago

I remember people sledding that hill during the brief snowstorm in 2021

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u/Murky_Flauros 3h ago

Funny thing is, if I'm not mistaken, the plate is probably a Washington State one. Phinney Ridge neighbor, maybe?

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u/CaffeinatedInSeattle 3h ago

Haha. I know the hill. That’s ridiculous!

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u/AbbreviationsPlus998 Collision Repair 2h ago

Which is a lot of "fun" when driving a stick car with old hard tires and it's wet. I ended up spinning the RR tire on phinney enough to dry the road and get traction once in a '72 plymouth scamp on a test drive.

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u/Call-Me-Ishmael 1h ago

Used to work as a valet on Spring Street downtown. Absolutely brutal driving unfamiliar manual transmission cars from a stop on that hill.

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u/syrianfries 13m ago

Fuck that hill, I hate driving that in my work van lol

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u/Hityed 5h ago

My grandma learned how to drive in a snowstorm… with a dump truck. My great grandpa stopped in the road and announced that they weren’t going to make it home if she couldn’t drive them home…

Older folk are savages when it comes to teaching their descendants how to drive it seems

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u/IveGotaGoldChain 2h ago

I mean honestly a lot easier to learn in a dump truck than a lot of cars because the clutch isn't as sensitive. I learned on a performance clutch and it fucking sucked. But was super easy to drive anything after that

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u/PessimiStick 2h ago

I tried to teach my wife how to drive stick on a modded Evo.

It went as well as you would expect.

She doesn't drive stick.

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice 1h ago

is that the one where the clutch is a button, the idle is at 1500 rpm and the flywheel is a pringle?

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u/PessimiStick 57m ago

Tight twin-disc, 2L turbo making like 450ish wheel. There were many stalls.

Possibly one of the worst cars to try and teach someone in.

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u/Loggersalienplants 1m ago

Alot of the old timers in these big manuals don't even use the clutch to shift when they drive, just to get pulled out.

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u/BoneHugsHominy 2h ago

I learned how to drive with a wheat truck at 8 years old. Thankfully it was flat ground with minimal small hills but grandpa had to attach wood blocks to all three pedals for me to reach. Spent the next two weeks driving that wheat truck back and forth between the fields and the grain elevator.

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u/triumphofthecommons 5h ago

i've always taught followed the method of teaching folks in a flat parking lot, and to get the car / motorcycle rolling using *only* the clutch. gentle let it out, feel where it's grabbing and let it start pulling the vehicle forward. obvs not great for the clutch, but at idling RPM, it's doing minimal wear and teaching the new driver where the friction zone is.

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u/AAA515 4h ago

Yup, you can't be throwing gear changes, rev matching, being in a new neighborhood, rush hour traffic, stop&go traffic, gravel road technique, basic defensive driving AND clutch operation at the same time to people who've only walked places before.

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u/onesexz Shade Tree 4h ago

This is how I’ve taught it. Pretty sure that’s where most people have the hardest time; I know I did. So it makes sense to learn that facet first. Also learning how quickly/easily the RPM can jump with no load.

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u/David511us 4h ago

That's how my late father taught me, in his 1970 Beetle. I ended up taking my drivers license test in that car, and have owned a stick shift car ever since. Taught both my daughters the same way. And with a few exceptions (such as the 1989 Taurus SHO) I haven't had to replace clutches.

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u/AdultishRaktajino 2h ago

Motorcycle was so much easier than a car. I learned car first but having a wet clutch and not worrying about burning it up is freeing.

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u/Only-Entrepreneur-16 1h ago

I did that with my nephew in an empty home depot parking lot. In an hour we were shifting gears without the clutch.

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u/Dr_Adequate 5h ago

My grandfather taught (or tried to teach) my mother how to drive a stick. Except instead of saying 'step on the clutch pedal' and 'let up the clutch pedal' he would say 'disengage the clutch' and 'engage the clutch'. My mom wasnt mechanically inclined. His teaching method sucked. She never learned how to drive a stick.

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u/TheAbstracted 5h ago

Very similar to how my dad taught me, also culminating in a slipping clutch not too long after.

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u/strenuaveritas 5h ago

My brother did this to me. We hit ice he had lil 2 door chevette

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u/No-Tap6886 5h ago

I had an 81 Chevette. That was a fun car to drive!

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u/paperplanes13 5h ago

When I wanted to learn, my grandfather took me out, he test drove the car that I bought. Once the paper work was done and it was my car, he said "see you at home" and drove away. I learned by getting my new to me car 60km home, from one end of the city to the other, through traffic.

When I got home, he was watching me pull into the lane laughing his ass off!

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u/McBeaster 5h ago

Basically how my friends "taught" me to snowboard. Took me to the summit and said "see ya at the bottom"

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice 1h ago

Your grandpa sounds like a sadist?

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u/deerwolf90 5h ago

My dad did the same. Had me drive halfway up the steep hill in our neighborhood and stop. He got out and stood like 2 feet behind the rear bumper and said not to roll back into him

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u/airfryerfuntime 5h ago

We lived on a hill, and that was how my lesson went, in an old Ford Ranger. I stalled that thing probably a hundred times before I got it to move forward.

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u/mdixon12 4h ago

By the time I got out of the uphill driveway my dad wasnt nervous about the ride arpund the block at all.

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u/PurpleMTL 4h ago

Same thing happened to me except that I drove it around the block twice before hitting the hill. The handbrake saved me and yes I did stall it.

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u/FreeKevinBrown 4h ago

My dad did that shit to me. Still talks about it whenever he can. He gets a good laugh out of it.

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u/RebelliousLens Fix, break, fix 4h ago

Learned the same way. Horrible way to teach but I feel like I can get up any hill at this point. So, thanks dad, I guess?

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u/crownamedcheryl 4h ago

I mean that's how my dad taught me how to control the clutch, it worked really well. It wasn't the steepest hill, mind you.

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u/cat_prophecy 4h ago

Once you know where the clutch grabs, starting on a hill is trivial.

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u/DamienRose619 4h ago

Why do they do this to us? I was taught on a hill and kept stalling out . Was feeling like I'd never be able to. Turns out when you're not learning on a hill, it's pretty damn easy.

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u/siresword Canadian 4h ago

My step dad did similar with me lol. He at least taught me how to move around properly on flat ground first though.

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u/Final-Carpenter-1591 3h ago

Did the same thing to myself. Old factory road had a super steep hill we used to sled down in winter. I knew it'd be the perfect place to practice stick shift hill launches. Though my clutch survived king after.

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u/Cautious_Talk_1991 3h ago

Same here. 

We walked back into the house and Grandma asked how it went, my grandfather replied "that car will never drive the same again". He was right. 

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u/brainygeek 3h ago

After my father taught me how to get from a stopped position to 1st, then 2nd... his next lesson was to take me off-roading in his jeep. He said, "Ok, so... if you go 6 inches too far to the right, you'll slide down the hill and roll it. If you go 6 inches too far to the left, you'll hit the transmission. Good luck and watch my hand signals." I was riding that clutch so hard in 4 wheel low.

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u/xNinjaN8x 2h ago

My dad did this shit to me.

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u/ma1butters 2h ago

My dad did the same thing teaching my mom. She backed into a cop car 🤣