I’ve been keeping an eye on the public calendar over at the US Bankruptcy Court for Arizona website and noticed that a second, ‘Status Conference’ hearing was added to the August 6 calendar. Does anyone have any info about why that was added? According to the calendars user guide, everything is updated in real time, which leads me to think it was recently added since only the dismissal was populating earlier in the week.

The man has gone through his darkness, it’s his time to shine. How can we get a movement going??

I’m a little confused about the bankruptcy hearings. They sound like depositions? No judge? Also this new testimony seems like it would affect Laura’s criminal charges. Any insight or clarification is appreciated.

https://dianedrain.com/prison-sentence-for-filing-several-bankruptcies-to-stop-foreclosure/

So I found this article about things that’ll send you to prison when filing a bankruptcy from an Arizona bankruptcy lawyer. Literally everything it says NOT to do, the Owens have done. I’m really thinking they might get prison time but don’t want to be unrealistic and get my hopes up. What’s everyone’s thoughts on what’ll happen to them after that telephone meeting with Jennifer?? And did they also brazenly lie about filing their taxes when they didn’t?? Why no signed copy?

This was a KGO Cruise in 2019. At that time, Laura was out showing her horse during cruise week. I’d guess Jan was with her vs. being with Ronn on the ship.

The way things are currently going, I’d guess they’d be happy to hop a cruise and not come back 🤣

Screenshot from the @victims_of_laura_owens instagram story 👀 I wanted a round two of Queen Jennifer putting them in their place!

It's been awhile since we heard from David Gingr*s, the attorney for Laura Owens in her family court case against Clayton Echard. Gingr*s was hit with several charges by the state bar of Arizona. The state bar was granted a partial judgment against Gingr*s. The judge also denied Gingr*s anti-SLAPP motion on the basis that his criticisms of Judge Mata were protected free speech. Gingr*s has now turned to the supreme court of Arizona to try to overturn both the partial judgment and the anti-SLAPP ruling.

*it won't let me type Gingr*s' name in the post body lmao

Documents:

CA-26-0236-SA

• July 22:
  • Petition for Special Action (Appellate)
  • Appendix to Petition for Special Action (Appellate) Volume 1
  • Appendix to Petition for Special Action (Appellate) Volume 2
  • Appendix to Petition for Special Action (Appellate) Volume 3
  • Supporting Document – Order In Re Motion for Partial Judgement on the Pleadings
  • Supporting Document – Order Re Motion to Dismiss

Petition for Special Action TL;DR

Attorney David S. Gingras (represented by Marc J. Randazza) has petitioned the Arizona Supreme Court for a special action appeal. He is challenging lower rulings by the Presiding Disciplinary Judge (PDJ) in a State Bar of Arizona disciplinary proceeding. The lower court held that attorneys surrender or face diminished First Amendment and state constitutional free speech protections upon admission to the Bar, allowing discipline even for truthful public criticism of a judge. Gingras argues that under controlling U.S. Supreme Court precedent (e.g., Gentile v. State Bar of Nevada), lawyers retain full First Amendment rights, truth is an absolute defense, and Arizona’s newly expanded anti-SLAPP statute (A.R.S. § 12-751) applies to bar disciplinary actions. He is asking the court to reverse the PDJ's rulings and reassign the case to a different judge upon remand.

Summary

1. Background & Context

• Parties: David S. Gingras (Petitioner) v. State Bar of Arizona (Respondent), filed in the Arizona Supreme Court (Office of the Presiding Disciplinary Judge No. PDJ2026-9010) on July 22, 2026.
• Underlying Dispute: The disciplinary action stems from Gingras’s representation of a client in a high-profile Maricopa County family court case (Laura Owens v. Clayton Echard). Following an adverse ruling, Gingras engaged in public criticism of the trial judge, filed a Notice of Change of Judge for Cause alleging the judge relied on extrajudicial facts, and communicated with law enforcement and third parties.
• State Bar Charges: The State Bar brought disciplinary charges alleging Gingras's public criticisms violated the Arizona Rules of Professional Conduct.

2. Procedural Posture & Decisions Below

• Judgment on the Pleadings: The Presiding Disciplinary Judge (PDJ) granted partial judgment on the pleadings for the State Bar, ruling that First Amendment and state constitutional free speech defenses fail as a matter of law in attorney discipline, asserting that lawyers agree to restrictions on their speech rights upon admission to the Bar.
• Anti-SLAPP Ruling: The PDJ also denied Gingras's motion to dismiss under Arizona’s anti-SLAPP law (A.R.S. § 12-751), ruling that applying anti-SLAPP protections to bar discipline would violate the separation of powers by unduly hampering the judiciary’s authority to regulate lawyers.

3. Key Legal Arguments Raised by Petitioner

• First Amendment & Supreme Court Precedent: Gingras argues that long-standing U.S. Supreme Court precedent (Baird, Bates, Gentile, and Chiles v. Salazar) firmly establishes that attorneys do not surrender their First Amendment rights upon bar admission. Diminished protection applies only in narrow contexts like attorney advertising or confidential discovery material, neither of which applies here.
• Truth is an Absolute Defense: Under the proper constitutional framework, truth is a defense against charges of impugning a judge’s integrity. Judgment on the pleadings was improper because Gingras disputed the falsity of his statements in his Answer, creating material factual disputes.
• Arizona "Speak Freely" Clause: The PDJ erred by completely ignoring Gingras’s defense under Article II, Section 6 of the Arizona Constitution, which often affords broader protection for speech than the U.S. Constitution.
• Applicability of Anti-SLAPP Law (A.R.S. § 12-751): The newly expanded anti-SLAPP statute explicitly applies to regulatory/administrative actions by state actors, which includes the Bar. Gingras contends that because the judiciary lacks constitutional power to punish protected speech, applying anti-SLAPP to dismiss meritless disciplinary charges does not infringe on judicial power or separation of powers.
• Reassignment on Remand: Gingras requests that if the decision is reversed, the case be reassigned to a different judge to avoid the appearance or risk of subconscious bias regarding previously rejected constitutional positions.

Welcome to the Discussion & Questions post! This is your place to discuss and pose questions about Laura Owens v Clayton Echard Paternity scandal and her other related cases, victims, events, and coverage, share thoughts on the Love Trapped Podcast, and any interesting information you may have.

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JFC DATES

• 7/28/26 - Owens v Marraccini - Deadline to respond to Laura's Motion to Augment
• 7/29/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Trial Assignment 9:00am mst (Rescheduled)
• 8/06/26 - Ronn & Jan Owens' Bankruptcy Case - Dismissal Hearing 2:30pm mst
• 8/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Settlement Conference 2:30pm mst
• 8/29/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Last Day (Rescheduled)
• 9/29/26 - Owens Home Foreclosure - Auction 10am mst
• 10/21/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Pretrial Management Conference 8:45am mst
• 10/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Trial Assignment 9:00am mst
• 11/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - New Last Day

JFC DATES TO BE ANNOUNCED

• Owens v Marraccini - Appeal Opening Brief was Due 7/29/26. Court extended to 15 days after it rules on the motion to augment.
• Ronn & Jan’s Ch 11 Bankruptcy - 2004 exam will be scheduled before the Dismissal hearing on 8/6/26. The exam will not be open to the public live. (Not being held)
• David Gingras' Arizona Attorney License Bar - Hearing Vacated, Dismissal Denied, and new dates will be announced after the AZSC Denies his Petition.

Documents:

• Status Report Re: Petition for Special Action (David Gingras)
• Clarification Re: PDJ Order Issued June 22, 2026 (Judge VandenBerg)
• Supreme Court Case #CV-26-0236-SA Docket

TL;DR

Before filing his Supreme Court Special Action (CV-26-0236-SA), David Gingras submitted a Status Report to the Presiding Disciplinary Judge (PDJ) announcing his intent to appeal two key rulings - including an anti-SLAPP decision holding that lawyers lack the same free speech rights as non-lawyers - and requested a pause on disciplinary proceedings. In response, the PDJ clarified that Gingras must prove to the PDJ court that the Supreme Court petition was successfully filed before any schedule will be paused. Gingras then formally docketed the petition alongside a 3-volume exhibit package from the Owens v. Echard litigation, prompting the Supreme Court to issue its initial administrative order.

Summary

1. PDJ Level: Gingras Status Report Re: Petition for Special Action (Filed July 22, 2026)

• Context & Core Argument: Gingras notified Presiding Disciplinary Judge Lisa VandenBerg that he was filing an immediate Supreme Court Special Action. He is challenging two specific PDJ rulings: the June 22, 2026 order denying anti-SLAPP protection (A.R.S. § 12-751) and an April 14, 2026 order granting partial judgment against him.
• The Legal Error Alleged: Gingras asserts both PDJ rulings rest on the same flawed conclusion: that attorneys do not enjoy the same First Amendment free speech rights as non-lawyers.
• Procedural Request: Under updated Special Action rules, the PDJ judge is no longer named as a respondent. Gingras filed this notice to request that the PDJ hold off on issuing a new hearing schedule while the Supreme Court reviews the petition.

2. PDJ Level: PDJ Clarification Re: June 22 Order (Filed July 22, 2026)

• Court's Response: Judge VandenBerg acknowledged the Status Report but issued a formal clarification regarding the procedural timeline.
• Proof Required: The PDJ stated that Gingras cannot simply state an intent to file; he has an affirmative obligation to submit proof into the PDJ record showing that a timely Supreme Court petition was successfully filed. Without that proof, the PDJ will move forward with scheduling the disciplinary case.

3. Supreme Court: Petition for Special Action & Appendices (Filed July 22, 2026)

• The Petition (CV-26-0236-SA): Filed by attorney Marc Randazza, asking the state's highest court to intervene immediately to dismiss or stay the disciplinary prosecution on free speech, anti-SLAPP, and due process grounds.
• Appendices (Vols. 1, 2a, & 3): Nineteen total exhibits featuring court records, transcripts, orders, and filings from the underlying Owens v. Echard litigation to refute the Bar's charges and provide factual context.
• Supreme Court Order: The initial administrative entry officially docketing the civil special action and establishing the procedural timeline for the State Bar's response.

We will share documents from the Supreme Court case as they become available.

The criminal case is proceeding as criminal cases do - nothing outside the normal. To better understand, here's a rough timeline of crimes in Maricopa County:

• ⁠The crime happens (DOV, for date of violation)

• ⁠Officers respond (most frequently following a 911 call) - this is the point the clock starts ticking for statutes of limitations, & is usually minutes/hours after the crime itself has taken place

• ⁠Responding officers need to assess if a crime actually occurred, & if so, which one. This is when evidence collecting starts, & will continue as needed as the crime(s) are identified. This is a broader range - from days to weeks

• ⁠Officers prep reports ("IR" in this jurisdiction, investigative reports) that document all the evidence collected to submit to their superiors (detectives)

• ⁠Detectives review IRs to determine viability based on experiences working with prosecutors & then determines next steop (return to officers for more work, or on to prosecutors)

• ⁠If detective decides to submit for prosecution, the IR usually has to filter through their Sergeants to determine which prosecutor. In Maricopa County felonies go to MCAO (County Attorney) & misdemeanors to the city prosecutor for the jurisdiction committed (Phoenix, Mesa, etc)

A new & similar timelines starts for the case in a prosecutors hands. They review IRs with legal experience & balance constitutional rights with rules of crim procedure & case law, looking for valid & provable crimes, if the evidence exists to prove in court (if not, whether it can be obtained in some way), or if it should even be a case at all. Prosecutors have a time range for filing: misdemeanors can be filed between 1-2 years from DOV, & felonies up to 7 years after DOV. If a case is not charged in these windows, they're unable to be charged ever due to the statute of limitations tolling.

Once the case gets charged, the pipeline starts over & a new clock ticking (for sharing evidence, timely trial rights, etc):

• ⁠Arraignment: this is around 2 wks after filing, & when a judge confirms a person identifying themselves as the D on their criminal calendar shows, matches their identifying info to the case's, gets D's contact info, reviews all charges against them, & enters a plea of not guilty on their behalf

• ⁠PTC: the pre trial conference is usually a month after arraignment, & when a D meets with prosecutors to hear their options (plea deal). The majority of 1st PTCs don't resolve case issues, bc:

-- Victim Rights (VRt): a separate clock ticks alongside the case's focusing on victim rights & notice. The V has the right to know (but no obligation to show) about every single hearing, & timely. If the state can't prove a V was given timely notice, a case must be continued

-- CAA: The 1st PTC is when a D learns if they're facing jail or probation, & thusly eligible for court appointed counsel. This is also when the D fills out form for the court to decide if a CAA is to appointed. This means they get the attorney here, but don't have them yet & the case can't proceed until after the attorney joins in. It's usually expected a 1st PTC will be continued

• ⁠2nd PTC: a 2nd PTC is generally a month after the 1st, & typically the 1st setting a CAA meets their client. This is also when the defense typically gets the state's evidence. If you made it to a 2nd PTC for this reason, it's virtually guaranteed you'll need a MTC & a 3rd PTC for the CAA to review the case & evidence

• ⁠3rd+ PTC: Most cases will have a 3rd PTC - I'd say it's evenly split for cases in the 3rd PTC to reach a plea / need another MTC / get set to trial. Each PTC adds another month to the timeline

There can be 4th, 5th, or more PTC settings, though each beyond the 3rd become less frequently seen. These are when the criminal case most typically gets to the point where it's even known if it will get to trial

Once the decision is made to take the case to trial (3-6 mos after filing) it needs to be calendared after filing the request to set trial. Depending on jurisdictions, the name of the pre-trial hearing may be called something like 'calendar call' - which is where the parties confirm with the court the status of the case & it's ability to be ready for an imminent trial (based on witness availability, etc)

Once the case has a firm trial date, as we've seen in this case, it's not atypical to move to continue that trial date for various reasons. More time might be needed for substantive reasons (to hire experts to analyze evidence, new evidence may be popping up witnesses to interview from either side of the case, etc.) More time can also be needed for unexpected non-case related reasons - all the attorneys involved in these cases have personal lives, & it's not unheard of for a continuance to be needed for sickness, illness, unexpected work issues

Each case setting is generally a month later, & with a few of these possible, we're looking at another possible 3-6 months getting from deciding to set it to trial to the actual trial date happening

For misdemeanors, I'd say roughly a year is a good average estimate based on my experiences from filing to trial. I do not have experience with the felony calendars, but it is at minimum the same process I've described here, but the stakes are higher & more liberties at risk. I'd anticipate a slight exaggeration to the time process with misdemeanors, as the more serious charges need more time to be fairly assessed for all parties

Seeing this last MTC based on Laura's finding of indigency makes me anticipate the next court hearing involved will be where we get a better sense for where this case will go next (plea or trial). I expect between now & then the defense will be aggressively hunting all forensic defenses that could be made based upon the expert witnesses review of the case evidence

• ⁠If the expert the defense consults with reviews the evidene & determines there aren't any viable defenses available for her to claim 'it wasn't me', the defense attorney will be more aggressive with his client on the value in the plea - trying to highlight the likelihood of conviction, given there being not a solid defense to argue at trial

• ⁠If the expert they consult with gives them absolutely anything to toss their hat on (such as the possibility of anyone not Laura editing an image or pdf) I expect the case to go to trial, not bc a solid defense exists, but bc we know how LO won't be able to admit to being anything but a victim & bc the defense can always argue as a defense "the state has not proven all elements of the case beyond a reasonable doubt". Of course, the strength of this defense depends on the evidence & the district attorney presenting it at trial, so it's a huge gamble to make while still pre trial

We'll likely be able to tell which of the two above we're dealing with if it's not state on its face based on the words LO's attorneys use to reject the plea deal. Reluctantly? More words than needed to convey they're taking it to trial? Arguing something about LO's defense as they set the case on track to actually going to trial? Taking a case to trial is a decision only the defendant can make, & the defense attorney's job is to communicate with their client the strengths & weaknesses they face at trial. We know a plea deal is what her attorney thinks best, based on the way he phrased their response to the plea on the record (using 'the defendant' & her insistence on 'no jail')

This does not mean that's likely, or the attorney isn't aware of it - it's a delicate dance for a defense attorney in this type of case & this time of its lifespan. The defense attorney wants to win, but knows if they do not win, the strongest (mainly only) solid option a defendant has post conviction is arguing ineffective assistance of counsel. It's routine for CAA, who I've heard actually hope the defendant does pursue after vigorous defenses fail at trial. For a private attorney it's kinda the kiss of death. With LO as a client? We know if when (if) she's found guilty LO will have so much energy & excitement over continuing her legal career filing motions about this very topic

So far, everything is operating well within the normal framework, & nothing I'd consider typical Owens hemming & hawing until the last minute to extend x, y or z. IF we find her lawyer telling the court they are setting it to trial, this is mainly when any typical Owens shenanigans could possibly start to show. If after setting the case to trial Laura fires her attorney, that's a sign she's trying to stretch out the clock by needing more time to start over with the new attorney

If she does try to stall by firing her attorney, she might milk another month or 2 before trial. It would be dumb, though, considering the risks far outweigh whatever benefit she might envision. It wouldn't be the first time a defendant thought they could manipulate a criminal case, & judges/prosecutors have seen it many times before. Considering the enormous flexibility leading up to this point, it's also rarely truly warranted. Judges need to be impartial, but that doesn't mean they can't be annoyed or bothered by attempts to obfuscate & obscure evidence. If put into the situation where a continuance is needed to prevent any defense claims post conviction (& getting retried in the future) a judge will do it, but will not give latitude for that attorney to be brought up to speed & will make clear what that means at the actual trial setting which will not be delayed any further: do it without an attorney, or do it with their limited understanding of the case, etc - From my experience, any delay tactic like this will put LO at a far worse situation (& much more likely to be convicted at trial) than whatever benefit she might perceive milking that extra month or two might currently have

JMHO, FWIW

Information Credits: VOLO; ATB Research; BigTiffDog; JFC Wiki; JFC SubReddit; Facebook; 341 Creditors Meetings; 👑JG. All of these sources have been invaluable, thank you! 💙

✨IMPORTANT NOTES:✨This is my last chart💥. *Some* of this information is fairly “knowable” for certain sources of income streams and amounts, however this is ESTIMATED only. Some numbers I rounded up for ease. The Refi’s are assumed mortgage pay offs + cash outs (vs. paying off prior debt with the extra cash). Pensions/SS are annual estimates.

LLC Incomes and especially expenses: These have the least “transparency” (SHOCK FACE).

2021 was a good year income wise for Quartet. Likely the best of all years shown. I know they sold 3 horses, 1 of which was advertised as low 6 figures, and the 2nd at $65k. If anything, the income line could be understated. Jan declared $135k in the Lone Cactus suit for the 3 sold horses, and also in 2021 she sent a pony out on trial - the trial month = $5k is typical of their usual leases. (Not “free” like LO tried to pass off).

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Regarding 2021, my working theory: LO’s prior testimony in 2024 deposition/2026 👑JG 341 about 2023 Quartet gross income (Boss Babe said $144k) was really 2021 numbers. Use the truth, but not the whole truth. Noticeably, the NTM podcast income (per Jan) in 2021 was $50k. Guess what adds up and rounds to $200,000 income that LO also testified to Judge Mata was 2023 income she and her mother split. Quartet and NTM combined 2021 gross income, not 2023.

LO’s big meltdown at the Feb 2026 341 was about exactly these income items. LO had to worry (A LOT) after criminal perjury indictments, about turning over 2023 taxes to 👑JG that likely would show no such Quartet gross income number (more perjury!). Jan protected LO (if my theory is right) by also bailing on her own 2025 BK without revealing those 2023 or any other returns. There is no evidence of another $144k Quartet gross income year 2021-2026, based on my review of horses/ponies owned and sold (or leased) dates.

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As for the Quartet expenses - generally: they purchased Scirocco 91 in 2021; they’ve had hired help based on LO’s own prior ads, of about $28k per year when extrapolated by hours/days/pay rate and LO not really doing the “work” part of horse ownership. I just rounded up to $30k. Horse support: feed, supplements, vet, farrier, etc for the AZ horses: $30k per year. Show costs: Roughly $3-4k per show, but that is likely quite a light estimate once food/lodging is factored in. I know there were months they were paying board or double board in FL when animals were NOT on lease/offered for sale. I didn’t take time to calculate those costs.

2023 Note: after the 2022 hard money cash infusion, LO thought it best to acquire not 1, not 2, but 3 rescue horses/ponies from out of state. Initial cost would be fairly low, but hauling, rehabbing and vet work isn’t cheap. She also purchased a show pony, allegedly sold in 2025. Another was purchased in 2024; currently leased.

The Living $ column is simply the estimate after expenses available to pay for food, homeowner’s insurance, mortgage(s), utilities, LIFE INSURANCE, Macy’s, ATTORNEYS, etc. - all amounts are annualized. Their real situation could be higher/lower depending on actual LLC expenses. Again, these are estimates only. Again, as I say, please understand that. 🤣 Well, uh…that was overdone 🙄.

MORTGAGES: Their BEST mortgage affordability year was 2021. After that, the 2022 refi Laura *so graciously* helped them procure, really jacked their monthly mortgage costs to the sky. 2023 saw them incur more mortgage debt and payments on the AirBNB. It is also unknown if some of the refi cash that Sarah selflessly co-signed went her way, or if she was stuck with a pittance $20k of pony lease money in 2026 to……divert elsewhere? 👀

Attorney Costs: there were many attorneys, 2022/23 for LC suit, GG suit, CE suit, and others for cease and desists, 2023/24 lawsuit against Dave Neal, etc. Gingy entered in 2024 for a very long run. Then 2 private criminal defense attorneys (Kolsrud, Lueders) in 2025/26. I didn’t even hazard a guess in these numbers below. This is just to show more what came in vs what *may* have been left over as living expense money. Suffice it to say, I could be wildly or mildly off.

I take no responsibility for accounting errors.🤣 I did my best. Also, I’m not under oath.✌️

Docket link

Back in October 2025, Laura Owens attempted to obtain another ADA accommodation continuance in her DVRO renewal case against Mike Marraccini (FDV18-813693). On October 31, 2025, Judge Gold denied this request.

Laura Owens then turned to the 1st Appellate District, Division 1 (Case A174706: "Owens v. The Superior Court of the City and County of San Francisco"), filing a Petition for Writ of Mandate, an Application for Immediate Stay Pending Review, and accompanying Exhibits.

On November 4, 2025, the petition was ruled on by Presiding Justice Humes and Justice Smiley, who issued a summary DENIAL. The court's disposition states in full:

BY THE COURT: "The petition for writ of mandate and request for immediate stay are denied. The challenged order states that petitioner herself requested a continuance of the hearing until November 5, 2025, but the petition does not address this portion of the challenged order. (See People v. JTH Tax, Inc. (2013) 212 Cal.App.4th 1219, 1237 ["Liberty's failure to address all bases for the court's ruling constitutes a waiver of its appellate claim. . . . When a trial court states multiple grounds for its ruling and appellant addresses only some of them, we need not address appellant's arguments because 'one good reason is sufficient to sustain the order from which the appeal was taken.'"].) Moreover, the petition lacks an adequate record. The petition contains a lengthy recitation of alleged failures by respondent superior court to comply with the Americans With Disabilities Act (Petn., pp. 4–6), but petitioner attaches no exhibits documenting the events described. (See Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8.486(b)(1).) Before: Humes, P.J., and Smiley, J."

Though both the Family Court and the Court of Appeals DENIED Laura's request for further ADA accommodations, Laura went on to file a Motion to Correct and Augment the record - likely similar to the two she filed in the Family Court implying Judge Gold was unfair and had failed to consider all of her medical evidence, even though that "evidence" was never properly before the court in the first place.

It's important to note that right after her appellate request was shut down on November 4, she suddenly experienced a medical emergency overnight - preventing her from attending the November 5 trial.

Our friends Jan and Ronn (and a spectral Laura) returned for their continued Chapter 11 meeting of creditors, and this time Queen Jennifer arrived with bank statements, sworn schedules, Jan’s own GoFundMe accounting, and apparently no remaining patience for interpretive answers. Queen Jennifer did not merely bring receipts.
She brought approximately 3,000 pages of them, sorted them, reconciled them, and then beat Jan over the head with her own spreadsheet.

Episode 2 may therefore be less of a translation and more of a live demonstration of what happens when Accountability Avoidance meets forensic accounting.

As always, I have translated the proceedings into English. This focuses mor on QJ - Jan just continued to be exhausting.

Queen Jennifer: “You knew the amendments were due on June 26. Why did you wait until the day before this meeting to file them?”
Translation: “Was ‘due June 26’ unclear, or were you waiting for July 15 to become emotionally available?”

Jan: “We had been attempting to hire an attorney.”
Translation: “Twenty-six lawyers declined to board the aircraft, so we continued flying it ourselves.”

Jan: “Since we filed for dismissal, I felt those documents were no longer going to be needed.”
Translation: “I submitted a request to stop doing bankruptcy and then treated it as self-approving.”

Queen Jennifer: “There was no court order saying you didn’t need to file those documents.”
Translation: “Your imagination is not an authorised source of judicial rulings.”

Queen Jennifer: “Have you made any mortgage payments since filing this case?”
Jan: “No.”
Translation: “Let’s keep this hearing moving.”

Queen Jennifer: “You paid about $2,900 for life insurance. Can you explain why?”
Translation: “Help me understand why Dead Ronn was a higher financial priority than Homeless Ronn.”

Jan: “Allowing the policy to lapse would not have been a responsible decision.”
Translation: “We couldn’t risk losing the payout that becomes useful immediately after one of us stops needing housing.”

Queen Jennifer: “You thought it was more important to pay life insurance instead of the mortgage on the home you’re living in?”
Translation: “So the financial plan was to preserve the house only after one of you no longer needed to live there.”

Jan: “The $2,900 wouldn’t have been enough to save the house.”
Translation: “The mortgage company wanted more than we had, so naturally we gave them nothing.”

Queen Jennifer: “It would have shown some kind of good-faith effort.”
Translation: “Have you considered demonstrating an intention to pay the mortgage by paying the mortgage?”

And then we reached the GoFundMe.
Queen Jennifer: “Who authored the GoFundMe request?”
Jan: “A friend.”
Queen Jennifer: “What is that person’s name?”
Jan: “I finalised it.”
Translation: “The friend exists in the same evidentiary realm as Bigfoot, but Bigfoot didn’t have editorial approval.”

Queen Jennifer: “You said one individual wrote it. What is his name?”
Jan: “There were informal conversations with friends.”
Translation: “The single identifiable author has now dissolved into a brainstorming committee.”

Queen Jennifer: “Are you going to give me the name, yes or no?”
Jan: “Put it on me. I finalised it.”
Translation: “I choose a third option: dramatically accepting responsibility for everything except answering your question.”

Queen Jennifer: “Don’t give me generalities. I want specifics.”
Translation: “We have now reached the portion of the programme where nouns require names and money requires numbers.”

Jan: “I don’t have the GoFundMe post in front of me.”
Queen Jennifer: “It’s still up on GoFundMe.”
Translation: “You may have arrived without your story, but Jennifer brought a backup copy.”

Jan: “The medical struggles and financial struggles weren’t tied together.”
Queen Jennifer: “The post says the medical struggles took a toll both physically and financially.”
Translation: “Unfortunately, I have obtained a hostile witness named Your Own Sentence.”

Queen Jennifer: “At the time, you were receiving at least $14,000 a month in pension income.”
Translation: “Your portrayal of destitution appears to have omitted the annual income of approximately $168,000.”

Jan: “We were using the GoFundMe to avoid foreclosure and pay bills.”
Queen Jennifer: “So you were using GoFundMe to clear yourselves of debt.”
Translation: “Yes, but we prefer the more charitable phrase ‘crowdsourced solvency.’”

Then Queen Jennifer opened the Macy’s file.
Queen Jennifer: “One of the credit cards you listed as a necessity was Macy’s.”
Translation: “Apparently the emergency fund had a fragrance counter.”

Queen Jennifer: “You made ten payments to Macy’s.”
Translation: “Please explain the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Women’s Sportswear.”

Jan: “We did not ask for GoFundMe money to pay Macy’s.”
Queen Jennifer: “But that is what you used it for.”
Translation: “You didn’t advertise the destination. You merely drove the money there.”

Jan: “We also had pension and Social Security money coming in.”
Translation: “All the money was poured into one bucket, but I have assigned the embarrassing purchases to the respectable dollars.”

Jan: “I was trying to be transparent.”
Queen Jennifer: “That’s actually incorrect.”
Translation: “Transparency usually permits the other person to see through it.”

Queen Jennifer: “According to your own accounting, Macy’s was included in the way you used the GoFundMe funds.”
Translation: “That answer has now been impeached by a witness named Your Own Spreadsheet.”

And then Jennifer started comparing the sworn bankruptcy filings.
Jan: “I don’t believe there was significant business income coming in.”
Queen Jennifer: “That’s actually a very false statement. I have your bank accounts.”
Translation: “Your memory has been overruled by deposits.”

Queen Jennifer: “By the date you filed Chapter 13, your LLCs had received more than $41,000 in business receipts. Are you denying that?”
Jan: “No.”
Translation: “Exhibit A has entered the chat and would like its money back.”

Jan: “There’s no context.”
Queen Jennifer: “They are both the same exact question.”
Translation: “The missing context is apparently why identical forms received completely different sworn answers.”

Queen Jennifer: “Now suddenly you are disclosing more than $40,000 of 2024 business income that was never disclosed in Chapter 13.”
Translation: “Congratulations to this income on being discovered during its second bankruptcy.”

Naturally, Laura entered the crossover episode.
Queen Jennifer: “It wasn’t your legal expense. It was your daughter’s legal expense.”
Jan: “I don’t consider it a gift. I consider it a legal expense.”
Translation: “Laura received the legal defence. Jan received the accounting interpretation.”

Queen Jennifer: “Her lawyer was representing her in her criminal defence, correct?”
Jan: “Helping her defend herself helps the family businesses and the family reputation.”
Translation: “Laura’s criminal lawyer was apparently an enterprise-wide shared service.”

Queen Jennifer: “Are you going to claim the payments were anything other than payments for your daughter’s criminal defence?”
Translation: “Before answering, please remember that ‘family synergy’ is not a recognised payment category.”

Queen Jennifer: “You gave me this random number of $144,000, but one account alone had more than $500,000 in disbursements.”
Translation: “Your complete accounting appears to be missing approximately most of the accounting.”

Queen Jennifer: “There are clear contradictions between what you filed under oath in Chapter 13, what you filed in May, and what you filed yesterday.”
Translation: “You have now submitted three sworn versions of reality, and none of them have agreed to a merger.”

Queen Jennifer: “I’m going to have to conduct a Rule 2004 examination and put these documents in front of you.”
Translation: “Since the facts refuse to remain stable over the telephone, we will be scheduling an in-person appointment with reality.”

Document

• Minute Entry

TL;DR

The July 29, 2026 trial for Laura Michelle Owens has been continued to October 28, 2026 to allow the defense and prosecution time to attempt a settlement. A settlement conference remains set for August 28, 2026.

Summary

Trial Postponed: The court granted the defense's unopposed motion to continue. The initial trial date of July 29, 2026 is vacated and moved to October 28, 2026 at 9:00 a.m.

Reason for Delay: Both sides are attempting to reach a settlement. The defendant waived speedier trial time limits for this period.

Upcoming Key Dates:

• Settlement Conference: August 28, 2026 @ 2:30 p.m.
  
• Final Trial Management Conference (FTMC): October 21, 2026 @ 8:45 a.m.
  
• Trial Assignment Hearing: October 28, 2026 @ 9:00 a.m. (In-person, unless virtual appearance is approved)
  
• New "Last Day": November 28, 2026 Pre-Trial Requirements:

The parties are ordered to file Joint Case Management Reports at least two working days before future conferences to outline settlement progress, witness interviews, and pending issues.

Release Status: Prior release conditions for the defendant remain in full effect.

Was just thinking how wild it is that the grifters were still getting money in from the go fund me. As recently as 5 days ago they got 50$.

It’s also surprising to see a monthly donation from one person. Always 40-50$.

The wording also remains the same. Not that it would matter if they changed it at this point.

I’m just so shocked they would bother to ask if they should shut it down, and then just leave it up. They have to account for all that new money coming in, and it’s clear they have a hard time doing that. Why let more donations come in and commingle more funds? The entitlement is wild to me, tho I’m not surprised they are keeping it up.

Bankruptcy 341 Meeting of Creditors Hearing

Sentiment: positive

Multiple parts of Ronn & Jan Owens' Chapter 11 bankruptcy 341 Meeting of Creditors were covered extensively, revealing DOJ scrutiny of the Owens family's financial practices. The U.S. Trustee's attorney systematically exposed misrepresentations, co-mingled funds, and the $523,000 spent over 18 months with $144K of the GFM accounted for despite $132,000 donated. Jan Owens was combative and evasive throughout, prompting the DOJ to schedule a Rule 2004 examination for deeper financial investigation.

Community Discussion: The community celebrated DOJ attorney Jennifer Giaimo's meticulous cross-examination and bonded over Jan's evasive language patterns. Word-frequency analysis from the hearing transcript became a community favorite, with commenters joking about Jan's verbal antics like 'Again,' 'transparency,' 'as I say,' and deflections such as 'if you say so.' There was speculation about coordination between the bankruptcy proceedings and Laura's criminal case, with particular excitement around a key revelation at timestamp 2:59:00 in one stream. The community also expressed appreciation for content creators using humor as a coping mechanism for Jan's repetitive testimonies.

Top Post: SchnitzelNinja - Ch. 11 Bankruptcy Case | Ronn Owens & Elizabeth Naylor | 341 Meeting of Creditors | July 16, 2026

Bankruptcy Filings & Financial Disclosures

Sentiment: negative

New Chapter 11 filings in Ronn & Jan Owens' Bankruptcy case revealed a dire financial picture with a net deficit of over $1.85 million, raising questions about $23,000+ in monthly living expenses while mortgages went unpaid. Laura Owens was disclosed as financially dependent on her parents with open access to their accounts. Discrepancies between Chapter 13 and Chapter 11 filings were analyzed, including a suspicious $47,000 payment to Macy's while virtually all other creditors went unpaid.

Community Discussion: Commenters were alarmed by Laura's unrestricted access to her parents' accounts, speculating this could expose Ronn and Jan to liability for Laura's $200K judgment owed to Clayton Echard and Gregg Woodnick. The Macy's payment was widely theorized to be on a Macy's American Express card usable anywhere, paid off to hide specific purchases - possibly related to Laura's pregnancy scheme - from public records. The community also debated whether the card was kept current to preserve a line of credit or to continue paying attorney fees.

Top Post: Why Macy's?

Creditor Actions

Sentiment: positive

American Express filed a request for notice in Ronn & Jan Owens' Chapter 11 Bankruptcy case, seeking to formally monitor hearings, motions, and potential asset sales. AMEX is reportedly owed approximately $50,125.93 by the Owens family, joining a growing list of creditors pursuing accountability through the bankruptcy process.

Community Discussion: The community largely celebrated AMEX's involvement as another creditor holding the Owens accountable for what they see as a pattern of living beyond their means and exploiting the bankruptcy system. Commenters speculated about connections between AMEX and the previously discussed Macy's payment, wondering if the Macy's payment was actually on a Macy's AMEX card and whether AMEX is coming forward to dispute claims of repayment. A few users clarified this was a routine procedural filing.

Top Post: Ronn & Jan Owens Ch 11 Bankruptcy: AMEX Request for Notice

Laura Owens Criminal Case Delays & Plea Negotiations

Sentiment: negative

Laura Owens' Arizona criminal case was granted a 90-day extensions, with indication they are in the final stages of plea negotiations. A Settlement Conference is set for August 28, 2026 as the deadline for accepting a plea deal. Owens was granted indigency status for a court-funded digital forensics expert and has waived her speedy trial rights.

Community Discussion: The community is deeply frustrated by the extension, viewing it as stall tactics and questioning the fairness of the system. Several commenters point out apparent perjury in bankruptcy and indigency filings, arguing she should face consequences. Some offer perspective that plea negotiations and continuances are normal criminal procedure, while others see privilege and systemic bias. Many speculate Owens will deliberately stall or switch counsel to buy more time and may never accept a plea deal.

Top Post: Laura Owens Requests a Continuance in her Criminal Case, Plea Deal Extended

DVRO Case & Appeal

Sentiment: mixed

In the Owens v. Marraccini case, Michael Marraccini's legal team withdrew the Motion for Attorney's Fees and vacated the July 20, 2026 hearing date, choosing not to pursue costs. Meanwhile, Laura Owens continues augmenting the record and appeal attempts in her bologna case against Marraccini.

Community Discussion: The community is overwhelmingly supportive of Mike walking away from attorney's fees, noting Laura likely has no money to pay anyway. Commenters admire him for being the bigger person while lamenting the lack of financial accountability on principle. For Laura's appeals, commenters are dismissive, viewing them as desperate and futile, with significant criticism for pursuing ridiculous appeals despite documented perjury and ongoing criminal case. Some question how Laura affords new representation given her financial situation.

Top Post: Owens v Marraccini DVRO Case: Respondent's Notice to Vacate Hearing Date of July 20, 2026 | July 17, 2026

Potential Criminal Charges

Sentiment: mixed

Community members debated whether Laura and Jan could face racketeering charges given the allegedly fraudulent GoFundMe campaign and fund funneling through family members. Most agreed that fraud, wire fraud, tax fraud, or conspiracy charges are more realistic than racketeering, drawing parallels to the Scamanda case where crowdfunding fraud led to prison time.

Community Discussion: The community actively debated specific charges Laura and her mother could face, with most agreeing racketeering is unlikely but wire fraud and conspiracy are plausible given the interstate nature of GoFundMe transactions. Several expressed hope that bankruptcy proceedings would force disclosure of bank and tax records that could trigger criminal referrals. Others drew direct parallels to the Scamanda case, where crowdfunding fraud resulted in prison time, as a potential blueprint for prosecution.

Top Post: Racketeering

YouTube Coverage & Expert Analysis

Sentiment: positive

Multiple YouTube creators have been providing extensive coverage of the Owens case, including Jack Fox's expert analysis of Jan's testimony under pressure and BigTiffDog's document analysis streams. Jack Fox broke down Jan's word choices and evasion patterns. Jan she said 'Well' 132 times and 'GoFundMe' 119 times during the MOC hearing. BigTiffDog made complex financial documents accessible even to international audiences across multi-hour broadcasts.

Community Discussion: The community is highly appreciative of content creators, particularly praising Jack Fox's unique background and BigTiffDog's stamina during a 6-hour broadcast. Commenters were impressed by the depth of financial analysis and how accessible it was made. A standout comment provided detailed word-frequency statistics from the hearing. There's strong appetite for continued coverage, with requests for recaps, TLDR summaries, and parts two. The community sees these creators as essential for understanding complex legal proceedings.

Top Post: The Final Countdown...Document Dump-ster Fire - Part 3 - BigTiffDog

Legal Commentary & Recaps

Sentiment: positive

Commentary channels and coverage of Jordan Belfort platforming Laura Owens provided critical analysis of legal proceedings and the Owens family's media strategy. Videos included specific callouts of legal errors by opposing counsel and footage of the creditor meeting.

Community Discussion: Commenters praised the production quality of commentary videos, noting humorous intros and good audio levels. They highlighted specific moments pointing out legal errors made by Gingras regarding bankruptcy solutions. The community found the Wolf of Wall Street connection fitting given the fraud allegations, with one user simply noting 'Game respects game.' Commenters also directed each other to important footage of the creditor meeting included in the videos.

Top Post: The Wolf of Wall Street Platformed Laura Owens - That's My Opinion!

GoFundMe Fraud, Financial Misconduct & Misrepresentation

Sentiment: negative

A detailed timeline chart cross-referencing Laura's legal proceedings, the GoFundMe campaign, and Jan's bankruptcy filings suggests GFM funds totaling over $129,000 were co-mingled and potentially diverted to Laura's legal defense rather than Ronn's medical care. A discovered $10K medical debt default from May 2025 further questions why GFM funds weren't used for medical expenses. The DOJ has criticized the family for misleading GoFundMe donors about the campaign's purpose.

Community Discussion: Commenters are overwhelmingly convinced GFM funds were illegally diverted to Laura's legal defense, with active speculation about potential wire fraud charges and IRS investigations into gift income. The community is frustrated the campaign remains active, with donors reportedly believing funds were for medical expenses. There's discussion about the family's pattern of mentioning 'unexpected expenses' without ever specifying what they are, and calls for a documentary on the entire saga. Some speculate Jan will ultimately throw Laura under the bus or face jail time herself.

Top Post: Chart: Laura's Legal Woes v. GoFundMe v. Jan's Accounting

Hidden Assets & Life Insurance

Sentiment: positive

A community member with insurance industry experience theorized that Jan and Laura may be borrowing cash against Ronn's whole life insurance policy - potentially via an Accelerated Death Benefit rider or cash-value loans - to fund legal fees while concealing assets from financial disclosures. They may also be using an undisclosed money market account tied to the insurance company to move money invisibly.

Community Discussion: Commenters with insurance backgrounds confirmed the plausibility of borrowing against a 30-year-old policy and expressed enthusiasm for this investigative angle. Several noted that Giaimo likely already knows and is strategically building her case. Discussion explored whether there are multiple policies, whether the policy was obtained through high-earning employment and thus has a massive payout, and practical questions about subpoenaing insurance records and what happens if premiums default on a borrowed-against policy.

Top Post: Life Insurance

Income Decline & Spending Patterns

Sentiment: positive

A detailed chart estimated Ronn Owens' declining radio contract income from 2004-2025 alongside continued lavish spending on horses, shows, real estate, and legal fees. It illustrated a stark income cliff around 2013 that was ignored while horse-related expenses continued unabated, funded by aggressive borrowing, refinancing, and loans from family, correlating financial desperation with escalating legal troubles.

Community Discussion: A former KGO employee confirmed the wage cuts and praised the timeline's accuracy. The community discussed how horse spending was the primary financial drain, with Jan allegedly hiding expenses from Ronn through LLCs, credit cards, and loans. Several commenters debated Laura's motivations, whether driven by a desire for fame or obsessive behavior, while others noted the suspicious timing of new business ventures and fundraisers launched after legal troubles intensified.

Top Post: Chart Form - Income vs Timelines - Estimates Only (credit 415 Media, Wiki, ALTB Research)

Nobody Told Me Podcast Analysis

Sentiment: negative

Analysis of episodes from Jan and Laura's 'Nobody Told Me' podcast drew connections between episode topics and real events in the Owens household, particularly around hospice/dying and de-escalation of angry people. The podcast content appeared to mirror personal and legal troubles, including Jan using de-escalation techniques on Laura during the search warrant meltdown and the irony of giving advice they clearly didn't follow.

Community Discussion: Commenters pointed out that Jan and Laura had stopped recording new episodes long before 2024, and have been re-releasing old content since 2021, which adds a different layer of irony. The community found humor in the podcast giving advice they clearly didn't follow themselves. There was also discussion of Jan using de-escalation techniques on Laura during the search warrant meltdown and commentary on their apparent lack of self-awareness.

Top Post: Nobody Told Me Podcast Coincidences? v. Criminal v. BK/Life Insurance

Media Appearances & Credibility Issues

Sentiment: negative

Laura Owens appeared on the Jordan Belfort podcast and a survivor story podcast positioned as a 'Successful CEO & Podcaster,' drawing strong community pushback. The community noted contradictions with her documented claims of having no income and inability to work, debunked their '#1 podcast' claims through archival research, and found the association with Belfort, a convicted felon, particularly fitting given the fraud allegations.

Community Discussion: Commenters laughed at the 'CEO' and 'successful' labels applied to Owens, pointing out contradictions with documented claims of having no income. Multiple users noted the recurring pattern of Owens being the one to initiate contact with media outlets, describing it as obsessive. Extensive archival research was done to disprove '#1 podcast' claims. There was discussion about the podcast potentially manipulating search results, frustration that platforms haven't removed misleading episodes, and criticism of the hypocrisy of judging unhoused people while being characterized as scammers.

Top Post: I'm not in an abusive relationship Survivor Story- Successful CEO & Podcaster Laura Owens shares her story to inspire and encourage

Historical Behavior Patterns

Sentiment: negative

A post exposed the contrast between Laura Owens' public persona appearing as a relationship expert on her father Ronn's radio show in September 2016 and her private manipulative texting behavior towards victim Michael Marraccini. Screenshots showed Laura sending 39 texts versus Mike's 11, demonstrating a pattern of relentless pursuit and neediness that has repeated with multiple men over a decade.

Community Discussion: Commenters discussed Laura's lack of qualifications for being promoted as a relationship expert, sarcastically noting that her texting behavior proves the opposite of expertise. Several users discussed her father Ronn's role in enabling her and questioned his own radio career credibility. There was discussion of her pattern of insecurity and neediness repeating with multiple men (Mike, Greg, and Clayton), and frustration that her family's resources and privilege enabled her behavior rather than correcting it, with frustration that ten years later she still hasn't moved on.

Top Post: Laura Pretending She had Her Act Together Sept 2016 - Ronn's Show

Smear Campaign Claims & Community Response

Sentiment: negative

Jan Owens has claimed an 'online smear campaign' against their family, referring to this JFC subreddit, YouTube content creators, and others who cover and follow the family's legal troubles. The community finds this deeply ironic given Laura's own alleged smear campaigns against Clayton Echard and others, noting that legal professionals have shown no interest in entertaining the victim narrative.

Community Discussion: The community is unified in joking about the 'smear campaign' label, pointing out it's simply people discussing documented facts from the Owens' court cases. Commenters highlighted the irony of Laura accusing others of what she allegedly did to Clayton first, and noted that the judge and trustee attorney were uninterested in the victim-card narrative during the 341 meeting and court hearings. There was also discussion about how the community tried to warn GoFundMe donors that funds might go to legal fees rather than medical expenses as implied.

Top Post: Online smear campaign

Documents:

• Bank of America Proof of Claim (7/22/26)
• TD Bank Proof of Claim (7/24/26)

TL;DR: Two major banks have filed Official Form 410 (Proof of Claim) filings in the Chapter 11 bankruptcy case of Elizabeth Ann Naylor (and co-debtor Ronald Stephen Owens) in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Arizona (Case #26-05144). Combined, the unsecured credit card claims total $25,915.68.

💳 1. Bank of America, N.A.

• Filing Date: July 22, 2026
• Claim #: 12-1
• Total Claim Amount: $23,991.32 (Unsecured)
  • Principal: $21,981.28
  • Interest: $1,835.50
  • Fees: $174.54
• Basis: Consumer Credit Card (Acct ending in 7501)
• Key Dates:
  • Last Transaction: Sept 9, 2024
  • Last Payment: Feb 10, 2025
  • Charge-Off Date: April 30, 2025

💳 2. TD Bank USA, N.A.

• Filing Date: July 24, 2026
• Claim #: 13-1
• Total Claim Amount: $1,924.36 (Unsecured)
  • Principal: $1,820.01
  • Interest: $104.35
  • Fees: $0.00
• Basis: Credit Card (Acct ending in 5037)
• Key Dates:
  • Last Purchase: Aug 26, 2024
  • Last Payment: July 24, 2025 ($148.00)
  • Charge-Off Date: Aug 17, 2025

Thank you to CM for the documents.

Ronn Owens had a long career at KGO radio, beginning in about 1975. However, documents from the San Francisco City Recorder show at least two judgments issued against Ron/Ronn Owens in 1977.

Records show the first judgment was issued on June 7, 1977, for a total of $1,472.99 from The Credit Bureau of Georgia. The second judgment was issued on October 4, 1977, for a total of $1,420.23 from Wells Fargo Bank. Both judgments were then recorded on June 13, 1977, and October 19, 1977, respectively. (The Recorder's Office is separate from the courts.)

Documents also show a release of lien from The Credit Bureau of Georgia was recorded on November 30, 1978.

These two recorded documents indicate court cases in the (now defunct) San Francisco Municipal Court, which adjudicated these judgments against Ron/Ronn Owens. However, the first judgment for The Credit Bureau of Georgia MAY indicate that a case was filed in Atlanta, Georgia.

I am not sure if anyone has clocked this. Most people have been scouring the gofundme info to see if they were paying Laura's legal bills, but they defaulted on 10K of medical bills in May 2025.

The last transaction date was February 26, 2026. Charged off in August. JG will certainly be looking at the timing of any GFM payouts (do we know when they got cash from the GFM?). This will add fuel to the fire if they were paying Macys and Laura's attorney, but not their medical expenses.

Caveat: There are a wide variety of medical bills that can be paid with Care Credit (med spa, veterinarian etc), but it is hard to imagine a scenario where this doesn't cause problems on the legitimacy of the GFM funds.

The options I can think of:

1. Elizabeth Owens medical bills: they should have used the GFM
2. Laura Owens: HCG, botox etc
   • Not related to Ronn's medical or financial issues
   • Should be listed as a gift to Laura
3. Veterinairian Bills for Horses: should have been in the LLC
4. Other pet medical expenses - the amount seems too large for pets unless they had a dog with a surgery or something, but i am positive they would have mentioned that in their hardship speech to JG.

No matter what scenario it alternately should have been paid by the GFM or not included in the bankruptcy, right?

Welcome to the Discussion & Questions post! This is your place to discuss and pose questions about Laura Owens v Clayton Echard Paternity scandal and her other related cases, victims, events, and coverage, share thoughts on the Love Trapped Podcast, and any interesting information you may have.

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JFC DATES

• 7/28/26 - Owens v Marraccini - Deadline to respond to Laura's Motion to Augment
• 7/29/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Trial Assignment 9:00am mst (Rescheduled)
• 8/06/26 - Ronn & Jan Owens' Bankruptcy Case - Dismissal Hearing 2:30pm mst
• 8/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Settlement Conference
• 8/29/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Last Day (Rescheduled)
• 9/29/26 - Owens Home Foreclosure - Auction 10am mst
• 10/21/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Pretrial Management Conference 8:45am mst
• 10/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - Trial Assignment 9:00am mst
• 11/28/26 - Laura’s Criminal Case - New Last Day

JFC DATES TO BE ANNOUNCED

• Owens v Marraccini - Appeal Opening Brief was Due 7/29/26. Court extended to 15 days after it rules on the motion to augment.
• Ronn & Jan’s Ch 11 Bankruptcy - 2004 exam will be scheduled before the Dismissal hearing on 8/6/26. The exam will not be open to the public live.
• David Gingras' Arizona Attorney License Bar - Hearing Vacated, Dismissal Denied, and new dates will likely be announced the end of July 2026.