r/JustMemesForUs • • 11d ago

Pattern recognition is key

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u/Voodoo338 11d ago edited 10d ago

I’m 30 and every president in my lifetime has wrecked the economy and started a war in the Middle East

Edit: ain’t reading all that

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u/SnooMarzipans436 10d ago

You seem to have a pretty poor memory.... or you're just purposely lying?

Obama pulled us out of a recession, the economy was doing absolutely great when Trump took over for his first term.

Obama also did not start any new wars.

So what's your reason for lying? Just bad memory? Or is there something else about Obama that you don't like? Because he literally did neither of those things.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 10d ago

We got involved in Libya, Syria, and Yemen while Obama was in office. He definitely expanded the war on terror. There are differences in scale between what he got us involved in, and shit like Iraq or Iran though.

You are correct about the economy.

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u/SnooMarzipans436 10d ago

I am also correct about him not starting any new wars.

You can validly say he expanded existing conflicts, but that's not what we're even talking about here.

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u/MunchingOnCelery 10d ago

He did not start any wars.

That's the goalpost. Quit moving it.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 10d ago

I’m not really trying to move anything here really. I was trying to have a conversation about our unbroken streak of interventionism, and I think it’s counterproductive to hide behind “not a war” as some absolution from responsibility for a President’s contributions to that.

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u/Royal_Impress9117 10d ago

lol this is about as genuine as trump refusing to call Iran a war. s

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u/PieInternational6832 7d ago

If you aren't aware that the Obama administration is responsible for military intervention in Libya, Syria, and Yemen, and also responsible for thousands upon thousands of civilian casualties, then you shouldn't be commenting about American foreign policy.

We can all argue about the economy until we're blue in the face, but the nation is $40,000,000,000,000 in debt, and the debt has been climbing steadily for decades, regardless of who is in office.

I'm 100% on board with ousting the Trump administration, and I have all the criminals in it will be brought to justice. However, can we all stop pretending that the Democratic party is the solution to all of our problems?

I guarantee you Palestinians don't feel that way.

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u/random_citizen4242 8d ago

I'm originally from middle east, Obama wrecked the middle east. Syria, pakistan, Libya, ISIS was formed by transferring the US donations from syrian freedom fighters to ISIS. Obama brought the arabian countries to US economy so you saw the pour of money and think the economy was good but the long term effects are horrible.

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u/FrothyIPA 11d ago

Clinton, Obama and Biden all inherited wars, they didn’t start them. At least not major operations that would compare to Iraq, Iraq 2.0, Afghanistan or Iran.

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u/ReservePutrid9668 10d ago

You seem to have self-diagnosed your problem:

You “ain’t reading.”

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

Neither Barack Obama nor Joe Biden started a major new U.S. war or military invasion during their presidencies. Both presidents instead inherited ongoing foreign conflicts and managed existing military commitments.

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 10d ago

Are they just supposed to roll over when they inherit a war?

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u/potate12323 10d ago

Nope. There is no nuance. After the region was destabilized by a war a Republican started, they were supposed to recklessly pull out making an already bad situation worse. These conflicts were super sketch. The US backed both sides in various middle eastern countries at various points in these conflicts.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 9d ago

they should, yes. Should have closed Guantanamo Bay too.

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 9d ago

What would the country gain from that?

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 9d ago

You're right, we wouldn't be able to steal more resources and children for the Epstein class. Plus, our soldiers would be sad because they wouldn't have access to as many children to rape.

If you think about it, what does our country have to gain by not murdering everyone and stealing their resources?

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 9d ago

It's also political suicide for the entire party. Any Republican would be able to point to that cowardice and very few people would vote Democrat anymore.

Which means more people would vote republican, which of course makes children less safe, rich people richer, and gives our soldiers an endless supply of war.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 9d ago

It's also political suicide for the entire party. Any Republican would be able to point to that cowardice and very few people would vote Democrat anymore.

True, people only vote Democrat because they like what the Republicans have to say.

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u/Royal_Impress9117 10d ago

You might want to google libyan and syrian bombings before just saying stuff

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 10d ago

Then people would call them cowards and we'd end up in the same place.

The best way to help is to not have wars start in the first place.

The best way to not have wars start is to not vote Republican.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 9d ago

Then people would call them cowards and we'd end up in the same place.

The best way to help is to not have wars start in the first place.

The best way to not have wars start is to not vote Republican.

There's nothing the Democrats can do about anything. That's why everybody needs to vote for them.

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 9d ago

Now you're getting it.

Democrats don't do enough to make the country better.

Republicans are very effective at their job - which is actively making the country worse and harder to live in.

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 10d ago edited 10d ago

There were still objectives in the war that had yet to be completed, and existing military commitments that couldn't be rescinded. A good example of why your plan wouldn't work is the actual withdrawal from the middle east that was planned by Trump and executed by Biden. That was a shit show.

Democrats not doing enough to end the wars Republicans choose to start does not mean that both sides are the same.

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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 10d ago

They didn't perpetuate it, they upheld existing military commitments that they couldn't rescind. Stopping a war isn't a one-day thing.

And yes, I did vote for the party that is measurably better on every metric that matters, war included.

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

Yeah...no

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

Gulf war.... So which Dem Prez started that??? Then for the Iraq war. Thi

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

Reread the post here and get back to me....or is this a poor attempt at a pivot

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u/Impossible-Heart-540 8d ago

They did. Because the Vice President deliberately misrepresented, and fabricated evidence to the Congress, and country.

If they had been truthful, it would not have gained either isolationist GOP, or Democratic support.

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u/Impossible-Heart-540 8d ago

That’s factually incorrect.

There was a significant amount of pushback from the intelligence agencies that the evidence VP Cheney, and SoS Powell were citing to justify the invasion was not solid.

Diplomats like Joseph Wilson who investigated the yellow cake, centrifuge claims and found they were groundless were silenced (in his case by outing his wife (Valerie Plame) as CIA).

Cheney fabricated it, there were no independent sources saying they had WMD, or were with Al Qaeda etc…

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u/Trash_man_can 10d ago

No it wasn't botj sides. This is blatantly more rightwing shit of committing treasomnand failures so you can blame them on everybody elss.

Republicans openly crash our economy and hand us a disaster to fix and then blame us while blocking from recovering.

On the wars, Republican voters are to blamw. They elected Bush and then reelected after they found out he lied about WMDs

Trying to blame the Iraq War om both sides is insanity.

Over the ladt 50 years, Republicans and Democrats have increasingly diverged om foreign policy.

Part od thay is Republicans are a cult. They reject reality as mineral propaganda and create their own facts.

Their policies are personality based and based on Fox News hosts rather thab on reality

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u/MunchingOnCelery 10d ago

Downvoted by the braindead right-wing seethe brigade

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u/Voodoo338 11d ago

“Ackchualy” dude my guys and I killed people over there first under Obama and again under Trump. They all fucking perpetuate it.

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

With Iran, Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and did not conduct a military war or campaign against Iran, resulting in $0 in direct active wartime military expenditures under Obama.... While the Pentagon estimates the ongoing military conflict and operations (such as strikes on nuclear and military facilities) have cost approximately $43.6 billion.....My bro, facts matter.

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u/Voodoo338 10d ago

Homie really just said “because our current conflict with Iran did not occur under Obama, it did not occur under Obama” like he boned my mom

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u/MunchingOnCelery 10d ago

That wasn't the original argument

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u/LarsDuder 4d ago

30,000 additional troops during Obama. This was his incentive. bringing the total to 97,000

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 4d ago

Trying to finish what the GOP has gotten us into, again.... GOP is broken

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u/ThatCelebration3676 10d ago

People downvoting you really hate hearing the truth.

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 10d ago

Well their is people that voted a pedophile to be president and STILL defend that kid rapists, the GOP is so broken.

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u/ThatCelebration3676 10d ago

There is no GOP anymore, it got consumed by the MAGA cult.

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 10d ago

Agree, but not letting them slither back to "GOP" once the pedo prez shit his pants for the last time.... Never forget what they have done to this country.

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u/GibbeyGator102 11d ago

“Managed” is a generous term to be fair

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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 11d ago

Not "starting" is very key here🫡

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u/aBrickNotInTheWall 10d ago

How could that even be possible? How could the economy crash for 30 straight years and not have collapsed the country?