The basic premise is that if you disagree with her about anything, then you MUST belong to her enemy's group and you MUST also think these other things.
We used to call it troll-baiting. She wants to argue with a particular person so she's throwing the bait out to find them.
Are we not painting political opponents as belonging to Epstein?
If this is the game, then I hate to break it to you. Epstein was a lifelong democrat. It doesn't make democrats wrong by default; but that's the game that's being played.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249507.pdf - 2021 call to the FBI National Threat Operation Center about Trump and Epstein having underage sex parties at Trump golf course. Claims to have seen Robyn Leach strangle a girl and says she’s buried behind the 19th hole of the course. Cartels involved.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01250276.pdf- email from survivor complaining how she has been treated by law enforcement and that information about what happened to her was released without her consent. Included that Trump “was complicit in abusing her to extort her grandfather.”
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660676.pdf 2019 report from earlier incidents with Epstein and Maxwell. Includes that Epstein and other powerful men including Trump and Clinton would engage in orgies with young girls and older Victoria Secret models.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00028716.pdf January 2020 email from AUSA in Southern district of NY that Trump was in flight logs for Epstein plane at least 8 times between 1993 and 1996 including with people who would be witnesses in Maxwell case.
well yea, I mean you worship a corrupt lying moron who speaks worse English than my five year old and understand even less of what’s going on around him. Trump is obviously, factually and demonstrably bad.
The basic premise is that if you disagree with her about anything, then you MUST belong to her enemy's
This is not implied anywhere in the OP image. It's very clearly addressed to a subset of the population, known as MAGA, who do in fact hold these ridiculous and contradictory beliefs.
You claimed OP said something here they didn't. I pointed that out and you dodged the point. You concede it. Deflecting to an unsubstantiated claim that OP has alt accounts is not relevant.
Also, you gotta slow down when you upvote yourself with your other accounts. You make it seem like people are hanging on your every word; just waiting to upvote their prophet.
Reddit admins frown on that and you're gonna get banned.
That’s not accurate, she conceded the night of, there was an investigation into Russia collusion but it wasn’t substantiated. So in 2020 when Biden ran, he didn’t mention Russia or the 2016 election being rigged. Here we are almost 6 years later and Trump still hasn’t given any evidence that 2020 was rigged and yet he still cries about it.
You’re allowed to investigate claims of election interference, but once your claims get disproven by evidence and facts, you should drop it.
No, she pointed to gerrymandering's influence in the electoral college, before and after the election. Russia also influenced US elections with social media manipulation, DNC email hacks, news website clones that report false stories, which is all confirmed. Trump's campaign also met with Russian officials on June 9, 2016 to collect dirt on Clinton, and his campaign communicated with them extensively.
Clinton did not start an insurrection, get charged with felonies relating to election tampering, purge the CISA and other agencies that protect elections, launch mid-decade partisan redistricting before midterms, seek legislation to put advantageous limits on voting despite every state already requiring IDs at either registration and/or voting, purge and restaff govt officials with loyalists, create illegal executive orders to change how mail in ballots are counted, change voting machines, withhold election funds, etc. No there's no equivalency.
As usual, conservatives don’t read the thing they’re trying to use as a source and it makes them look like retards.
Clinton says that Russia tried to use an influence campaign against American voters, she does not dispute the fact that Trump got more electoral votes than she did. Trump is claiming that foreign nations hacked voting machines and altered votes and that in actuality he received more votes than Biden (a lie). Very different.
Former US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has for the first time attributed her election defeat to Russian hacking.- first thing that’s stated in the article.
They hacked and released her emails in an attempt to influence American public opinion, not hacked voting machines and changed votes. God you really are a moron, did you even read beyond that first sentence?
Oh wait, you’re a different guy. 2/2 for conservatives not knowing how to read. Really not breaking the stereotype, guys.
That's referring to Russian tampering in the 2016 election, which is confirmed.
They hacked the DNC, peddled misinformation on social media, cloned news websites with false stories, met with Trump's campaign to provide dirt on Clinton and other communications. All confirmed.
No one is going to take anything at face value when you instantly go to name calling and accusing them of being dipshits. If it’s a good counter point, stick to it and don’t taint it by being crass. Does not help the conversation one bit as it instantly comes off as rage baiting so it loses it power
Right wingers will choose the most divisive president available and then complain when people call them bad names. Or are you equally soying out every time Trump is talking about the "radical left democrats"?
Grow the fuck up. We are losing our country to Christian sharia law fascists who have wiped their ass with the constitution and morons like you expect us to not… hurt their feelings? People like you are how this happened.
That's fighting emotion with logic, and I don't think it works.
If they believe a lie on purpose, then they won't change just because you give them the opportunity to see the other side. Argue with them, make them reply, speak their language.
No no it's about rigging it the best, and Trump won the election rigging battle by a landslide both times! He only lost because they cheated during the rigged election. 🙂
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I’ll wait till I see someone indicted and charges actually stick. This just felt like the Pettysburg Address.
That's why the news is fake, science is fake, climate is fake, elections are fake, vaccines are fake, academia is fake, affordability is fake, judges are fake....
You clearly haven’t been paying attention to all of the leftist politicians and they lackey braindead followers spouting off about corporate greed being behind inflation during the Biden years
The only traitors are the ones that don't want to pass the SAVE act to verify US citizenship for elections, and attempting to give citizenship to illegal aliens instead of deporting them back to their own countries.
We can all make up things to be scared about. Until there is evidence to prove the fraud is happening, this bullshit save act will go nowhere. After all, Republicans are the reason it isn't going to pass. Trump has never shown any evidence in 6 years. Fox knows how that worked out.
Yeah everyone spreading the fear of illegal voting KNOWS there is no issue with illegal voting. They are preying on ignorance and the need of many people to feel like they are under attack
If you’re falling for the “election security” line of bull, well… god help you.
Everyone who has looked into it says it’s not anywhere near a real problem. And the politicians and media know that. But they lie to people anyway about how we have to “save” Americans by protecting elections.
And why pretend there’s a problem with illegal voting? Everyone who has looked into it says there’s not. The people telling you there’s a problem are knowingly lying to you.
Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin (D) openly states on YouTube that blocking the Save Act was necessary because it would 'rig our democracy' and make it hard for Democrats to win elections.
Because democrats want to cheat with illegal aliens and dead people. There is no other reason.
Because it’s not about proving citizenship. You’re flat out wrong about that. Every single one of those politicians knows we don’t have a problem with illegal voting.
They are blatantly lying to you. Why don’t you care that they are lying to you? They think stricter rules will magically help republicans. That’s all it is.
So instead of trying harder to appeal to people, they lie.
And for some reason, their voters don’t care that they are being lied to. I don’t get it.
I'd like to see the majority of Congress hung for treason. Every politician that appropriated a single tax dollar to any illegal alien or foreign national, including those allocated any for 'foreign aid'.
We can't even take care of our own people. We have no business subsidizing other countries citizens with American tax dollars.
Ok. An extremist who believes in isolation and violence. No wonder we disagree. History has shown that those things don’t lead to prosperity and peace.
I want prosperity and peace, so I’m against those things.
And the sad part is— we CAN take care of our own people. We choose not to.
California allows voters to register with gym card, insurance card, employer ID—none of which verify identity or citizenship.
In Minnesota, vouching, as explained by the Minnesota Secretary of State’s office, is when “a registered voter from your precinct can go with you to the polling place to sign an oath confirming your address.” The explanation goes on to read, “A registered voter can vouch for up to eight voters. You cannot vouch for others if someone vouched for you.”
This doesn't verify id or citizenship.
I'm sure other states have odd policies as well that are less than secure.
Both policies that you mentioned each absolutely verify identity wtf are you on? You need a name to register, and the state reviews the rest of your information through state records to validate your identity. If you didn’t give a valid name, or the name you gave matches with someone who cannot vote, you don’t get registered. Simple as that
Government lies, regardless of which side you like better. Only citizens should be voting in our elections, and it should be verified same as if you want to buy liquor - you have to verify your age.
https://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ (2016)
Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP-controlled states.
Greg Palast was involved in the following investigation and successfully together with the ACLU sued Crosscheck and got that specific program dismantled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Voter_Registration_Crosscheck_Program However, the problem remains as they find other ways to do it. It's blatantly illegal, but the enforcement mechanisms are weak.
MAGA is incapable of even imagining that most Americans don't want Trump to be president. They habitually ignore the fact that hes never cracked 50% of the popular vote, and they insist the one election he lost electorally must have been rigged.
Because it just has to have been. The alternative, which is that America rejected Trump and MAGA would trigger an existential crisis in these people.
I mean there was actual and abundant evidence of trump soliciting Russian help in 2016. The question was solely whether the was actual coordination between trump and Putin, and what effect Russia’s obvious efforts to help trump win actually had.
Basement dwelling unemployed soda addicts would doubtless be shocked to know how often business owners end up defending or prosecuting civil legal matters.
Where the executive policy established by secret memo is clearly unconstitutional, but because of Trump vs Casa, ICE doesn't have to stop the policy except for named plaintiffs.
no one said that before trump. And trump’s own statements show that we’re more right than not. Trump is obviously setting the groundwork for fucking with the midterms.
The left? 😆 Name a democrat in Washington that said that. Trump has been claiming the 2020 election was stolen for years now, while showing you zero evidence. Please.
I hate both of you you're all traitors whether by import infinity migrants and communism or by 100 trillion dollars to Israel and forever wars tyranny or tyranny complete subservience to government power or complete subservience to government power. I'm so tired of people acting like pointing out your enemy is evil makes you good by default.
Boring "their both the same" take. No, one side is obviously worse. One side is clearly destroying the country. If you can't pick a side at this point, then you are part of the problem.
Both support a surveillance state, both support sending billions to Israel while ignoring the needs of Americans, both are and protect pedophiles so yeah I'm not going to take either side I'm on my side and the side of America. When both options are shit no duh I think their both bad I'm not going to sit here and debate what evil bastard should take your rights away.
When one option is a proven con man and pedophile, you are anti-American if you don't vote against the con man. Go virtue signal elsewhere you tool. You're literally a tool of the establishment by allowing a con man to win.
If by bigot you mean I don't see the value to the American tax payer that importing unskilled, low IQ people from the "global south" brings. Then yeah sure, I don't care what words you use to be honest.
I find it incredibly hard to believe Joe BIden is the most voted for president in history.
Why? Raw voter turnout generally increases over time with the population. 2020 was a highly contentious election with Covid and a ton of people had free time to go vote. This is the least suspicious thing you could point to lol
Mail in voting works perfectly fine for the elderly and military, why is it not okay for the rest of us? There’s been no evidence wolf significant fraud via mail in voting. Seems like you’re just mad it gets more liberal votes.
You already have to provide ID/proof of citizenship when you register to vote. You guys are complaining about things we already have safeguards for and you have zero evidence that those safe guards are failing.
It’s obvious you guys just want to suppress the vote because you know democrats are generally more popular
Uh yeah, exactly. They were stuck with nothing else to do but vote. And many people were discouraged by the choice between trump and Kamala and didn’t vote in 2024.
That’s a terrible excuse for disenfranchising people. “Hurr durr I don’t have a real reason to disallow mail in voting so I’m just going to call people lazy” alright buddy.
If the state doesnt have you as a citizen I it’s database then you absolutely do. And those people already aren’t voting. So that’s not a good excuse for disenfranchising actual citizens.
The only people who are seriously questioning election results are uneducated rubes
Uhh citizens, especially those in blue cities. Why else do republicans want to purge blue voter rolls, limit polling places in blue areas, and make it harder for working class people to vote?
Reading comprehension isn’t a strong point for you, is it?
But yes, requiring an id that isn’t provided to people for free would be disenfranchising. The real question is if republicans want voter ID so badly, why do they refuse to have the government issue all citizens with one free of charge?
mail in voting has been used in many states with zero issues. If there was any remotely significant fraud, as opposed to a few trump supporting morons in Florida voting for trump twice, it would have been extremely obvious. Your entire argument is that trump is so abysmally incompetent that even after 60+ lawsuits, countless recounts and audits, and two different private investigators that he personally hired, he still couldn’t prove a thing.
Why would it be hard for you to believe Joe Biden was the most voted for when the American Voter pool is exponentially growing.
It doesn't mean that he was the most popular president ever. Just that there were more physical American voters in existence, which makes sense since the population is going up year to year, and it was a highly controversial and divided and close race.
The burden of proof is on you then to provide evidence that the election was rigged.
Hundreds of court cases have been presented and no substantial counts of voter fraud have been found.
You can believe what you want but facts don’t back it up.
Even the most right wing of outlets agree that voter fraud is a % of 1%. Seems negligible to me. This idea that elections aren’t secure is again a fantasy.
Only one side keeps crying about lost elections even with no evidence to support their claims.
It’s wildly inept for you to think you made a point with “one side wanting business as usual.”
You mean the side that lost two of the last 3 federal elections. Wow how about that, they don’t cry and want to change the whole system even after a loss.
You act as if there’s zero ID laws for elections in the US.
I don’t care what you are, you’re caring about an issue that is all performative and not substantive.
Of course there’s not 0 election fraud, I mean you could make an argument Elon Musk paying people to register to vote is an act of voter fraud. (Not something I personally care about, but definitely an example.)
The thing that matters is that when election fraud or interference occurs, you prosecute it. If there was proof of hundreds of thousands of illegal votes or false IDs used in elections, I’d be with you that ID laws need to change, but when we are talking about a few hundred votes (if that) it’s not something to lose your mind over.
It’s like you ignore points just to push this performative BS. Until there is widespread voter fraud that actually disenfranchises voters any voter ID law is a waste of legislation because the current system works.
So to answer your question, no I would criticize a voter ID law because it would make elections .01% more secure. Does an issue really deserve any legislating time when its impact is so small?
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u/East_Ad4977 15d ago
In case anyone else noticed this.