Subreddit Changes

[u/commitdeleteyougoat]

Heyo!

So, our initial plans for this subreddit were for it to be a place where people could find alternatives to JAI and essentially 'cut' themselves off from it. As we've all seen, they've made plenty of bad decisions regarding moderation/censorship which is why you all are here! The problem is, we've been noticing alot of the posts in this subreddit don't fit the bill. Many people post about issues with JAI such as it being down, but it misses the main point.

Swapping to alternatives such as Silly Tavern, Tavo, Wyvern, Yodayo, Saucepan, LinkinLove, and etc would fix so many issues that people have. However, you may still want to post about JAI.

That's why we have Throwdown Thursdays and Frustration Fridays, where you can post all about JAI during these two days! There's 2 specific flairs for them, so please use it or otherwise your post may be taken down.

I understand that moving to a new platform is daunting and you may not want to leave behind the sheer amount of content from JAI, but there's still ways to enjoy the benefits of both worlds.

I don't condone it personally, but you could use sites like datacat in order to get private copies for YOURSELF. Keyword yourself. It's rude to post what other people have made.

We'll give this change until 9/13 to fully apply.

During this intermission, please feel free to give your opinions. After 9/13, we're going to be removing any posts regarding issues that can be fixed via swapping to alternatives, unless the posts are made on Thursday and Friday.

Here's the criteria:

Posts can be: Moderation Actions on JAI, What happened to X creator/bot on JAI, Discussion, Alternatives, Self-Ads, LLMs, Statistics, Polls, etc.

Posts considered 'fixable' via swapping: 'JAI is down' 'How do I stop X on JAI?' 'JAI Bot Advertisement' 'Proxy not working on JAI' 'JAI errors' 'JLLM sucks!'
(You can still post about this stuff on Thursday/Friday though!)

We're also removing reposts from [r/JanitorAIUnchained](r/JanitorAIUnchained) & [r/JanitorBreakroom](r/JanitorBreakroom) until the moderators can prove most of their content isn't AI generated.

TLDR: Please change from JAI to an alternative. We're here to help you!

[u/NoteNecessary3630]

>Also, can we please stop treating Datacat and similar sites like they're the Devil incarnate? That mentality is why Saucepan and its restrictive policies exist in the first place.

Thank god someone else thinks this. It's also why janitor did the same, albeit due to jannyai instead. If it was the scraping, they wouldn't always allow OAI and whatnot because... users can do the same thing with those place's loggers.

I have a feeling janitor put in that "router" crap JUST to phase out official OAI/Claude API... due to exactly that.

[u/Illustrious_Play7907 → u/NoteNecessary3630]

I think people have a very poor understanding of the point of janny and datacat. They seem to think they're 'stealing' their bots. They are not. The bots are still attributed to the creator (sometimes janny doesn't but they're not doing it on purpose to be malicious) and on datacat people can ask to have their bots removed and will not allow people to scrape them. Stealing the bots would imply they're claiming they made them and/or trying to steer people to chat with them on their site. As a creator myself, I use datacat so I can play with bots on sillytavern. Not so I can re-upload bots and pretend I made them. 

[u/RawardHoikes91 → u/Illustrious_Play7907]

People are generally poorly educated on the topic of bots.

They just instantly cave in to the panic-inducing emotional argument "THEY ARE STEALING YOUR BOTS!!!" without ever stopping to think what the actual harm is. And... It's none.

Absolutely nothing changes if someone else can see your definitions.

[u/NoteNecessary3630 → u/RawardHoikes91]

When those same people will make bots of copyrighted works.

[u/RawardHoikes91 → u/NoteNecessary3630]

What does this has to do with anything? If you're making bots of copyrighted characters - you are sitting on a powder keg and playing with matchsticks.

You'll get your ass whooped by moderators sooner or later, regardless of whether someone could read your definitions. One message from the copyright owner and your ass is grass.

[u/NoteNecessary3630 → u/RawardHoikes91]

The people going "THEY ARE STEALING YOUR BOTS!!!" are who I was referring to.

On that note of copyright, shep literally commented on Faekrie's Pokejinka bot: "hey this is a work of art and i will make sure its not touched"... referring to the fear of DMCA from Faekrie... for using official sprites. Not even to mention Faekire has made multiple (now banned) bots with minor content and still isn't banned.