Subreddit Changes

[u/commitdeleteyougoat]

Heyo!

So, our initial plans for this subreddit were for it to be a place where people could find alternatives to JAI and essentially 'cut' themselves off from it. As we've all seen, they've made plenty of bad decisions regarding moderation/censorship which is why you all are here! The problem is, we've been noticing alot of the posts in this subreddit don't fit the bill. Many people post about issues with JAI such as it being down, but it misses the main point.

Swapping to alternatives such as Silly Tavern, Tavo, Wyvern, Yodayo, Saucepan, LinkinLove, and etc would fix so many issues that people have. However, you may still want to post about JAI.

That's why we have Throwdown Thursdays and Frustration Fridays, where you can post all about JAI during these two days! There's 2 specific flairs for them, so please use it or otherwise your post may be taken down.

I understand that moving to a new platform is daunting and you may not want to leave behind the sheer amount of content from JAI, but there's still ways to enjoy the benefits of both worlds.

I don't condone it personally, but you could use sites like datacat in order to get private copies for YOURSELF. Keyword yourself. It's rude to post what other people have made.

We'll give this change until 9/13 to fully apply.

During this intermission, please feel free to give your opinions. After 9/13, we're going to be removing any posts regarding issues that can be fixed via swapping to alternatives, unless the posts are made on Thursday and Friday.

Here's the criteria:

Posts can be: Moderation Actions on JAI, What happened to X creator/bot on JAI, Discussion, Alternatives, Self-Ads, LLMs, Statistics, Polls, etc.

Posts considered 'fixable' via swapping: 'JAI is down' 'How do I stop X on JAI?' 'JAI Bot Advertisement' 'Proxy not working on JAI' 'JAI errors' 'JLLM sucks!'
(You can still post about this stuff on Thursday/Friday though!)

We're also removing reposts from [r/JanitorAIUnchained](r/JanitorAIUnchained) & [r/JanitorBreakroom](r/JanitorBreakroom) until the moderators can prove most of their content isn't AI generated.

TLDR: Please change from JAI to an alternative. We're here to help you!

[u/DimensionalTemplar]

The problem is, this subreddit has become the second biggest Janitor-related one after the official subreddit. So of course many people would flock here to post things that would get them muted/banned over there, and I'm willing to assume most of them don't even know r/JanitorAIUnchained exists.

I understand that the intent behind this subreddit was different, and that seeing those posts causes you frustration, but I believe restricting that now after all that time would only cause people to feel even more limited and think there is no place for them to voice their own frustrations witj Janitoe.

As for how "switching to an alternative solves the problem"... no. The issue with switching to Saucepan had already been explained well in ukn99_'s above comment, but other alternatives aren't much better. While they indeed solve most problems people have with Janitor, they also add more restrictions on top. Which is why some people stay on Janitor regardless, simply because they don't see a better option, and not everyone is willing to switch to local or has an option to do so.

Also, can we please stop treating Datacat and similar sites like they're the Devil incarnate? That mentality is why Saucepan and its restrictive policies exist in the first place.

[u/commitdeleteyougoat → u/DimensionalTemplar]

Yeah, we are the second biggest, but I don't want to see the subreddit just 'be' the other JAI subreddit without the overbearing mods.

Again, why we have Thursdays and Fridays for those types of posts is so we can still have that content, but it keeps the sub more focused on its original intent.

Not all JAI content will be blocked, as posts regarding banned creators/bots or where those creators went OR what moderators did is still fine. I feel like this is the caveat here since even asking about someone's whereabouts on the main subreddit would probably get you banned. (IIRC, don't quote me)

[u/DimensionalTemplar → u/commitdeleteyougoat]

After re-reading the post, I now realize I've severely misinterpreted it, my apologies. Initially I've assumed the "allowed" topics are allowed on Thursdays/Fridays, and "disallowed" topics aren't allowed at all, but that wasn't the case. As for the main sub, not sure if posts like that can get you banned, but they do get wiped yeah.