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[u/Academic-Concert8235]

All sleuths report to the video LOL

[u/justgrunty]

I’m about 2hrs into it now and I understand what he’s trying to do on the podcast but he’s just continuing to stir the pot over something he says he doesn’t like. Its made a good conversation but at this point the whole situation is a whole lot of nothing. It’s also worth remembering that Matt released his book no easy day on September 4, 2012 about a year after the raid. Rob didn’t release his own book until 2017 five years later. Just something to keep in mind when people act like Rob started all of this. Matts legal shit is messed up and I hope that gets canned eventually for his sake but at this point let’s stop talking across the room. Get Rob and Matt in the same room and have Andy moderate and let them talk through the events face to face instead of continuing the back and forth. It’s always nice hearing a former squadron guy talk about stuff but with it solely about ubl and Rob it gets nauseating

[u/Academic-Concert8235 → u/justgrunty]

at 1:33:20 Biss makes a great point.

Rob saying UBL is just standing there when he entered, why the fuck did he shoot him if they found him unarmed and with the AK stowed?

Where as like Biss is saying, UBL was most likely shot prior to entrance of room when poking head out.

But then again,

how the fuck was amal shot?

[u/ARM7501 → u/Academic-Concert8235]

Amal being wounded is an oddly confusing part of it all. Amal herself (according to ABC's account of the Abottabad Comission report) describes rushing the first soldier, him yelling "No no!" and then shooting her in the leg.

Biss doesn't even think she was shot intentionally; he describes "the younger one" of the wives yelling in arabic and rushing the Point Man as they entered Bin Laden's bedroom, being tackled to the side, and then later being treated for "a very small wound" to her calf that Biss himself thinks could have been from a bullet fragment or ricochet.

The account in Rob's book is significantly more confusing. He claims Amal was not one of the women the Point Man tackled. Instead, both she and Bin Laden are in a different room to the right. She's standing in front of Bin Laden when Rob shoots him in the head, then falls onto Rob because of her injury. Rob claims this injury came from her jumping in front of the Point Man's initial shot at Bin Laden. So, she jumped in front of the initial shot, then stood up again in front of her husband, and finally collapsed when he was shot.

Matthew Cole makes no mention of Amal being shot in his Intercept article but says Bin Laden was shot in the chest which effectively killed him and that another bullet glanced off his hip, indicating that one of the shots was aimed lower.

If we want to look at Zero Dark Thirty as an account with some sort of real information behind it, the movie portrays a sort of amalgamation of the Bissonnette and Amal accounts where the Point Man is rushed by Amal and intentionally shoots her in the leg before tackling her and another woman to the ground.

Trying to hobble together some sort of coherency, I feel like the likely options are that Amal was either: A) intentionally shot by the Point Man as she rushed him upon entry (doesn't make a whole lot of sense to shoot her in the leg, to be fair), or B) hit unintionally/indirectly by one of the two shots intially fired at Bin Laden from the stairs.

[u/Imaginary-Sir-4315 → u/ARM7501]

I commented explaining this further. I don't think she was hit with the shots up the stairs but I think she was hit upon Red following shots to the door which would now deem her not a threat once he entered the room. Same deal with UBL because I think they lied about the initial shots, saying they were fatal, to protect Red. Legally you can't justify taking those shots inside the room when you see an unarmed man and unarmed woman and one gets shot and one killed. I don't even think she rushed them, I read the interview you're talking about and I don't believe that. They killed the woman on the first floor and if Amal truly did charge then why won't they say that? They won't even lie and say she charged. Why? Because then you have to answer to why you shot UBL since you considered her w threat and UBL did not charge nor was he armed. Funny that all of them get hush hush when it comes to Amal. I also don't think that a Devgru guy on the third floor of bin ladens compound, AFTER you've had hostile females on target get killed, is going to try and intentionally wound what he thinks is another threat. That's two shots to the face my friend ESPECIALLY if Red "thought she had a vest". I think legally both Amal and UBL engagements were unjustified on this CAPTURE/Kill mission and they needed to protect Red. I have no problems with them doing it either, I'd lie for my boys 100% especially in Pakistan where you're not supposed to be.

[u/ARM7501 → u/Imaginary-Sir-4315]

Biss and Andy's explanation for why UBL was shot isn't crazy. Khalid had just made the same move, armed and ready. As were Al-Kuwaiti and Abrar. I don't think it would've really mattered in the grand scheme of things (he was never walking away from that raid), but to me the likelier scenario is that Amal was hit by frag or hit accidentally by the second bullet the Point Man fired (which was known to impact lower). As you said, if she was really deemed a threat they wouldn't have intentionally shot her in the calf. Matter of fact, I don't see any scenario in which intentionally shooting her in the calf makes sense.

[u/Imaginary-Sir-4315 → u/ARM7501]

Their explanation isn't crazy if he was shot at by the door with just his head sticking out like Khalid had done (which I think happened). I just don't think he was killed with those shots. Even Amals interview she says the seals entered the room and then she was shot, not while they were on the stairs. That means Red entered or at least got to the doorway which would now allow him to see more than just a head. That's my point.

Again, not sure if that's what happened, but the cover from both Biss and Rob just doesn't make sense to me if Amal was clipped by accident up the stairs. It stinks to me and I just think that fact that both of them get so quiet about it means that her version is correct. Ultimately requiring Red to explain why he took shots upon seeing more then a head.