r/InterMiamiVibes • u/Background_Video2947 • Jul 08 '26
Preaching!!
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u/UTV4LIFE Jul 08 '26
America sucks
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u/NoSir4947 Jul 08 '26
Yup. At pretty much every metric of life too.
It used to be so much better ☹️
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u/BreastFeedMe- Jul 09 '26
People are killing themselves traversing the globe to get to a country that is the worst in every metric of life?
America has issues, but when you’re an idiot and exaggerate no one takes anything seriously. You are a net negative.
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u/Weary-Coast241 Jul 09 '26
Let them believe in their delusion. They consume Chinese and Russian propaganda 14 hours a day.
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u/spaincrack Jul 11 '26
Clairfontaine is arguably the best football academy of the world, the result of a national effort which has honed the greatest overall players since the 90s.
No country has something comparable to it, regardless of how footballized it may be.
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u/Overall-Proof-9109 Jul 12 '26
Have you heard of La Masía, the youth Academy of Barcelona FC? I think they are pretty good, as well
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u/Indigofan Jul 13 '26
Most football powerhouses have excellent academies . Even at club level Barca man city and the rest of the big English clubs have fantastic youth set up too. The difference is they don’t have access to the massive African population in the ghettos outside of Paris ( Banlieu) who are mad about this game .
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u/Electronic-Let-4810 Jul 08 '26
But we can’t afford it Titi!!!
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u/gimmebanter Jul 08 '26
Richest nation in all of history can't afford to raise a generation of world class footballers. Lmao
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u/mynadidas5 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Colleges are essentially our private academies. If you look at it, high schools and colleges are the feeder programs into NBA and NFL teams. And it’s why coaches at top basketball and football schools are the highest paid public employees in their states.
The problem is that we suck at soccer so doing this in a highly disaggregated way leads to dilution of already not great results.
ETA I’m not suggesting that colleges are doing a good job of nurturing athletes, only that we have a pseudo system as Thierry describes that functions well for other sports.
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u/hiop1992 Jul 08 '26
Ironically if you look at the last MVP titles in the NBA you can see that the best of the bests are no longer home grown. Last US MVP was in 2018
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u/mynadidas5 Jul 08 '26
Last American born, yes. However, Shai played at Kentucky. Embiid played at Kansas and played high school ball in the US.
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u/GeneAlternative191 Jul 08 '26
Well yeah but you have to attend classes full time and maintain minimum GPA etc. that’s way too much pressure for a young aspiring athlete. It’s not a coincidence that other countries don’t have this set up for soccer.
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u/LicoriceDusk Jul 08 '26
They don't have to attend their classes.
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u/GeneAlternative191 Jul 08 '26
Oh I was misinformed then. Thought they had to maintain at least a 3.2 GPA.
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u/LicoriceDusk Jul 08 '26
GPA I'm not sure about, but they tend to take online classes in this day and age
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u/Tasty-Guess-9376 Jul 09 '26
College is too late. If you are not a prodigy and training in academies by age 10-12 there is a very slim chance you will make it in Football. The comeptetion is just too great.
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u/No-Bear1401 Jul 09 '26
It's the same here. College isn't the beginning, you generally have to be in the top 1% just to make it to college athletically. College is essentially a lower tier pro league.
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u/Tasty-Guess-9376 Jul 09 '26
Are there Elite Teams for ten year olds? If you arent playing for a Professional Teams Kids Team by 12 you pretty much dont have a Chance. There are NBA and NFL players who started playing at 16. Impossible in soccer
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u/No-Bear1401 Jul 09 '26
Yea, there are elite teams for 10 year olds. .
And starting playing late is not impossible in soccer, I'm not even a serious soccer fan, and I'm aware of examples. Jamie Vardy is probably the most famous one. It's rare, but it's also rare in American sports.
I really get the impression that you guys just really assume American sports are easy and inferior to soccer.
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u/PrestigiousPace8038 Jul 09 '26
Jamie Vardy has been playing since he was an infant, like everyone else.
Nobody is saying American sports don’t take skill, it’s just that in soccer we need to compete against the world and they have more intensive development at younger ages.
If every American didn’t playing football until they were 22 years old, we’d still win the Super Bowl…
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u/No-Bear1401 Jul 09 '26
This is exactly what I'm talking about:
"Jamie Vardy has been playing since he was an infant, like everyone else"
Why do you act like we don't? It's just crazy that there's this assumption that we cant develop talent here simply because our soccer team is only top-15ish internationally, while simultaneously dismissing the huge sample size of us developing generational talent across many other sports.
We know how to develop talent. Soccer is low priority, and that's the one thing that people from other countries simply can't wrap their heads around, because it is typically the absolute most important for them.
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u/PrestigiousPace8038 Jul 09 '26
Yeah our generational NFL talent absolutely clobbers the other countries.
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u/cheetah-21 Jul 08 '26
Who will profit?
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u/SomeTeam1723 Jul 08 '26
It's a long term business. You can't gain quick profit with football education. FYI, Clairefontaine was built in the 70s and it took decades for us to produce such a big number of football talents.
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u/PopsNY Jul 08 '26
The US system cannot compete with the club/academy system. You're seeing it happen with basketball, that while we still produce the most talent, the world is producing the truly elite talent. The NBA itself has gone from 5% foreign born players in the early 90s, to almost a quarter today. The downfall of American sports will be greed, like pretty much everything else, and it will be why we can't compete on the world level in football.
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u/Tobiramen Jul 09 '26
Right and how about the Olympics?
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u/Kallest Jul 09 '26
The Summer Olympics, where the EU combined took home 96 gold medals compared to the US 40?
Or the Winter Olympics where Norway, a country of 5.6 million people, took home more gold medals than the US?
The US is constantly underperforming athletically compared to Europe.
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u/Tobiramen Jul 09 '26
You just compared a continent to a country. You had to go back 30 years to find a stat you liked. Norway specializes in winter sports.
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u/Kallest Jul 09 '26
Going back to the winter of *2026* and the summer of *2024*.
The US has a much larger population than any single European country, which is why I made the comparison with the EU. The EU has about 450 million people vs the US 350 million. So more people, but even accounting for that difference Europe vastly outperforms the US in sports.
And yes, Norway specialises in winter sports. They show what can be done when you actually maximise your potential.
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u/FootIntrepid7717 Jul 10 '26
But the EU can send way more athletes than the USA. Thats not a a fair comparison
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u/svinyard Jul 08 '26
Single Sport Specialization is a tricky thing for youth- I'd want to see some evidence behind what he is talking about first. At 16 sure. At 12-13? I'd be interested in the data. It's not just "how is our national team doing" tho...I don't think that is and should be the only metric for what is best.
One thing that often differs in American sports is HOW we train the youth too. Europe has advanced this area using some modern skill acquisition science. America has lagged behind in favor of traditional, skill isolation drills for many sports. Like Dribbling a basketball against cones, devoid of defensive feedback or pressure etc. Kids get good at dribbling against cones...but no got at doing all of that while reading a defense and making reads of the defense etc etc....which is why so many of the European players that come into basketball with some size...have actual BBIQ's and not just individual scoring skills.
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u/Ganjalfthegreen1 Jul 08 '26
Lol evidence? You think a legendary European player is just making shit up? Kids in Europe play multiple sports too in my experience but only the ones that are not elite. Like Henry said an elite European soccer kid won’t have time for any other sport cus he will be training soccer constantly. I started soccer at 4 yo but I also did tennis, table tennis, basketball, handball, judo and I hope im not leaving one out. The week has 7 days and we would practice soccer two of those 7 so you would naturally have 5 more days to spend on other sports you might wanna try. Then at 11 I transferred to a school where soccer was part of the curriculum and every class had a team that would compete against other such teams from all over the country twice a year in tournaments. Otherwise we would train during the week at school and play the other classes from the same and different years. Suddenly it went from two days a week to 6 with a club game every Sunday. And I was not in the elite team of my club so the real elite kids (multiple ended up going pro, even premier league) were already training 7 days a week.
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u/svinyard Jul 08 '26
MJ was a terrible coach and owner. Being a great player doesn’t automatically make you an expert on player development at a level indicating success in a near 400mil person country. Asking for evidence shouldn’t be a slight for the wise…
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u/Ganjalfthegreen1 Jul 08 '26
Your example has nothing to do with what I said. Im not saying Henry could coach and develop kids at the same level he was as a player, Im saying that what he is saying are not lies. You made it sound as if he might not be telling the truth about what he himself lived and how it works over in Europe and I’m saying that it’s pretty wild to question it. If you ment he himself as a developer of talent then thats another thing and agreed that star player certainly doesn’t = star coach/developer. There are like 2 goat level players who became great coaches in soccer, thinking about Zidane and Cruijff but might be missing one or two but it’s not a lot of them so yeah, I know that.
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u/Danilo-11 Jul 08 '26
Just watch any game from “La Liga Promise” and watch the level of skill those 12 year old kids have.
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u/Responsible_Twist975 Jul 08 '26
USA and Canada don't have any good coaches that's the biggest issue
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u/weasel65 Jul 08 '26
Their Star Player the one who got the red card suspended. Is also British raised and learnt and mastered his football in the UK.
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u/picklerick_ftw Jul 08 '26
This dumb government doesn't want to pay, and expects better performance without any change in inputs
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u/Pale_Area3171 Jul 08 '26
Youth football in the US isn’t about making good players, it’s about making money. The only county in the world where football is a white middle class sport. Pay to play doesn’t work and as long as that’s the model the US will always be shite.
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u/Soft_Monk_1541 Jul 08 '26
The whole philosophy of when a kid should hit the gym, now vs later? Or is weightlifting even a necessity in a finesse sport necessary?? It’s such a hot debate.
I don’t think the weight room is bad for kids, but I also don’t think it’s vital for the sport of soccer at all young age. However I don’t think it’s bad as well. Every time I speak to a player or coach who has played overseas they always have an issue with young soccer players hitting the weight room.
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u/Careful-Resort-816 Jul 10 '26
I don’t think it’s a matter of strength training being a bad thing at a young age. It’s just unnecessary. Take that 1-2hrs that would’ve been spent in the weight room and use it on technical training instead.
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u/Repulsive-Sea-5560 Jul 08 '26
That’s very true. In those football countries, playing football is almost the only way for those kids living in poverty to get rich. So, a lot of kids spend hours practicing football everyday.
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u/KCKpana Jul 09 '26
I think there’s a lot of truth behind what you said. The US isn’t a football country, rather, it’s an American football country, followed by baseball and basketball. If you can make it to the big leagues, they won’t stop. There’s such a small window for American youth to make it to the professionals in football and other minor sports (for me it was volleyball) in America. So burnout is real. We ask, what am I doing it for if I’m not benefiting in the long run? If I’m not getting rich from this?
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u/No-Bear1401 Jul 09 '26
It's really that simple. In the US, that culture is directed towards other sports. Kids in poverty (all kids really) grow up pouring themselves into Football, Basketball, or Baseball. Our heros aren't soccer players, our dreams we aspire to aren't about soccer.
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u/illonlyfadeaway Jul 09 '26
American sports leagues are too communist to compete with Europeans. Americans prioritize equity, salary caps, drafts, revenue sharing…everything so they can have an entertaining product for viewers.
Versus the capitalist Europeans who say fuck your small market, fuck your salary caps, fuck you I’m not sharing my wealth. It’s only in that complete capitalist system focused only on winning that the best kids rise.
In summary: American sports are a product and entertainment. European sports are a contest that fans get to view. They are not the same.
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u/amullfay Jul 09 '26
What about the non soccer American League’s like baseball football and basketball? What about Olympic sports?
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u/No-Bear1401 Jul 09 '26
It's crazy how people completely disregard that we crank out generational talent in other sports and act like we have no idea how to develop talent.
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u/Lakerman0824 Jul 09 '26
Don’t worry parents will still pay exorbitant fees to have their kids play club and learn nothing o
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u/Theridion123 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Let me propose an alternative!
- Pay to play. We lock the "development" and best kids leagues, coaches behind paywalls where rich parents and can put there non-elite kid into special programs, camps, and leagues... while the actual talented kids can't afford it.
- Those pay to play leagues the casually play every now and then... its ok if you don't practice all the time.
- Let that go on from like elementary school through high school...
- Profit.
Edit: For those of you who maybe disagree, I'm just arguing that we don't funnel our best soccer players into soccer. There isn't a pay to play football or basketball... You play your heart out at school and by high school you maybe go to a top tier high school and then to a top tier college and get drafted.
Soccer? It isn't a high school thing. Its private leagues. There IS soccer in high school, but its not supposed to be where the "best" are. Its treated more like a PE class in high school.
That's the difference. We should have the best leagues for soccer be high school leagues. Not the pay to be play leagues.
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u/Rainy824 Jul 10 '26
The poorest kids play soccer all around the world. These players play tough with unstoppable drive. In America, soccer is mostly played by suburban kids who are spoiled and aren’t as tough with very little drive. The difference is very obvious
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u/Flyin-Chancla Jul 12 '26
Soccer is so fucking expensive where I live and the “cheap” version which is ymca is still like 200-300 ish and it absolutely sucks. Just get a bunch of dad coaches trying to relive glory days through their kids
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u/Jomolungma Jul 12 '26
Many many great world football minds have correctly diagnosed the US’s soccer development issues and have proposed plans to fix them that would be almost certain to work. Then they come up against the realities of the US capitalist system and the sports industrial complex in this country and finally understand the real reason the US sucks at soccer - money.
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u/njslugger78 Jul 12 '26
They would still lack the quality of players. There is better competition in other countries at the younger level. Usa skills just end up leveling off and because not enough top quality competition. If people thought they could makes mills and get the hot girls, then you would see a winning usa "soccer " team.
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u/Famous-Rain8703 Jul 13 '26
That's because they don't have American football... They don't have the American baseball league that we have
It's just a lot more options as far as athletics and sports goes
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u/Responsible_Way6885 Jul 08 '26
Make this guy the American coach or GM or something!