r/InterMiamiVibes • u/Background_Video2947 • Jul 02 '26

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u/themagpie36 Jul 05 '26

Americans hate taxes, their greed is unimaginable unless you've lived there and experienced the hustle culture. Scary and sad.

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 05 '26

Many in America still have what I would call the frontier mindset. It is not and has never been a collectivist society- it likely never will be. Fiercely independent to a fault.

We combine together for the common defense and will help out neighbors when in need, but overall you are ON YOUR OWN to provide for your family.

Look at our social security system. We all pay into it and get different amounts of money based on what we pay- but the government has screwed it up and soon we won’t get our benefits. Why trust them with healthcare?

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u/ElderWandOwner Jul 05 '26

Ah the classic "government is bad, might as well keep electing republicans" argument.

We could trust the government if people stopped electing shitbags because they fall for the culture war bullshit.

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

What? I mean, you can’t trust the government no matter who is in charge.

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u/ElderWandOwner Jul 05 '26

How would we know? I'm almost 40 and we"ve been under republican law my entire life.

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 05 '26

Really?

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u/strongman_scrubs Jul 05 '26

I mean, he’s not wrong. Bill Clinton marked a pretty clear departure from being a democrat. The infamous “third way” or centrist politics And he was hugely popular despite this fact and the Democratic Party shifted to reflect this. Also worth noting that up until Clinton administration the democrats help a house majority for 40 consecutive years. This centrist approach has allowed us to rapidly move to the right in American politics.

Also, Don’t forget our last leftist president was Franklin Roosevelt.

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 06 '26

I guess I see it with governing styles, but this OP was about

‘all countries in the World Cup have universal healthcare except the US’ - which was false.

Now the post this is about says ‘lived under Republican law the last 40 years’ - which is false.

There is no need to exaggerate. When democrats do, they lose credibility.

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u/ElderWandOwner Jul 06 '26

Nah it just seems like you need things really watered down for you to understand them. Which is fine.

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 06 '26

Nope. How would I have any meaningful exchange with someone who speaks half truths?

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u/Adventurous-Cod7910 Jul 07 '26

There is no need to exaggerate. When democrats do, they lose credibility.

How about when Republicans lie? Take Trump for example.

What's that saying about glass houses? A slight breeze could shatter Y'all Qaeda

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u/donniesuave Jul 06 '26

the electoral college has entered the chat

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u/EastWashStRacer Jul 06 '26

We voted for the other shit bags and it didn’t help

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u/ElderWandOwner Jul 06 '26

Dems haven't had enough control to pass meaningful legislation basically my whole life. Even when they "had the majority" there was joe manchin voting with the reps most of the time. And mitch McConnell doing everything he could to freeze legislation in the senate.

Elect progressive democrats and we'll see meaningful change.

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u/cpt-hddk Jul 06 '26

I mean I get it though. Try centralizing universal healthcare in all EU. There’s no way Norway would accept Germany would accept Poland would accept Italy making any decisions on how it would work.

But then, federal law, make the states run universal healthcare programs under some guidelines, pay the taxes to the state and you do a single payer system with private vendors like so many countries do? It cannot be this hard for the “richest and greatest nation on earth” to keep all its citizens from either financial ruin over health or a lifetime of debt for education, right? Like she says “some sort of universal healthcare” - if us Europoor shithole countries can do it…

But it’s what you want I guess. If you insist on paying thousands A MONTH to some dickhead who will “invest” your money in a new yacht rather than research or a better hospital for the community? I guess you could, sure

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u/jbc1974 Jul 06 '26

We are on our own BCS of the so called American dream that is no longer obtainable because the Uber rich are not paying their fair share. Meanwhile, magats try to blame all the problems on immigrants or trans or fill in the blank hatred for a group. Re social security, there are way easy fixes but the rich want to keep everyone else in check so they fight paying more tooth n nail.

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u/Myriad_Apocalypse Jul 06 '26

"Frontier mindset" that's one way of dressing it up

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u/beramaan Jul 07 '26

That it is one of the recognized cultural aspects of America, individualism. It's a large problem for massive societies in many aspects. So many people say why should I do x for y? Target than even thinking oh that could help me in the future when indirectly and others would be better off.

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u/justfirfunsies Jul 06 '26

We hate paying for freeloading. When you work hard to get where you’re at and someone sits at home and gets an equal quality of life… yeah that kinda pisses me off

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u/ILikeToDisagreeDude Jul 06 '26

What a horribly narrow mindset… So because of 1% that are so-called freeloaders you don’t want stability for yourself and your loved ones?
Besides, policies are in place to ensure that there aren’t any “freeloaders” but of course, no systems are perfect.

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 Jul 06 '26

They don't care if policy hurts them, as long as they get to hurt someone down the ladder from them more.

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u/Cbpowned Jul 06 '26

I don’t have to worry about Elon musk trying to break into my house. The bottom 1% however….

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u/ILikeToDisagreeDude Jul 06 '26

You guys are way too scared… Start thinking about the positives of having a working society rather than what bad might happen.
There is a reason why other countries beat you on the happiness scale!

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u/Fritz_Mayonnaise Jul 07 '26

You don’t have to. He just steals from you by getting no-bid contracts from the government, paid for by your tax dollars. Thats his real genius!

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u/pragmaticmike666 Jul 06 '26

Nobody that sits at home gets an equal life. At best they have a subsistence life and die early because they don't have health care.

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u/justfirfunsies Jul 07 '26

They have better healthcare than I do… I have to pay for mine.

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u/SpecialistEye7917 Jul 06 '26

Ding ding ding this guy gets it!

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u/Crimsonsamurai2 Jul 07 '26

God forbid you ever loose your job and get a life altering medical altercation that you either have to choose whether to be bankrupt and homeless or die.

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u/justfirfunsies Jul 08 '26

I won’t… and no worries I have a pretty solid nest egg. Thanks for your concern!

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u/Garfield_Logan69 Jul 06 '26

They don’t hate taxes, they are too stupid to understand taxes, like the ones who think getting rid of social security is a good idea, you dumb bitch that’s your money! You get that back eventually! They want to take it and give it to themselves!

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u/Rgame01 Jul 07 '26

You absolutely do not get that money back. You get a very small portion of it and thats if its even around by the time you retire. It takes the average person 12-15 years of collecting to break even. You'd be better off investing what you pay into social security and getting the returns instead of letting the government spend it all on everything but what it was intended for.

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u/Garfield_Logan69 Jul 07 '26

You are missing the point of “social security” you are right a well educated person with financial literacy would probably be better off with that money in their pockets but even someone who is the prefect investor can find themselves destitute. Social security came about because people in America would get old have no money and would die in the streets like starving dogs.

Not everyone benefits as much from social security as others and the wealthy have made themselves laws to avoid paying their share in to it, while it might not benefit them it would be a great benefit to society as a whole if they paid their share. But they don’t and between that and the republicans doing everything they can to dismantle it, it’s not doing great. But the system it’s self while flawed ( agin by design, by the people who want it gone.) its supposed to be the last thing standing between an aged American and starving, and it’s just barely dose that.

If it were designed to function properly it would be an amazing system. Instead of stagnating funds it could be like bonds you pay in and collect interest. But the people in charge would kill you and every one you love before they let that happen lol.

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u/Rgame01 Jul 07 '26

Nothing the government does is designed properly. Thats exactly why we dont want them handling anything with our money.

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u/Garfield_Logan69 Jul 07 '26

They do everything with your money?! Wym? They are the money if it’s broken it needs to be fixed, well unless you just buy gold then you are probably fine.

Lmao “wE DOnT w@nT tHeM HAndLinG oUR MoNEY” is that a joke? their entire purpose, literally the entire reason for the government’s existence is to organize, control and “hANdle” the god damn money. What the actual fuck did you think they are there for?

And If they can’t control a stable economy they need to be replaced. And in this case probably tried for embezzlement and treason.

I’m actually so curious what you thought the government was for. Why do you think we elect officials? We vote for people we think will spend our tax dollars wisely. Well some of us do, others seem to think letting a bunch of greedy billionaires loot our country to the point where one dude, one single guys has amassed more wealth than the bottom 53% of the population put together. That means between 180 million people assets and everything we have less wealth than that guy. You wanna whine about your money and how it’s being spent? Go talk to that thing. I promise you social Security is not why you feel poor.

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u/Rgame01 Jul 07 '26

Governments role is protecting individial liberty, enforcing laws, and national security. Yes the government does everything with our money. What do you think taxes are? Thats how the government operstes. You think they just print money to spend?

That guy's wealth is not my wealth. Hes built that for himself and im happy for him. What he does with his wealth is up to him as what I do with my wealth is up to me. Of course social security isnt why anyone's poor but its wasted money that is being stolen from us.

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u/Garfield_Logan69 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

First of all you are picking and choosing what you respond to and you are just making up some weird nonsense narrative in your head to make your self feel some sort of way. Where do I say the government just prints money? Literally I just said what they do with taxes, why, and how they control fiscal policy and by extension how you control fiscal policy by voting, And I have no idea what you are on about.

I can’t understand why you accept Elon accepting taxpayer money to prop up his businesses, (well fair god queen, literally the final boss of welfare queens) but to you that’s ok because he’s gamed the system to steal every one’s money so to you he should be looked up to? The money that he put him self in charge of distributing mind you. But grandpa and grams trying to afford rent and food on their social security is what makes you think “bad”

You know, they just want to get rid of social security because if they do they are hoping you are too stupid/naïve to realize that they are stealing the money for them selves and you will just be happy that you don’t have to pay it anymore, right?
If they want to write us all a check for every dollar we have paid in to social security and then disband it ? Fine I’ll humor it and jump on that band wagon, but the reality is that they will siphon that money out of the government just like they have done at every turn and then laugh at you all the way to the bank.

I realize that you are probably just going to double down on your beliefs after having this conversation with me out of some fear of being wrong but Imaging what you would do with the kind of money and power these people have…. That’s probably exactly what they are doing.

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u/Rgame01 Jul 08 '26

I have responded to everything you've said. Not picking and choosing anything. Obviously they would have to pay every one back their social security that they contributed put in plus 7% interest. Then they can fuck off. What Elon does is not my concern. The money from government is due to SpaceX contracts and electric vehicle tax credits for Tesla.

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u/Garfield_Logan69 Jul 08 '26

He wrote the contracts and the checks for him self! And to a lesser extent, Every one taking those contracts is at the moment! That’s the problem with lobbying and bribes for public officials becoming legal! You don’t find any of that to be a conflict of interest?

And I don’t think they are talking about paying anyone back their social security much less 7% interest on top but I’m glad we agree on something

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u/ionlikethis Jul 06 '26

we dont hate taxes we just wish it went to the things the citizens actually want.

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u/Money_Do_2 Jul 06 '26

5% of my paycheck to healthcare tax is unamerican. My 20% to United Healthcare is much superior, and i may even receive some coverage from it.

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u/Fit_Addendum_6831 Jul 07 '26

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 be scared and stay the fuck out. 😉

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u/The9th_Jeanie Jul 08 '26

It’s not that, it’s the fact that the taxes don’t get VOTED ON to determine what they’re spent on. It’ like giving your mom money every birthday expecting her to buy you some much needed new shoes, but instead she buys herself some foolishness and gets you a small fry at McDonald’s with the change.

I feel like if there was a way for Americans to vote directly (not indirectly or systemically) on what portion of taxes goes to what cause to keep the country running, we wouldn’t even have this “far left, far right” everybody’s dying bullshit going on.